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Dave Smey | 1 Oct 2006 18:08

Re: Should we change Classical Rules?

I think I'm in total agreement with Frederic here.

>
> About edit 5674932
>
> caillon says that since ARs now can give the composer, it makes sense to
> put
> this release under Hilary Hahn. Indeed, in many cd stores, Various Artists
> classical releases are sorted by performer, and I am not sure some stores
> wouldn't put this release at Hilary Hahn. So two questions:
>

A good store would definitely have it under Bach, with *maybe* an
additional copy under Hilary Hahn.  (But in reality such dual placement
would be a pain to maintain.)

> 1 - Should this release (and releases where the title puts a strong accent
> on the performer) be stored under the performer?
>

No.  It is more interesting and useful to survey multiple recordings of
the same stuff under Bach.  Hahn still can get her credit thanks to the
performer AR.

> 2 - Should specifically VA releases where the title puts a strong accent
> on
> the performer be stored under the performer?
>

Yes.  I believe this is the current practice, with a description buried

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Dave Smey | 1 Oct 2006 22:55

Re: Should we change Classical Rules?

On Sun, October 1, 2006 12:08 pm, Dave Smey said:
>
>> 2 - Should specifically VA releases where the title puts a strong accent
>> on
>> the performer be stored under the performer?
>>
>
> Yes.  I believe this is the current practice, with a description buried
> somewhere deep in the wiki.
>

OK, I was thinking of...

http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/SG5DisasterRelief

which is not a classical style guide, exactly.

-DS

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Frederic Da Vitoria | 2 Oct 2006 10:15

Re: Should we change Classical Rules?

2006/10/1, Dave Smey <autodave-+vWUWHUwnV5Wk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>:

On Sun, October 1, 2006 12:08 pm, Dave Smey said:
>
>> 2 - Should specifically VA releases where the title puts a strong accent
>> on
>> the performer be stored under the performer?
>>
>
> Yes. I believe this is the current practice, with a description buried
> somewhere deep in the wiki.
>

OK, I was thinking of...

http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/SG5DisasterRelief

which is not a classical style guide, exactly.

-DS

Ok, but this is a general behavior, and classical doesn't exactly follow general rules :-D Actually, in several places, the CSG says the ONLY possibilities are composer or VA, never performer. So this would be an exception to the CSG's current rules, and as such should be explicitely written (in the CSG). Which is why I ask the qsuestion in this group. And if we are to amend the CSG, while we are at it, we should specify the limits.

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P. HarryE. Coenen | 2 Oct 2006 13:25

RE: Should we change Classical Rules?

Maybe a bit on a tangent (again), and maybe its already incorporated in the "rules"

Just wondering if anyone has looked at the "rules" librarians use for their music collections.

A.they could become major users and supporters of MB if the system has advantages for them

B. that profession has been catalogging for ages, and certainly has a viewon this

C. (European perspecive) many libraries have evolved in "information centres" including large video and audio collections.

Certainly for classical music there are naming conventions out there, not necessarily all useful:

e.g. I want to find Ketih Jarrets Goldberg Variations among the many other performed variations (Glen Gould, etc.), and I would want to find a certain combination of conductor and Orchestra (e.g. Haitink & the Amsterdam Concertgebouw Orkest, or Haitink and some other Orchestra, because it makes a difference)

As said maybe of tangent

Cheers

Harry Coenen aka EnnioD

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2006/10/1, Dave Smey <autodave-+vWUWHUwnV5Wk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>:

On Sun, October 1, 2006 12:08 pm, Dave Smey said:
>
>> 2 - Should specifically VA releases where the title puts a strong accent
>> on
>> the performer be stored under the performer?
>>
>
> Yes. I believe this is the current practice, with a description buried
> somewhere deep in the wiki.
>

OK, I was thinking of...

http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/SG5DisasterRelief

which is not a classical style guide, exactly.

-DS

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Frederic Da Vitoria | 1 Oct 2006 21:07

Re: Should we change Classical Rules?

2006/10/1, Dave Smey <autodave-+vWUWHUwnV5Wk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>:

I think I'm in total agreement with Frederic here.

>
> About edit 5674932
>
> caillon says that since ARs now can give the composer, it makes sense to
> put
> this release under Hilary Hahn. Indeed, in many cd stores, Various Artists
> classical releases are sorted by performer, and I am not sure some stores
> wouldn't put this release at Hilary Hahn. So two questions:
>

A good store would definitely have it under Bach, with *maybe* an
additional copy under Hilary Hahn.  (But in reality such dual placement
would be a pain to maintain.)

> 1 - Should this release (and releases where the title puts a strong accent
> on the performer) be stored under the performer?
>

No.  It is more interesting and useful to survey multiple recordings of
the same stuff under Bach.  Hahn still can get her credit thanks to the
performer AR.

> 2 - Should specifically VA releases where the title puts a strong accent
> on
> the performer be stored under the performer?
>

Yes.  I believe this is the current practice, with a description buried
somewhere deep in the wiki.

I couldn't fint it :-(

3 - For rare discs that have multiple performers and multiple composers,
they can remain VA.

Yes, but I guess that nobody could disagree with this ;-)

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