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Art Morales | 11 May 2005 16:52

A convert? [Fwd: Jinzora 2.0 released - upcoming merger with Netjuke]

Ok, I guess first impressions can be wrong.  After getting a bit of
help from the jinzora developers to fix an incompatibility with
Mandrake 10.1 (php issue, easy to fix)... I finally got a working
Jinzora2 install that looks like netjuke for the most part.

I haven't tried editing any tracks yet, but I must say that I can
learn to like this.  The multiple interfaces are nice, and it is
configurable enough that I can turn off things I don't particularly
care for (album art, for example :)

Anyways, if you guys are still on the fence, give Jinzora a try.  Use
the netjuke skin and it looks almost  like netjuke 1.0rc2.  It even
works!

It actually plenty fax on my 21500 song collection.  I still like how
netjuke reads tags (slightly different than jinzora, probably the
order of id3v1 vs id3v2) that I will have to edit some songs to have
the same organization I had with netjuke, but that's minor.

Art

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eto | 11 May 2005 22:02

Re: A convert? [Fwd: Jinzora 2.0 released - upcoming merger with Netjuke]

On Wed, May 11, 2005 at 10:52:22AM -0400, Art Morales wrote:

<snip>
> I still like how
> netjuke reads tags (slightly different than jinzora, probably the
> order of id3v1 vs id3v2) that I will have to edit some songs to have
> the same organization I had with netjuke, but that's minor.

Is there a way, in netjuke, to have it use the directory structure for
genre/title information, instead of the tags?

I have tons of music organized in that fashion and can't figure out how to
get netjuke to use it.

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Zak Brown | 11 May 2005 22:14

Re: A convert? [Fwd: Jinzora 2.0 released - upcoming merger with Netjuke]


You can you an application like Tag&Rename or Abander Tag Control to write tags from the directory/file structure.

On Wed, 11 May 2005 eto <at> splot.org wrote:

> On Wed, May 11, 2005 at 10:52:22AM -0400, Art Morales wrote:
> 
> <snip>
> > I still like how
> > netjuke reads tags (slightly different than jinzora, probably the
> > order of id3v1 vs id3v2) that I will have to edit some songs to have
> > the same organization I had with netjuke, but that's minor.
> 
> Is there a way, in netjuke, to have it use the directory structure for
> genre/title information, instead of the tags?
> 
> I have tons of music organized in that fashion and can't figure out how to
> get netjuke to use it.
> 
> 
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eto | 11 May 2005 22:37

Re: A convert? [Fwd: Jinzora 2.0 released - upcoming merger with Netjuke]

On Wed, May 11, 2005 at 01:14:43PM -0700, Zak Brown wrote:
> 
> You can you an application like Tag&Rename or Abander Tag Control to
> write tags from the directory/file structure.

Thanks, but I can't run those programs in Linux, AFAIK.

Even if I could, I use genre names that are not part of the list of tag
genres.  So, it's unclear to me how I could tag things with the appropriate
bit.

It would be best, for my purposes, if I could somehow get netjuke to
recognize that all of my mp3s are layed out in genre/artist/album form.
It's not uncommon to do so.

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John Graber | 11 May 2005 23:40

Re: A convert? [Fwd: Jinzora 2.0 released - upcoming merger with Netjuke]

For Linux I have had outstanding results with EasyTag 1.99 and it can fill tags from your directory structure. With EasyTag, it is not required that the genres are standard ones, AFAIK.

http://easytag.sourceforge.net/

I love using this app for renaming files and folder structures from tag data too.

Then I load everything into Netjuke.

eto <at> splot.org wrote:

On Wed, May 11, 2005 at 01:14:43PM -0700, Zak Brown wrote:
You can you an application like Tag&Rename or Abander Tag Control to write tags from the directory/file structure.
Thanks, but I can't run those programs in Linux, AFAIK. Even if I could, I use genre names that are not part of the list of tag genres. So, it's unclear to me how I could tag things with the appropriate bit. It would be best, for my purposes, if I could somehow get netjuke to recognize that all of my mp3s are layed out in genre/artist/album form. It's not uncommon to do so. ------------------------------------------------------- This SF.Net email is sponsored by Oracle Space Sweepstakes Want to be the first software developer in space? Enter now for the Oracle Space Sweepstakes! http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7393&alloc_id=16281&op=click _______________________________________________ Netjuke-users mailing list Netjuke-users <at> lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/netjuke-users

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Escobedo, Joshua | 11 May 2005 22:57

Re: A convert? [Fwd: Jinzora 2.0 released - upcoming merger with Netjuke]

I've bounced around from database to database with my music, and have been
using netjuke now for over a year.  I gotta say there is NO SUBSTITUTE for
good id3 tags.  It's like guaranteed db portability.

