Lorenzo Sutton | 7 Feb 13:22
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Pitch-bend ruler broken?

This is on version 11.11.42
The pitch bend ruler in matrix view seems heavily broken. Placing a 
point at position in time it gets placed in randomly different places, 
deleting points is not awlays possible and doing it erratically deletes 
notes, as well as screwing up the undo sistem (i.e. you delete pitch 
bend points, it deletes notes and you cannot undo it, so you have lost 
those notes).

Not thet the pitch bend ruler has ever been the most usable tool. But at 
least it used to work in a strange but predictable manner.

Any hint?

Lorenzo.

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Brett McCoy | 7 Feb 12:57
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Re: Pitch-bend ruler broken?

On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 7:22 AM, Lorenzo Sutton
<lorenzofsutton@...> wrote:

> This is on version 11.11.42
> The pitch bend ruler in matrix view seems heavily broken. Placing a
> point at position in time it gets placed in randomly different places,
> deleting points is not awlays possible and doing it erratically deletes
> notes, as well as screwing up the undo sistem (i.e. you delete pitch
> bend points, it deletes notes and you cannot undo it, so you have lost
> those notes).
>
> Not thet the pitch bend ruler has ever been the most usable tool. But at
> least it used to work in a strange but predictable manner.
>
> Any hint?

I've had the same experience with the pitch bend ruler also in recent
versions. It's not usable like this.

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Re: Pitch-bend ruler broken?

On Tuesday, February 07, 2012, Brett McCoy wrote:

> > The pitch bend ruler in matrix view seems heavily broken. Placing a
> > point at position in time it gets placed in randomly different places,
> > deleting points is not awlays possible and doing it erratically deletes
> > notes, as well as screwing up the undo sistem (i.e. you delete pitch
> > bend points, it deletes notes and you cannot undo it, so you have lost
> > those notes).

> I've had the same experience with the pitch bend ruler also in recent
> versions. It's not usable like this.

This is the first I've heard of catastrophic problems with the pitch bend 
ruler.  The new rulers since 10.02 or so have remained somewhat buggy and 
unfinished, but at least barely usable.  I tried to improve them a bit, and 
didn't really succeed.  Any additional gains here require the hand of a 
sharper mind than mine; somebody like Ted Felix, say.

In any case, I've had a look at the carnage myself.  The biggest problem I 
note is that after you draw the first point with the pencil, the cursor 
changes into a hand, and remains that way.  This makes it considerably tricky 
to put the next point where you want it.

I didn't reproduce any problems with failing to place a point somewhere 
reasonable (ie. somewhere under the big hunk of real estate covered by the 
hand cursor), with notes getting deleted, or with anything getting stuck 
permanently in a state where undo would lead to permanent loss of data.

With two people reporting similar problems, I'm inclined to believe the 
problems really exist, but I was not able to reproduce any of them.  There's 
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Lorenzo Sutton | 8 Feb 11:36
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Re: Pitch-bend ruler broken?

On 07/02/12 20:04, D. Michael McIntyre wrote:
> On Tuesday, February 07, 2012, Brett McCoy wrote:
>
>>> The pitch bend ruler in matrix view seems heavily broken. Placing a
>>> point at position in time it gets placed in randomly different places,
>>> deleting points is not awlays possible and doing it erratically deletes
>>> notes, as well as screwing up the undo sistem (i.e. you delete pitch
>>> bend points, it deletes notes and you cannot undo it, so you have lost
>>> those notes).
>> I've had the same experience with the pitch bend ruler also in recent
>> versions. It's not usable like this.
> This is the first I've heard of catastrophic problems with the pitch bend
> ruler.  The new rulers since 10.02 or so have remained somewhat buggy and
> unfinished, but at least barely usable.  I tried to improve them a bit, and
> didn't really succeed.  Any additional gains here require the hand of a
> sharper mind than mine; somebody like Ted Felix, say.
Well I don't know if it would be unpolite to mention another software 
which IMHO opinion does it quite right with the pitch bend and 
controller rulers stuff.
>
> In any case, I've had a look at the carnage myself.  The biggest problem I
> note is that after you draw the first point with the pencil, the cursor
> changes into a hand, and remains that way.  This makes it considerably tricky
> to put the next point where you want it.
Yes. and also it is not movable... I guess one would expect to be able 
to click. then drag but you need to use the selection tool to do it.
>
> I didn't reproduce any problems with failing to place a point somewhere
> reasonable (ie. somewhere under the big hunk of real estate covered by the
> hand cursor), with notes getting deleted, or with anything getting stuck
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Re: Pitch-bend ruler broken?

On Wednesday, February 08, 2012, Lorenzo Sutton wrote:

> I made a quick video hope it helps (sorry no audio):
> http://gnufunk.org/~lorenzosu/temp/rosegarden_pitch_bend_test.ogv

I don't have time to really study the whole train wreck, but I took a copy of 
the video to review later.  That was extremely helpful, and a very good idea!

It looks like the rulers are pretty much hopelessly broken if you ever zoom.

I know the ruler selections are completely awful, and it's a miracle if you 
manage to use one to accomplish something.  I invested more time than you can 
imagine trying to fix that, and I didn't achieve much.

That's just kind of how it goes around here.  If that's ever going to get 
fixed, somebody with a better set of skills than I possess will have to step 
in and save the day.  I'm a truck driver with a liberal arts degree in foreign 
languages, and nothing much for math skills.  I used to feel like some kind of 
failure for not being able to be some super genius mad programmer, but I'm 
more realistic, and more comfortable in my own skin now.  I'm the most amazing 
truck driver you're ever going to meet, but if you need a strong programmer 
with well-developed skills, calling me is a waste of time.  I might as well 
ask the average Rosegarden user to pick up and deliver a load of gasoline.
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