Re: Sampling at the composition/work level

On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 9:16 AM, practik <kronpilz@...> wrote:
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> Philip Jägenstedt wrote
>>
>> On Sat, Jun 30, 2012 at 10:56 PM, monxton wrote:
>>> In any case, a work-work relationship gives more information, because it
>>> tells you which of Beethoven's works is quoted. This is much more useful
>>> than just setting Beethoven as the composer.
>>
>> If we can agree on the work-work AR perhaps the rest will fall into
>> place, but how broad should it be. The wording I used in the
>> annotations was "includes elements of" and "incorporates part of". I
>> suppose that the AR we invent should also be used for Beethoven's
>> variations of Mozart compositions, how would someone with a clue about
>> classical phrase the relationship between two such works?
>>
>
> I've had the idea of such a work-work relationship on my AR wish list for a
> while now.  A pretty common term I've seen in the classical context is
> "quotation,"* but I personally would prefer to see us use a broader term lke
> "adaptation."  To me, quotation implies a "straight" reproduction of a
> section of the original work, without changing it, but I feel like lyricists
> and composers often rework the original material, at least in the pop
> context.
>
> An example:  The line "And everything depends upon how near you sleep to
> me," from Leonard Cohen's song "Take This Longing," is quoted in "Hand in
> Glove" by The Smiths, except the word "sleep" is replaced by "stand."  It's
> not quotation in the strictest sense of the word, but it's still clearly a
> reference to Cohen.  Semantically, "adaptation" would encompass this sort of