Tag&Rename is decent, but I don't like the clunky interface.  I cannot
select multiple tracks in the CDDB results and shift their order, I have
to adjust order one track at a time.  Since it reads track filenames in
first-digit order (1,10, 11, 12, 2, 20, 21, 3, 4, 5, 6 etc), I pretty much
ahve to do this for every album.

I wish I'd have made good id3 tags years ago.  Surely there is a linux
solution you can use to read the file structure as you have it, and make
id3 tags.

If anyone has a recommendation for a better one than tag&rename for
windows, I'm all ears.  :)  command line tools that'd work under FreeBSD
would be neat too.

-- josh escobedo
   computer support
   international services
   (312) 355-2479

On Wed, May 11, 2005 3:37 pm, eto <at> splot.org said:
> On Wed, May 11, 2005 at 01:14:43PM -0700, Zak Brown wrote:
>>
>> You can you an application like Tag&Rename or Abander Tag Control to
>> write tags from the directory/file structure.
>
> Thanks, but I can't run those programs in Linux, AFAIK.
>
> Even if I could, I use genre names that are not part of the list of tag
> genres.  So, it's unclear to me how I could tag things with the
> appropriate
> bit.
>
> It would be best, for my purposes, if I could somehow get netjuke to
> recognize that all of my mp3s are layed out in genre/artist/album form.
> It's not uncommon to do so.
>
>
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Jeremy Chapman | 11 May 2005 23:47

Re: A convert? [Fwd: Jinzora 2.0 released - upcoming merger with Netjuke]

http://easytag.sourceforge.net/ The best by far. You will never need another tool. Amazing CDDB guessing of albums...

use that with http://louhi.kempele.fi/~skyostil/projects/albumart/ and you have a very pretty collection. Took me over a year, but have my collection mainly in check.

Everyone with an mp3 collection should check these out. They are linux-only tools, but we all have linux mp3 servers right?

Escobedo, Joshua wrote:

I've bounced around from database to database with my music, and have been using netjuke now for over a year. I gotta say there is NO SUBSTITUTE for good id3 tags. It's like guaranteed db portability. Tag&Rename is decent, but I don't like the clunky interface. I cannot select multiple tracks in the CDDB results and shift their order, I have to adjust order one track at a time. Since it reads track filenames in first-digit order (1,10, 11, 12, 2, 20, 21, 3, 4, 5, 6 etc), I pretty much ahve to do this for every album. I wish I'd have made good id3 tags years ago. Surely there is a linux solution you can use to read the file structure as you have it, and make id3 tags. If anyone has a recommendation for a better one than tag&rename for windows, I'm all ears. :) command line tools that'd work under FreeBSD would be neat too. -- josh escobedo computer support international services (312) 355-2479 On Wed, May 11, 2005 3:37 pm, eto <at> splot.org said:
On Wed, May 11, 2005 at 01:14:43PM -0700, Zak Brown wrote:
You can you an application like Tag&Rename or Abander Tag Control to write tags from the directory/file structure.
Thanks, but I can't run those programs in Linux, AFAIK. Even if I could, I use genre names that are not part of the list of tag genres. So, it's unclear to me how I could tag things with the appropriate bit. It would be best, for my purposes, if I could somehow get netjuke to recognize that all of my mp3s are layed out in genre/artist/album form. It's not uncommon to do so. ------------------------------------------------------- This SF.Net email is sponsored by Oracle Space Sweepstakes Want to be the first software developer in space? Enter now for the Oracle Space Sweepstakes! http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7393&alloc_id=16281&op=click _______________________________________________ Netjuke-users mailing list Netjuke-users <at> lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/netjuke-users
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eto | 19 May 2005 04:47

Re: A convert? [Fwd: Jinzora 2.0 released - upcoming merger with Netjuke]

On Wed, May 11, 2005 at 05:47:27PM -0400, Jeremy Chapman wrote:

> http://easytag.sourceforge.net/ The best by far. You will never need 
> another tool. Amazing CDDB guessing of albums...

I feel like a real blockhead here.

I've installed and run easytag, but it's a gui interface that I can't figure 
out for my purposes.

My initial complaint with netjuke was that it just used whatever genre was
in the id3 tag for importing.  I wanted to know if I could get netjuke
to appreciate the fact that I have music sorted into genre/artist/album
format.

I was hoping that with easytag, I would find a command-line program
that would simply (recursively) write whatever tag netjuke needs in order
to respect the organization structure I have.  It's not obvious to me how
to get easytag to do so, though.

