Re: [Fwd: Re: [Fwd: Re: Nepomuk message ontology - questions from implementor point of view]]
Hi Philip,
thanks you very much for the research! It indeed seems we can improve
the MIME representation of body parts.
What I meant by "proprietary format" is that many e-mail clients store
the messages as plain-text-files (inbox files, maildir),
and not in a special MIME-specific database format.
To go on, we would need to know when you need this change (in which
release of the ontology)
and who else would need it.
I have filed the request and the provided data in a ticket:
http://dev.nepomuk.semanticdesktop.org/ticket/706
For the actual changes to do, there needs to be a complete request for
changes to NMO,
so we already have half of that - your proposal.
It is easier for us to accept this request for change if there is a
complete example
and an example file (preferably an email message and its rdf
representation)
to validate it in the reference implementation.
Philip, could you shortly describe for what software you develop that
will use the changed ontology?
Could you also say if you need this change within the next release
(30th January 2009)
or later? To make it into the next release, I would need to get the
exact change request and test data, quickly.
If you are interested in having the change done, we can ask around if
there
are other people who can help you document it.
So, what I recommend for the people working on NMO of Nepomuk
Actually, it reads "the people who are supporting the OSCAF initiative",
are you interested to get connected there?
best
Leo
It was Philip Van Hoof who said at the right time 14.01.2009 16:02 the
following words:
On Wed, 2009-01-14 at 15:48 +0100, Philip Van Hoof wrote:
The structure includes the ENVELOPE of forwarded E-mails, so to get an
accurate overview of quite a lot of metadata you could do:
tag01 UID FETCH 1.* (UID FLAGS ENVELOPE BODYSTRUCTURE)
I have placed a document online which is available here:
http://pvanhoof.be/files/email-metadata-0-0-4.pdf.bz2
This document describes how collecting metadata about E-mails works
technically for IMAP servers.
I think it might be interesting for people working on NMO in Nepomuk.
--
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Kuenstliche Intelligenz DFKI GmbH
Trippstadter Strasse 122
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Dr. Walter Olthoff
Vorsitzender des Aufsichtsrats:
Prof. Dr. h.c. Hans A. Aukes
Amtsgericht Kaiserslautern, HRB 2313
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Hi Philip,<br><br>
thanks you very much for the research! It indeed seems we can improve
the MIME representation of body parts.<br>
What I meant by "proprietary format" is that many e-mail clients store
the messages as plain-text-files (inbox files, maildir),<br>
and not in a special MIME-specific database format.<br><br>
To go on, we would need to know when you need this change (in which
release of the ontology)<br>
and who else would need it.<br><br>
I have filed the request and the provided data in a ticket:<br><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://dev.nepomuk.semanticdesktop.org/ticket/706">http://dev.nepomuk.semanticdesktop.org/ticket/706</a><br><br>
For the actual changes to do, there needs to be a complete request for
changes to NMO,<br>
so we already have half of that - your proposal.<br><br>
It is easier for us to accept this request for change if there is a
complete example<br>
and an example file (preferably an email message and its rdf
representation)<br>
to validate it in the reference implementation.<br><br>
Philip, could you shortly describe for what software you develop that
will use the changed ontology?<br><br>
Could you also say if you need this change within the next release
(30th January 2009)<br>
or later? To make it into the next release, I would need to get the
exact change request and test data, quickly.<br><br>
If you are interested in having the change done, we can ask around if
there<br>
are other people who can help you document it.<br><br><blockquote type="cite">
So, what I recommend for the people working on NMO of Nepomuk
</blockquote>
Actually, it reads "the people who are supporting the OSCAF initiative",<br>
are you interested to get connected there?<br><br><br>
best<br>
Leo<br><br><br>
It was Philip Van Hoof who said at the right time 14.01.2009 16:02 the
following words:
<blockquote cite="mid:1231945350.12336.76.camel <at> tinc" type="cite">
On Wed, 2009-01-14 at 15:48 +0100, Philip Van Hoof wrote:
<blockquote type="cite">
The structure includes the ENVELOPE of forwarded E-mails, so to get an
accurate overview of quite a lot of metadata you could do:
tag01 UID FETCH 1.* (UID FLAGS ENVELOPE BODYSTRUCTURE)
</blockquote>
I have placed a document online which is available here:
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://pvanhoof.be/files/email-metadata-0-0-4.pdf.bz2">http://pvanhoof.be/files/email-metadata-0-0-4.pdf.bz2</a>
This document describes how collecting metadata about E-mails works
technically for IMAP servers.
I think it might be interesting for people working on NMO in Nepomuk.
</blockquote>
<br><br>--
____________________________________________________
DI Leo Sauermann <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.dfki.de/~sauermann">http://www.dfki.de/~sauermann</a>
Deutsches Forschungszentrum fuer
Kuenstliche Intelligenz DFKI GmbH
Trippstadter Strasse 122
P.O. Box 2080 Fon: +49 631 20575-116
D-67663 Kaiserslautern Fax: +49 631 20575-102
Germany Mail: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:leo.sauermann@...">leo.sauermann@...</a>
Geschaeftsfuehrung:
Prof.Dr.Dr.h.c.mult. Wolfgang Wahlster (Vorsitzender)
Dr. Walter Olthoff
Vorsitzender des Aufsichtsrats:
Prof. Dr. h.c. Hans A. Aukes
Amtsgericht Kaiserslautern, HRB 2313
____________________________________________________
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