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trivial question about webserver

Hi,

A trivial question.I would like to make webpage on my own, I have been struggling on this for long time. My ISP has changed the IP's given to us and now I want proper registration of my domain name.

My ISP has given set of IP's range

IPs: qqq.aa.zzz.xxx to qqq.aa.zzz.x75

SubNetMask: 255.255.255.252

One of my IP is used a Gateway qqq.aa.zzz.x61

DNS: 202.kkk.hhh.yyy

Now kindly suggest what are the things I should register with my registrar.

With Best Regards

sunil

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Jim Albert | 10 Feb 05:27

Re: trivial question about webserver

On 2/9/2012 11:16 PM, Dr. Sunil M. Dogra wrote:
> Hi,
> A trivial question.I would like to make webpage on my own, I have been
> struggling on this for long time. My ISP has changed the IP's given to
> us and now I want proper registration of my domain name.
>
>
>
> My ISP has given set of IP's range
> IPs:  qqq.aa.zzz.xxx to qqq.aa.zzz.x75
> SubNetMask: 255.255.255.252
> One of my IP is used a  Gateway qqq.aa.zzz.x61
> DNS: 202.kkk.hhh.yyy
>
> Now kindly suggest what are the things I should register with my registrar.
>
> With Best Regards
> sunil
>
>

I'm assuming you had a working web site and the IP address change has 
caused you a problem. If so, then you likely need to have the DNS entry 
for your domain/web server changed. You'll need to contact the 
organization that handles DNS for you and that may be the company 
through which you have registered your domain. You'll need to give them 
domains/hosts you want changed in DNS and the new IP addresses.

The DNS address given to you by your ISP would be irrelevant in this 
matter. That would be a DNS resolver that you can use for resolving 
domains to IP addresses.

Jim Albert

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Dr. Sunil M. Dogra | 10 Feb 05:43

Re: trivial question about webserver

Hi Jim,

I have tried to make this working but it never worked.

My ISP has changed to NKN (http://nkn.in/) and now they gave me the new IP's.

I have registered with following.
http://www.registry.in/whois/cdrstdu.edu

If could suggest how to make this in proper working condition.

With Best Regards

On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 9:57 AM, Jim Albert <jim <at> netrition.com> wrote:

On 2/9/2012 11:16 PM, Dr. Sunil M. Dogra wrote:
Hi,
A trivial question.I would like to make webpage on my own, I have been
struggling on this for long time. My ISP has changed the IP's given to
us and now I want proper registration of my domain name.

My ISP has given set of IP's range
IPs: qqq.aa.zzz.xxx to qqq.aa.zzz.x75
SubNetMask: 255.255.255.252
One of my IP is used a Gateway qqq.aa.zzz.x61
DNS: 202.kkk.hhh.yyy

Now kindly suggest what are the things I should register with my registrar.

With Best Regards
sunil

I'm assuming you had a working web site and the IP address change has caused you a problem. If so, then you likely need to have the DNS entry for your domain/web server changed. You'll need to contact the organization that handles DNS for you and that may be the company through which you have registered your domain. You'll need to give them domains/hosts you want changed in DNS and the new IP addresses.

The DNS address given to you by your ISP would be irrelevant in this matter. That would be a DNS resolver that you can use for resolving domains to IP addresses.

Jim Albert

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John Doe | 10 Feb 11:29

Re: trivial question about webserver

From: Dr. Sunil M. Dogra <smdogra <at> gmail.com>

>Hi, A trivial question.I would like to make webpage on my own, I have been struggling on this for long
time. My ISP has changed the IP's given to us and now I want proper registration of my domain name.
>My ISP has given set of IP's range
>IPs:  qqq.aa.zzz.xxx to qqq.aa.zzz.x75
>SubNetMask: 255.255.255.252
>One of my IP is used a  Gateway qqq.aa.zzz.x61
>DNS: 202.kkk.hhh.yyy
>Now kindly suggest what are the things I should register with my registrar.

If I try to access cdrstdu.edu, it should go like this:
1. The domain record for cdrstdu.edu gives me a list of DNS servers.
2. I contact the first DNS  server to resolve the hostname -> IP.
3. With the IP the DNS gave me, I contact your server.

Your domain name points to these DNS servers:
  CDRSTDU.EDU.IN
  TIER-3.CDRSTDU.EDU.IN
The thing is these 2 DNS servers do not seem to exist...
First, enter valid DNS servers for your domain.

Then, edit the DNS entries to add your hostname -> IPs.

JD

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Dr. Sunil M. Dogra | 10 Feb 11:48

Re: trivial question about webserver

Hi John,

the Ips of CDRSTDU.EDU.IN, TIER-3.CDRSTDU.EDU.IN has changed so that's why its is not working.

Now I wanted to make a webpage working if you could suggest how to start working.

With Best Regards

sunil

On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 3:59 PM, John Doe <jdmls <at> yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Dr. Sunil M. Dogra <smdogra <at> gmail.com>

>Hi, A trivial question.I would like to make webpage on my own, I have been struggling on this for long time. My ISP has changed the IP's given to us and now I want proper registration of my domain name.
>My ISP has given set of IP's range
>IPs: qqq.aa.zzz.xxx to qqq.aa.zzz.x75
>SubNetMask: 255.255.255.252
>One of my IP is used a Gateway qqq.aa.zzz.x61
>DNS: 202.kkk.hhh.yyy
>Now kindly suggest what are the things I should register with my registrar.