Am I not understanding easytag?  Am I not understanding netjuke?

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John Graber | 19 May 2005 15:54

Basic EasyTag 101

Not to turn this into an EasyTag mailing list, but...

Don't feel stupid. I felt the interface for EasyTag was not very intuitive as well. Just to get you going in the right direction, I think what you want is this:

Say you have you stuff organized as /MyMP3s/genre/artist/album/tracknumber-trackname

Select all of the files for which you want to fill the tags.

You use the easytag 'Tag and File Name scan' feature in Scanner > Fill Tags and put something like this in the text field

/MyMP3s/%g/%a/%b/%n-%t

Then click the scan button. Your files should turn red (they may have been red text in the first place because easytag likes to update tags to a given standard). Then click the save button (floppy disk) and all tags will be updated based on the folder/file naming.

I use the reverse of this to reorganize or import mp3's into my netjuke filesystem.

Someone made the point of saying that ID3 tags offer data portability. I can not possibly agree more. I maintain my ID3 tags religiously and it has saved my ass a LOT of work several times. Of course, I am big on data portability. I'm an Oracle DBA. ;)

Good Luck!

P.S. Don't try this on a ton of files at once until you have it down pat! It could majorly hose everything for you.

eto <at> splot.org wrote:

On Wed, May 11, 2005 at 05:47:27PM -0400, Jeremy Chapman wrote:
http://easytag.sourceforge.net/ The best by far. You will never need another tool. Amazing CDDB guessing of albums...
I feel like a real blockhead here. I've installed and run easytag, but it's a gui interface that I can't figure out for my purposes. My initial complaint with netjuke was that it just used whatever genre was in the id3 tag for importing. I wanted to know if I could get netjuke to appreciate the fact that I have music sorted into genre/artist/album format. I was hoping that with easytag, I would find a command-line program that would simply (recursively) write whatever tag netjuke needs in order to respect the organization structure I have. It's not obvious to me how to get easytag to do so, though. Am I not understanding easytag? Am I not understanding netjuke? ------------------------------------------------------- This SF.Net email is sponsored by Oracle Space Sweepstakes Want to be the first software developer in space? Enter now for the Oracle Space Sweepstakes! http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7412&alloc_id=16344&op=click _______________________________________________ Netjuke-users mailing list Netjuke-users <at> lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/netjuke-users

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Jeremy Chapman | 19 May 2005 15:40

Re: A convert? [Fwd: Jinzora 2.0 released - upcoming merger with Netjuke]

look into the tag scanner window on easytag.

However, if you click on Rock for instance, in the center column part of easytag, you will see i fill up with all your songs as they get scanned for id3 tags. If you want genre fixed, select them all, change the genre to Rock, and press the little apply to all button next to the genre field. You have just rewritten the tag for the genre acrss all the songs.

The tag scanner will also read Genre > Artist > Title into the tags, depending on how you have your collection setup.

It may take some playing with it, but it is really quite intuitive once you understand the basics.

Jeremy

PS: Nothing is ever that easy... however if you would like to write a netjuke preparation script, I would try it!

to <at> splot.org wrote:

On Wed, May 11, 2005 at 05:47:27PM -0400, Jeremy Chapman wrote:
http://easytag.sourceforge.net/ The best by far. You will never need another tool. Amazing CDDB guessing of albums...
I feel like a real blockhead here. I've installed and run easytag, but it's a gui interface that I can't figure out for my purposes. My initial complaint with netjuke was that it just used whatever genre was in the id3 tag for importing. I wanted to know if I could get netjuke to appreciate the fact that I have music sorted into genre/artist/album format. I was hoping that with easytag, I would find a command-line program that would simply (recursively) write whatever tag netjuke needs in order to respect the organization structure I have. It's not obvious to me how to get easytag to do so, though. Am I not understanding easytag? Am I not understanding netjuke? ------------------------------------------------------- This SF.Net email is sponsored by Oracle Space Sweepstakes Want to be the first software developer in space? Enter now for the Oracle Space Sweepstakes! http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7412&alloc_id=16344&op=click _______________________________________________ Netjuke-users mailing list Netjuke-users <at> lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/netjuke-users

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eto | 19 May 2005 22:18

Re: A convert? [Fwd: Jinzora 2.0 released - upcoming merger with Netjuke]

On Thu, May 19, 2005 at 09:40:27AM -0400, Jeremy Chapman wrote:
> look into the tag scanner window on easytag.
> 
> However, if you click on Rock for instance, in the center column part of 
> easytag, you will see i fill up with all your songs as they get scanned 
> for id3 tags. If you want genre fixed, select them all, change the genre 
> to Rock, and press the little apply to all button next to the genre 
> field. You have just rewritten the tag for the genre acrss all the songs.

