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Clinton Begin | 6 Feb 2005 21:00
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Re: SVN Import ... Please help us graduate ...

Thank Noel, for getting this done.  

Ted's been a great mentor and did make the point to us a couple of
times.  We were in a tight spot with having two completely separate
repositories with different tools.  Furthermore, it was by far the
most disruptive part of the move.  Ted would have had a hard time
convincing us (especially me) to make such a committment before we had
felt out the Apache incubator and the process.

Moving to Apache is a big decision for an independent OSS project, and
the code is all we have as a community.  Thus we had protected it for
the sake of our community, just as Apache will now.

Regardless, we appreciate the criticality of having our code within
the Apache infrastructure and in hindsight should have done it much
sooner, if not first.  I just didn't want Ted to take the heat for
that.

Best regards,

Clinton Begin  

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> Ted,
> 
> I've loaded the SVN dump into the test repository, and we can make it live
> as soon as everyone agrees is it OK.
> 
> I appreciate your comments, but I am also very much concerned about setting
> a precedent that it is OK to use non-ASF resources for critical
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Noel J. Bergman | 6 Feb 2005 21:24

RE: SVN Import ... Please help us graduate ...

Clinton,

I'm sure that Ted has been great.  :-)  Ted had first posted about migrating
the SVN repository on October 28th.  Are you saying that the project wasn't
ready to move the repository at that time?

Although I do appreciate that moving to the ASF is a big decision, it is one
that has been made by many others, e.g., Beehive, Derby, Graffito,
JackRabbit, LDAPd, MyFaces, SpamAssassin, XMLBeans, etc.

Regardless, that is past now, and we agree on the importance of moving it
into the ASF Infrastructure.  At this point, I need confirmation that the
SVN import into the test repository is acceptable, so that I can re-do it in
the live repository.

	--- Noel
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Clinton Begin | 7 Feb 2005 03:49
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Re: SVN Import ... Please help us graduate ...

Alright, as far as I can tell the Java and site modules of the import
looks fantastic.  Once Ted, Gilles or Roberto confirm that the .NET
module is working as expected, it should all be a go.

Cheers,
Clinton

On Sun, 6 Feb 2005 15:24:34 -0500, Noel J. Bergman <noel <at> devtech.com> wrote:
> Clinton,
> 
> I'm sure that Ted has been great.  :-)  Ted had first posted about migrating
> the SVN repository on October 28th.  Are you saying that the project wasn't
> ready to move the repository at that time?
> 
> Although I do appreciate that moving to the ASF is a big decision, it is one
> that has been made by many others, e.g., Beehive, Derby, Graffito,
> JackRabbit, LDAPd, MyFaces, SpamAssassin, XMLBeans, etc.
> 
> Regardless, that is past now, and we agree on the importance of moving it
> into the ASF Infrastructure.  At this point, I need confirmation that the
> SVN import into the test repository is acceptable, so that I can re-do it in
> the live repository.
> 
>         --- Noel
> 
>
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Gilles Bayon | 7 Feb 2005 19:25
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Re: SVN Import ... Please help us graduate ...

Seems good fot me.

+1 to continue

On Sun, 6 Feb 2005 19:49:26 -0700, Clinton Begin
<clinton.begin <at> gmail.com> wrote:
> Alright, as far as I can tell the Java and site modules of the import
> looks fantastic.  Once Ted, Gilles or Roberto confirm that the .NET
> module is working as expected, it should all be a go.
> 
> Cheers,
> Clinton
> 
> On Sun, 6 Feb 2005 15:24:34 -0500, Noel J. Bergman <noel <at> devtech.com> wrote:
> > Clinton,
> >
> > I'm sure that Ted has been great.  :-)  Ted had first posted about migrating
> > the SVN repository on October 28th.  Are you saying that the project wasn't
> > ready to move the repository at that time?
> >
> > Although I do appreciate that moving to the ASF is a big decision, it is one
> > that has been made by many others, e.g., Beehive, Derby, Graffito,
> > JackRabbit, LDAPd, MyFaces, SpamAssassin, XMLBeans, etc.
> >
> > Regardless, that is past now, and we agree on the importance of moving it
> > into the ASF Infrastructure.  At this point, I need confirmation that the
> > SVN import into the test repository is acceptable, so that I can re-do it in
> > the live repository.
> >
> >         --- Noel
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Clinton Begin | 9 Feb 2005 21:33
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iBATIS SVN import done? (was: SVN Import ... Please help us graduate ...)