If I try to access cdrstdu.edu, it should go like this:
1. The domain record for cdrstdu.edu gives me a list of DNS servers.
2. I contact the first DNS server to resolve the hostname -> IP.
3. With the IP the DNS gave me, I contact your server.

Your domain name points to these DNS servers:
CDRSTDU.EDU.IN
TIER-3.CDRSTDU.EDU.IN
The thing is these 2 DNS servers do not seem to exist...
First, enter valid DNS servers for your domain.

Then, edit the DNS entries to add your hostname -> IPs.

JD

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John Doe | 10 Feb 12:03

Re: trivial question about webserver

From: Dr. Sunil M. Dogra <smdogra <at> gmail.com>

> the Ips of CDRSTDU.EDU.IN, TIER-3.CDRSTDU.EDU.IN has changed so that's why its is not working.
> Now I wanted to make a webpage working if you could suggest how to start working.

Forget your webpage for now.  It is useless if nobody can reach it.Use valid DNS servers. Ask the DNS techs
to fix their servers or maybe 
your registrar can offer you DNS service.

Once you have valid DNS, enter the name->IP records in them.
And then, people will be able to reach your website.

JD

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DW | 10 Feb 17:36

Re: trivial question about webserver

Dr. Sunil M. Dogra wrote:
> Hi John,
> 
> 
> the Ips of CDRSTDU.EDU.IN, TIER-3.CDRSTDU.EDU.IN has changed so that's why
> its is not working.
> 
> Now I wanted to make a webpage working if you could suggest how to start
> working.
> 
> With Best Regards
> sunil
> 
> 

The webpage or for that matter your website will come later.  first you
need to login to your Registrar's website and from the cPanel (or
whatever they are using) you will be able to enter the correct DNS that
points to your dedicated IP address.  I suggest do a search for DNS on
your registrar's website.

Good luck.

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Jim Albert | 10 Feb 20:17

Re: trivial question about webserver

On 2/10/2012 5:48 AM, Dr. Sunil M. Dogra wrote:
>
> Hi John,
>
>
> the Ips of CDRSTDU.EDU.IN <http://CDRSTDU.EDU.IN>, TIER-3.CDRSTDU.EDU.IN
> <http://TIER-3.CDRSTDU.EDU.IN> has changed so that's why its is not working.
>
> Now I wanted to make a webpage working if you could suggest how to start
> working.

So... your DNS servers have also changed IP address?

If so, then you need to update what are called glue records:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domain_Name_System#Circular_dependencies_and_glue_records
This is done through your domain registrar.
So, first your DNS servers must be seen by the world and they are not:
http://www.webdnstools.com/dnstools/domain_check
enter CDRSTDU.EDU.IN
and it fails...  no DNS servers are found and I suspect it's because the 
glue records at the edu.in level have not been updated.

So... there's two things.
1. Get your glue records updated which indicate the IP addresses of your 
DNS server(s).
2. Update your DNS server(s) with new records pointing your domain to 
new IP addresses.

Your domain registrar should be able to help with this as that is the 
contact through which your glue records will be updated. They may not 
know what you are talking about at first depending on the level of 
support you first reach, but if the IP addresses of your DNS servers 
have changed, then your glue records must be updated.

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Jim Albert | 10 Feb 20:29

Re: trivial question about webserver

On 2/10/2012 2:17 PM, Jim Albert wrote:
> On 2/10/2012 5:48 AM, Dr. Sunil M. Dogra wrote:
>>
>> Hi John,
>>
>>
>> the Ips of CDRSTDU.EDU.IN <http://CDRSTDU.EDU.IN>, TIER-3.CDRSTDU.EDU.IN
>> <http://TIER-3.CDRSTDU.EDU.IN> has changed so that's why its is not
>> working.
>>
>> Now I wanted to make a webpage working if you could suggest how to start
>> working.
>
> So... your DNS servers have also changed IP address?
>
> If so, then you need to update what are called glue records:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domain_Name_System#Circular_dependencies_and_glue_records
>
> This is done through your domain registrar.
> So, first your DNS servers must be seen by the world and they are not:
> http://www.webdnstools.com/dnstools/domain_check
> enter CDRSTDU.EDU.IN
> and it fails... no DNS servers are found and I suspect it's because the
> glue records at the edu.in level have not been updated.
>
> So... there's two things.
> 1. Get your glue records updated which indicate the IP addresses of your
> DNS server(s).
> 2. Update your DNS server(s) with new records pointing your domain to
> new IP addresses.
>
> Your domain registrar should be able to help with this as that is the
> contact through which your glue records will be updated. They may not
> know what you are talking about at first depending on the level of
> support you first reach, but if the IP addresses of your DNS servers
> have changed, then your glue records must be updated.
>

Please note... the advise above assumes you control/manage your own DNS 
servers. In other words, the IP addresses of your DNS servers changed. 
If this is true then my advise on glue records is likely valid.

If you do not manage your own DNS servers, then glue records should not 
need to be adjusted.

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