Ah, sweet, got it.  FWIW, the button next to genre, for me, is just a
little square.  There is no indication of 'apply to all'.  It works, but I
don't think I would have ever tried it.

Thanks, everyone, for your help.  These 20k files of mine are slowly having
the genre tags fixed.

In netjuke, I cleared the db and imported a couple of test directories and
it looks real good.

BTW, I was messing around with 'id3ren' but, AFAICT, it is limited to a
preset-selection of genres.  That's how I got the impression that the
genre information had to be some number between 1 and 125.

Anyway, thanks again.

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Jeremy Chapman | 19 May 2005 22:43

Re: A convert? [Fwd: Jinzora 2.0 released - upcoming merger with Netjuke]

yes, the button is a little square for me too... their dox are pretty good from what I remember.. the tag scanner works very well if you have put time into making your dirs perfect, as I had.

But, I use the cddb scanner almost exclusively now. Select an album, go to Tools>cddb album search.... just hit search in the window that pops up, and more than likely it will have found your album. You can then select the stuff it found, and apply it to the tags of your mp3s. You can also (and this is damned cool) run the tags through your filter be4 filling your tags, like I make titles uppercase in id3, but want all my files lowercase with scores translated to _ and in the convention of %n_%t_%b_%a.mp3 where n=track number t=title b=album and a=artist.

The genre thing I mentioned before is the brutal but quick way to get into the prog ;)

Jeremy

eto <at> splot.org wrote:

On Thu, May 19, 2005 at 09:40:27AM -0400, Jeremy Chapman wrote:
look into the tag scanner window on easytag. However, if you click on Rock for instance, in the center column part of easytag, you will see i fill up with all your songs as they get scanned for id3 tags. If you want genre fixed, select them all, change the genre to Rock, and press the little apply to all button next to the genre field. You have just rewritten the tag for the genre acrss all the songs.
Ah, sweet, got it. FWIW, the button next to genre, for me, is just a little square. There is no indication of 'apply to all'. It works, but I don't think I would have ever tried it. Thanks, everyone, for your help. These 20k files of mine are slowly having the genre tags fixed. In netjuke, I cleared the db and imported a couple of test directories and it looks real good. BTW, I was messing around with 'id3ren' but, AFAICT, it is limited to a preset-selection of genres. That's how I got the impression that the genre information had to be some number between 1 and 125. Anyway, thanks again. ------------------------------------------------------- This SF.Net email is sponsored by Oracle Space Sweepstakes Want to be the first software developer in space? Enter now for the Oracle Space Sweepstakes! http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7412&alloc_id=16344&op=click _______________________________________________ Netjuke-users mailing list Netjuke-users <at> lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/netjuke-users

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Paul Cutler | 12 May 2005 02:54

Re: A convert? [Fwd: Jinzora 2.0 released - upcoming merger with Netjuke]

I second Easytag - and thanks for the FYI on the album art downloader, that's fantastic. Now I just have to decide if I want to install QT to use it.

Paul
silwenae <at> silwenae.com

Jeremy Chapman wrote:

http://easytag.sourceforge.net/ The best by far. You will never need another tool. Amazing CDDB guessing of albums...

use that with http://louhi.kempele.fi/~skyostil/projects/albumart/ and you have a very pretty collection. Took me over a year, but have my collection mainly in check.

Everyone with an mp3 collection should check these out. They are linux-only tools, but we all have linux mp3 servers right?

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Zak Brown | 11 May 2005 22:51

Re: A convert? [Fwd: Jinzora 2.0 released - upcoming merger with Netjuke]


There's no set list of Genres.  You can specify anything you want in that field.

I'm sure that one of the many many many Linux tag editors supports that feature, it's a common thing in
Windows tag editors these days.

If the php option sounds better to you still, get to writing it.

On Wed, 11 May 2005 eto <at> splot.org wrote:

> On Wed, May 11, 2005 at 01:14:43PM -0700, Zak Brown wrote:
> > 
> > You can you an application like Tag&Rename or Abander Tag Control to
> > write tags from the directory/file structure.
> 
> Thanks, but I can't run those programs in Linux, AFAIK.
> 
> Even if I could, I use genre names that are not part of the list of tag
> genres.  So, it's unclear to me how I could tag things with the appropriate
> bit.
> 
> It would be best, for my purposes, if I could somehow get netjuke to
> recognize that all of my mp3s are layed out in genre/artist/album form.
> It's not uncommon to do so.
> 
> 
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