Hi Noel, 

I just noticed that iBATIS is in the production incubator SVN tree. 
Does this mean it's done?  Did I miss an email?

Thanks again for helping us out with this!

Clinton

On Mon, 7 Feb 2005 19:25:15 +0100, Gilles Bayon <ibatis.net <at> gmail.com> wrote:
> Seems good fot me.
> 
> +1 to continue
> 
> On Sun, 6 Feb 2005 19:49:26 -0700, Clinton Begin
> <clinton.begin <at> gmail.com> wrote:
> > Alright, as far as I can tell the Java and site modules of the import
> > looks fantastic.  Once Ted, Gilles or Roberto confirm that the .NET
> > module is working as expected, it should all be a go.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Clinton
> >
> > On Sun, 6 Feb 2005 15:24:34 -0500, Noel J. Bergman <noel <at> devtech.com> wrote:
> > > Clinton,
> > >
> > > I'm sure that Ted has been great.  :-)  Ted had first posted about migrating
> > > the SVN repository on October 28th.  Are you saying that the project wasn't
> > > ready to move the repository at that time?
> > >
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Clinton Begin | 10 Feb 2005 20:02
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Re: iBATIS SVN import done? (was: SVN Import ... Please help us graduate ...)

Okay, we can no longer live without our SVN repository.

Is it going to be ready soon?

Cheers,
Clinton

On Wed, 9 Feb 2005 13:33:41 -0700, Clinton Begin
<clinton.begin <at> gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Noel,
> 
> I just noticed that iBATIS is in the production incubator SVN tree.
> Does this mean it's done?  Did I miss an email?
> 
> Thanks again for helping us out with this!
> 
> Clinton
> 
> On Mon, 7 Feb 2005 19:25:15 +0100, Gilles Bayon <ibatis.net <at> gmail.com> wrote:
> > Seems good fot me.
> >
> > +1 to continue
> >
> > On Sun, 6 Feb 2005 19:49:26 -0700, Clinton Begin
> > <clinton.begin <at> gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Alright, as far as I can tell the Java and site modules of the import
> > > looks fantastic.  Once Ted, Gilles or Roberto confirm that the .NET
> > > module is working as expected, it should all be a go.
> > >
> > > Cheers,
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Ted Husted | 11 Feb 2005 01:18
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Re: iBATIS SVN import done? (was: SVN Import ... Please help us graduate ...)

Sorry, Clinton. I've been out of town this week and couldn't get to my email. Noel sent a message to the dev <at> 
list, but it was stuck in the moderation queue.

Noel was asking about the list of committers. I had posted the list on the original JIRA ticket, and thought
everything was handled, but the list was overlooked. 

I probably should have coughed up the extra $10 for internet access at the hotel :(

-Ted.

On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 12:02:59 -0700, Clinton Begin wrote:
> Okay, we can no longer live without our SVN repository.
>
> Is it going to be ready soon?
>
> Cheers,
> Clinton
>
>
> On Wed, 9 Feb 2005 13:33:41 -0700, Clinton Begin
> <clinton.begin <at> gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi Noel,
>>
>> I just noticed that iBATIS is in the production incubator SVN
>> tree. Does this mean it's done?  Did I miss an email?
>>
>> Thanks again for helping us out with this!
>>
>> Clinton
>>
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Noel J. Bergman | 12 Feb 2005 18:38

RE: iBATIS SVN import done? (was: SVN Import ... Please help us graduate ...)

