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Italo Vignoli | 2 May 2012 13:03

The Document Foundation announces LibreOffice 3.5.3

Record number of new contributors + 10 Google Summer of Code projects

Berlin, May 2, 2012 - The Document Foundation announces LibreOffice
3.5.3, the fourth version of the 3.5 family. LibreOffice 3.5.3 provides
additional stability to corporate and individual users of the best free
office suite ever.

"In April 2012, 34 new developers contributed code to The Document
Foundation, the largest number since January 2011 [Source:
http://www.ohloh.net]. Eight of them have already committed more than
once, thanks to the help of an extremely welcoming community, where old
developers spend a portion of their time mentoring new ones to bring
them up to speed," comments Norbert Thiebaud, a volunteer developer
active since September 28, 2010. "In less than two years, we have been
able to build an authentically diverse community, where full time and
volunteer developers coexist and help each other, as it should happen in
every free software project."

Ten of the new developers are Google Summer of Code 2012 students, who
will work at developing the following features:

- Calc performance improvements;
- Lightproof improvements;
- collaborative spreadsheet editing using Telepathy;
- a Microsoft Publisher import filter;
- a signed PDF export;
- a smartphone remote control;
- a new UI for picking templates;
- a Java based GUI for an Android viewer;
- an improved Impress SVG export filter;

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Tom Davies | 2 May 2012 13:20

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stable? Re: [tdf-announce] The Document Foundation announces LibreOffice 3.5.3

Hi :)
Does this "additional stability" mean that it's still far less stable than 3.4.6?  Are we still going to
see large numbers of people give up on LO because they are pushed into using the least stable?
Regards from
Tom :)

--- On Wed, 2/5/12, Italo Vignoli <italo.vignoli <at> documentfoundation.org> wrote:

From: Italo Vignoli <italo.vignoli <at> documentfoundation.org>
Subject: [tdf-announce] The Document Foundation announces LibreOffice 3.5.3
To: "TDF Announce" <announce <at> documentfoundation.org>
Date: Wednesday, 2 May, 2012, 12:03

Record number of new contributors + 10 Google Summer of Code projects

Berlin, May 2, 2012 - The Document Foundation announces LibreOffice
3.5.3, the fourth version of the 3.5 family. LibreOffice 3.5.3 provides
additional stability to corporate and individual users of the best free
office suite ever.

"In April 2012, 34 new developers contributed code to The Document
Foundation, the largest number since January 2011 [Source:
http://www.ohloh.net]. Eight of them have already committed more than
once, thanks to the help of an extremely welcoming community, where old
developers spend a portion of their time mentoring new ones to bring
them up to speed," comments Norbert Thiebaud, a volunteer developer
active since September 28, 2010. "In less than two years, we have been
able to build an authentically diverse community, where full time and
volunteer developers coexist and help each other, as it should happen in
every free software project."

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Cor Nouws | 2 May 2012 13:24

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Re: stable? Re: [tdf-announce] The Document Foundation announces LibreOffice 3.5.3

Hi 
Tom Davies wrote (02-05-12 13:20)
> Hi :)
> Does this "additional stability" mean that it's still far less stable than 3.4.6?

Is there any proof for this, or again FUD ?

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Tom Davies | 2 May 2012 13:31

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Re: stable? Re: [tdf-announce] The Document Foundation announces LibreOffice 3.5.3

Hi :)
Try following the Users List.  Listen to what the users are finding rather than trying to impose your or the
devs opinion.  

Most of the questions on the list are solved by asking people to try the 3.4.6 instead of the 3.5.whatever.  

Regards from
Tom :)

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From: Cor Nouws <oolst <at> nouenoff.nl>
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] stable? Re: [tdf-announce] The Document Foundation announces
LibreOffice 3.5.3
To: marketing <at> global.libreoffice.org
Date: Wednesday, 2 May, 2012, 12:24

Hi 
Tom Davies wrote (02-05-12 13:20)
> Hi :)
> Does this "additional stability" mean that it's still far less stable than 3.4.6?

Is there any proof for this, or again FUD ?

