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Adam Tauno Williams | 8 Jul 2009 21:17
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New Sourceforge

Sourceforge has renovated its site and services; and it seems like a
pretty big improvement.  They now offer [working vs. what they had
previously] hosted applications such as a Wiki, etc...?  There has been
talk before of possibly moving OGo to Google Code (someone else hosting
SVN), revamping the website, etc...  What about moving OGo to the new
Sourceforge?  Would seem to solve numerous problems.  If there are
specific issues I'd be willing to research them.

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Sebastian Reitenbach | 9 Jul 2009 08:55
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Re: New Sourceforge

Hi,

On Wednesday 08 July 2009 09:17:39 pm Adam Tauno Williams wrote:
> Sourceforge has renovated its site and services; and it seems like a
> pretty big improvement.  They now offer [working vs. what they had
> previously] hosted applications such as a Wiki, etc...?  There has been
> talk before of possibly moving OGo to Google Code (someone else hosting
> SVN), revamping the website, etc...  What about moving OGo to the new
> Sourceforge?  Would seem to solve numerous problems.  If there are
> specific issues I'd be willing to research them.

I don't have issues with sourceforge, especially as Helge said, for several 
reasons, he will not go with a trac based homepage. 
As Helge said, some time ago, sourceforge was fairly slow, .... but the new 
site looks nice and seems to be fast, so fine for me...
I hope by the end of the month, I'll have Internet again at home, and in case 
something was agreed to move the website to here or there, I'd be happy to 
join efforts to get/keep things moving. 

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Adam Tauno Williams | 9 Jul 2009 15:26
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Re: New Sourceforge

On Thu, 2009-07-09 at 08:55 +0200, Sebastian Reitenbach wrote:
> Hi,
> On Wednesday 08 July 2009 09:17:39 pm Adam Tauno Williams wrote:
> > Sourceforge has renovated its site and services; and it seems like a
> > pretty big improvement.  They now offer [working vs. what they had
> > previously] hosted applications such as a Wiki, etc...?  There has been
> > talk before of possibly moving OGo to Google Code (someone else hosting
> > SVN), revamping the website, etc...  What about moving OGo to the new
> > Sourceforge?  Would seem to solve numerous problems.  If there are
> > specific issues I'd be willing to research them.
> I don't have issues with sourceforge, especially as Helge said, for several 
> reasons, he will not go with a trac based homepage. 
> As Helge said, some time ago, sourceforge was fairly slow, .... but the new 
> site looks nice and seems to be fast, so fine for me..

I have a friend who is a developer at Sourceforge;  they've completely
revamped their entire network.  So previous conceptions of Sourceforge
(I didn't like them either) aren't valid.

They provide a variety of hosted applications now and I've created a
project there to play with them
<http://sourceforge.net/projects/coils/>.  If you have a Sourceforge
account send a request to join the project and I'll add you and you can
play around in their version of Trac (which I have enabled)
<https://sourceforge.net/apps/trac/coils/>  IMO, the best feature of
GoogleCode is their Wiki, so it will be interesting to see how it stacks
up.  So far Trac seems comparable.  I'm curious how nice a "site" one
can create in Trac (that doesn't necessarily scream "I'M A WIKI!").

> I hope by the end of the month, I'll have Internet again at home, and in case
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Helge Hess | 10 Jul 2009 16:12
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On 09.07.2009, at 15:26, Adam Tauno Williams wrote:
> They provide a variety of hosted applications now and I've created a
> project there to play with them
> <http://sourceforge.net/projects/coils/>.

Interesting project :-)

> If you have a Sourceforge
> account send a request to join the project and I'll add you and you  
> can
> play around in their version of Trac (which I have enabled)
> <https://sourceforge.net/apps/trac/coils/>

Oh well, Trac. Hm.

> IMO, the best feature of
> GoogleCode is their Wiki, so it will be interesting to see how it  
> stacks
> up.  So far Trac seems comparable.  I'm curious how nice a "site" one
> can create in Trac (that doesn't necessarily scream "I'M A WIKI!").

I don't think either of them solves the website issue.

Anyways, I think we currently have no huge pressure to go with either  
of them. Maybe lets wait a while and see what other people say about SF?

Greets,
   Helge
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Helge Hess | 9 Jul 2009 00:24
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Re: New Sourceforge

On 08.07.2009, at 21:17, Adam Tauno Williams wrote:
> They now offer [working vs. what they had
> previously] hosted applications such as a Wiki, etc...?  There has  
> been talk before of possibly moving OGo to Google Code (someone else  
> hosting SVN), revamping the website, etc...  What about moving OGo  
> to the new Sourceforge?

I pretty much like GoogleCode, especially the Wiki, since its just  
Subversion :-)

The big issue is, that the permission setups seem to be too limited (a  
user either has write access to the whole project or none at all).
Though I guess I just need to relax a bit about that, after all I  
could still cut of people who do stupid things ;-)

Not sure about SourceForge. When I checked it out a few years ago it  
was very very slow. Who owns SourceForge now?
Looking at the site, I guess I slighty prefer GoogleCode.

Anyways, SourceForge might be an option, I have no specific opinion on  
it. (BTW: Savannah might be another one?)

Greets,
   Helge

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Adam Tauno Williams | 9 Jul 2009 05:03
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> I pretty much like GoogleCode, especially the Wiki, since its just  
> Subversion :-)
> The big issue is, that the permission setups seem to be too limited (a  
> user either has write access to the whole project or none at all).
> Though I guess I just need to relax a bit about that, after all I  
> could still cut of people who do stupid things ;-)

?? Who else commits code?

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Helge Hess | 9 Jul 2009 12:10
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On 09.07.2009, at 05:03, Adam Tauno Williams wrote:
>> I pretty much like GoogleCode, especially the Wiki, since its just
>> Subversion :-)
>> The big issue is, that the permission setups seem to be too limited  
>> (a user either has write access to the whole project or none at all).
>> Though I guess I just need to relax a bit about that, after all I
>> could still cut of people who do stupid things ;-)
> ?? Who else commits code?

Eg Inverse requested SOPE commit permissions. In the past I have given  
other people access to own branches, where they could commit, but not  
in trunk (eg for the GNUstep-make work ...).

Greets,
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Adam Tauno Williams | 9 Jul 2009 01:24
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Re: New Sourceforge

On Thu, 2009-07-09 at 00:24 +0200, Helge Hess wrote:
> On 08.07.2009, at 21:17, Adam Tauno Williams wrote:
> > They now offer [working vs. what they had
> > previously] hosted applications such as a Wiki, etc...?  There has  
> > been talk before of possibly moving OGo to Google Code (someone else  
> > hosting SVN), revamping the website, etc...  What about moving OGo  
> > to the new Sourceforge?
> I pretty much like GoogleCode, especially the Wiki, since its just  
> Subversion :-)

Agree, I like it as well.

> The big issue is, that the permission setups seem to be too limited (a  
> user either has write access to the whole project or none at all).
> Though I guess I just need to relax a bit about that, after all I  
> could still cut of people who do stupid things ;-)

I believe sourceforge supports more granular control, I can look
further.  They also now support other version control systems such as
Mercurial which work around the entire issue.

> Not sure about SourceForge. When I checked it out a few years ago it  
> was very very slow. 

Yes, I disliked them for that reason too.  But they've revamped
everything and are much faster now.

> Who owns SourceForge now?

Sourceforge Inc; a public USA corporation.
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