Ted,

There is a reason why I said:

> Right now, you are the only one with karma.  Anyone with sufficient
> karma can make the adjustment to the ACL.

in my e-mail on the 7th.  I was entirely off-line for about half of last
week, and effectively off-line for most of it.  This coming week will be
marginally better, perhaps.  I am not even remotely the only person who
could have added the list of names to the ACL for the repository.

In any event, I've updated the ACL to match INFRA-186.

	--- Noel
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Ted Husted | 12 Feb 2005 19:28
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Agreed. Unfortunately, I was entirely off-line at the same time, and your message was stuck in the
moderation queue. My intent was to explain to the team why there was a lag. 

It would be my strong suggestion that we try to funnel all infrastructure tasks, especially those for the
incubator, through JIRA. Things tend to get lost in email threads. (The case in point being the list of
committers which was attached to the original ticket.) I only resorted to email to bring attention to the
JIRA ticket. 

-Ted.

On Sat, 12 Feb 2005 12:38:51 -0500, Noel J. Bergman wrote:
> Ted,
>
> There is a reason why I said:
>
>> Right now, you are the only one with karma.  Anyone with
>> sufficient karma can make the adjustment to the ACL.
>>
>
> in my e-mail on the 7th.  I was entirely off-line for about half of
> last week, and effectively off-line for most of it.  This coming
> week will be marginally better, perhaps.  I am not even remotely
> the only person who could have added the list of names to the ACL
> for the repository.
>
> In any event, I've updated the ACL to match INFRA-186.
>
> --- Noel
>
>
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roberto | 7 Feb 2005 19:27

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I don't have access privileges yet, so if it looks good to Gilles/Ted, it
looks good to me!

Roberto 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gilles Bayon [mailto:ibatis.net <at> gmail.com]
> Sent: Monday, February 07, 2005 1:25 PM
> To: ibatis-dev <at> incubator.apache.org; cbegin <at> ibatis.com
> Subject: Re: SVN Import ... Please help us graduate ...
> 
> Seems good fot me.
> 
> +1 to continue
> 
> 
> On Sun, 6 Feb 2005 19:49:26 -0700, Clinton Begin
> <clinton.begin <at> gmail.com> wrote:
> > Alright, as far as I can tell the Java and site modules of the import
> > looks fantastic.  Once Ted, Gilles or Roberto confirm that the .NET
> > module is working as expected, it should all be a go.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Clinton
> >
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Clinton Begin | 7 Feb 2005 03:49
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Re: SVN Import ... Please help us graduate ...

Alright, as far as I can tell the Java and site modules of the import
looks fantastic.  Once Ted, Gilles or Roberto confirm that the .NET
module is working as expected, it should all be a go.

Cheers,
Clinton

On Sun, 6 Feb 2005 15:24:34 -0500, Noel J. Bergman <noel <at> devtech.com> wrote:
> Clinton,
> 
> I'm sure that Ted has been great.  :-)  Ted had first posted about migrating
> the SVN repository on October 28th.  Are you saying that the project wasn't
> ready to move the repository at that time?
> 
> Although I do appreciate that moving to the ASF is a big decision, it is one
> that has been made by many others, e.g., Beehive, Derby, Graffito,
> JackRabbit, LDAPd, MyFaces, SpamAssassin, XMLBeans, etc.
> 
> Regardless, that is past now, and we agree on the importance of moving it
> into the ASF Infrastructure.  At this point, I need confirmation that the
> SVN import into the test repository is acceptable, so that I can re-do it in
> the live repository.
> 
>         --- Noel
> 
>
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Ted Husted | 6 Feb 2005 22:29
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The short-story is that the iBATIS committers have been "too busy driving to get gas". ;)

The project was very active when it entered incubation and has stayed active throughout. It was hard to get
the committers to stop committing long enough to move the repository. I think the only way the rest of us got
Clinton to take any time off at all was the birth of his daugher Cameron on 30 Jan 2005. :) I'm sure sure he's
been making *very* good use of the downtime :)

The test SVN repository looks fine to me: +1.

Anyone else want to toss the test a +1 before kickoff?

-Ted.

On Sun, 06 Feb 2005 15:24:34 -0500, Noel J. Bergman wrote:
> Clinton,
>
> I'm sure that Ted has been great.  :-)  Ted had first posted about
> migrating the SVN repository on October 28th.  Are you saying that
> the project wasn't ready to move the repository at that time?
>
> Although I do appreciate that moving to the ASF is a big decision,
> it is one that has been made by many others, e.g., Beehive, Derby,
> Graffito, JackRabbit, LDAPd, MyFaces, SpamAssassin, XMLBeans, etc.
>
> Regardless, that is past now, and we agree on the importance of
> moving it into the ASF Infrastructure.  At this point, I need
> confirmation that the SVN import into the test repository is
> acceptable, so that I can re-do it in the live repository.
>
> --- Noel
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Clinton Begin | 7 Feb 2005 03:30
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Ummm....you mean my *SON* Cameron.  :-)  

Cameron was a boy's name before that Diaz lady came along.  ;-)

Thanks though,
Clinton

On Sun, 6 Feb 2005 16:29:00 -0500, Ted Husted <husted <at> apache.org> wrote:
> The short-story is that the iBATIS committers have been "too busy driving to get gas". ;)
> 
> The project was very active when it entered incubation and has stayed active throughout. It was hard to get
the committers to stop committing long enough to move the repository. I think the only way the rest of us got
Clinton to take any time off at all was the birth of his daugher Cameron on 30 Jan 2005. :) I'm sure sure he's
been making *very* good use of the downtime :)
> 
> The test SVN repository looks fine to me: +1.
> 
> Anyone else want to toss the test a +1 before kickoff?
> 
> -Ted.
> 
> On Sun, 06 Feb 2005 15:24:34 -0500, Noel J. Bergman wrote:
> > Clinton,
> >
> > I'm sure that Ted has been great.  :-)  Ted had first posted about
> > migrating the SVN repository on October 28th.  Are you saying that
> > the project wasn't ready to move the repository at that time?
> >
> > Although I do appreciate that moving to the ASF is a big decision,
> > it is one that has been made by many others, e.g., Beehive, Derby,
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Ted Husted | 7 Feb 2005 19:52
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The blue hat should have been a give-away :) 

On Sun, 06 Feb 2005 19:30:56 -0700, Clinton Begin wrote:
> Ummm....you mean my *SON* Cameron.  :-)
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Clinton Begin | 7 Feb 2005 03:30
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Re: SVN Import ... Please help us graduate ...

Ummm....you mean my *SON* Cameron.  :-)  

Cameron was a boy's name before that Diaz lady came along.  ;-)

Thanks though,
Clinton

On Sun, 6 Feb 2005 16:29:00 -0500, Ted Husted <husted <at> apache.org> wrote:
> The short-story is that the iBATIS committers have been "too busy driving to get gas". ;)
> 
> The project was very active when it entered incubation and has stayed active throughout. It was hard to get
the committers to stop committing long enough to move the repository. I think the only way the rest of us got
Clinton to take any time off at all was the birth of his daugher Cameron on 30 Jan 2005. :) I'm sure sure he's
been making *very* good use of the downtime :)
> 
> The test SVN repository looks fine to me: +1.
> 
> Anyone else want to toss the test a +1 before kickoff?
> 
> -Ted.
> 
> On Sun, 06 Feb 2005 15:24:34 -0500, Noel J. Bergman wrote:
> > Clinton,
> >
> > I'm sure that Ted has been great.  :-)  Ted had first posted about
> > migrating the SVN repository on October 28th.  Are you saying that
> > the project wasn't ready to move the repository at that time?
> >
> > Although I do appreciate that moving to the ASF is a big decision,
> > it is one that has been made by many others, e.g., Beehive, Derby,
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