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Charles-H. Schulz | 2 May 2012 13:47

Re: stable? Re: [tdf-announce] The Document Foundation announces LibreOffice 3.5.3

Tom,

When we release versions it means that we're trying to improve the software
anyway. But because it is software, please understand that there will
always be bugs. Even if we release a 3.5.19, it will still be buggy. That's
the nature of software. So if by any chance you have the impression that
developers do not care about bugs or that we will reach one day a point
where we release something without bugs, you are quite misguided. This
being said, if you have bugs, or know people who have specific bugs I
encourage you and them to file bug reports, as that is something helpful.

Best,
Charles.

2012/5/2 Tom Davies <tomdavies04 <at> yahoo.co.uk>

> Hi :)
> Try following the Users List.  Listen to what the users are finding rather
> than trying to impose your or the devs opinion.
>
> Most of the questions on the list are solved by asking people to try the
> 3.4.6 instead of the 3.5.whatever.
>
> Regards from
> Tom :)
>
>
> --- On Wed, 2/5/12, Cor Nouws <oolst <at> nouenoff.nl> wrote:
>
> From: Cor Nouws <oolst <at> nouenoff.nl>

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Tom Davies | 2 May 2012 13:56

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Re: stable? Re: [tdf-announce] The Document Foundation announces LibreOffice 3.5.3

Hi :)
That is not the problem.  Of course nothing is 100% perfect and a lot of the work that people do is to make
things better.  

We currently have 1 release that does seem to be excellent and very stable, the 3.4.6.  

The 3.5.x is not as stable as the 3.4.6 (from what we see on the User List) but does have an advantage in having
significantly more functionality, a better look, more features and is generally just a lot sexier.  

Each new branch seems to introduce a ton of new features and additional functionality.  This sometimes
seems to add regressions or creates problems that were not there in previous releases.  As the branch
matures the instabilities settle down.  

In sales&marketing it would seem obvious that it is better to sell a product based on it's advantages NOT on 
wishful thinking.  

Regards from
Tom :)

--- On Wed, 2/5/12, Charles-H. Schulz <charles.schulz <at> documentfoundation.org> wrote:

From: Charles-H. Schulz <charles.schulz <at> documentfoundation.org>
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] stable? Re: [tdf-announce] The Document Foundation announces
LibreOffice 3.5.3
To: marketing <at> global.libreoffice.org
Date: Wednesday, 2 May, 2012, 12:47

Tom,

When we release versions it means that we're trying to improve the software

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Charles-H. Schulz | 2 May 2012 14:07

Re: stable? Re: [tdf-announce] The Document Foundation announces LibreOffice 3.5.3

2012/5/2 Tom Davies <tomdavies04 <at> yahoo.co.uk>

> Hi :)
> That is not the problem.  Of course nothing is 100% perfect and a lot of
> the work that people do is to make things better.
>
>
> We currently have 1 release that does seem to be excellent and very
> stable, the 3.4.6.
>
> The 3.5.x is not as stable as the 3.4.6 (from what we see on the User
> List) but does have an advantage in having significantly more
> functionality, a better look, more features and is generally just a lot
> sexier.
>
> Each new branch seems to introduce a ton of new features and additional
> functionality.  This sometimes seems to add regressions or creates problems
> that were not there in previous releases.  As the branch matures the
> instabilities settle down.
>
> In sales&marketing it would seem obvious that it is better to sell a
> product based on it's advantages NOT on  wishful thinking.
>

Wishful thinking? Users complaints ? How familiar are you with software
development? What else do you think a mailing list for users is designed
for if not for bug reports?

Thanks,

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Stefan Weigel | 2 May 2012 15:19

Re: stable? Re: [tdf-announce] The Document Foundation announces LibreOffice 3.5.3

Servus Charles 

Am 02.05.2012 14:07, schrieb Charles-H. Schulz:

> What else do you think a mailing list for users is designed
> for if not for bug reports?

Of course, it can be used for bug reports. However, I think, it´s
primarily meant for all kind of user´s questions, that do not
necessarily result from a bug.

I guess this has nothing to do with Tom´s statement, which I simply
do not understand... 

Enjoy the sun!

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Cor Nouws | 2 May 2012 14:07

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Re: stable? Re: [tdf-announce] The Document Foundation announces LibreOffice 3.5.3

Tom Davies wrote (02-05-12 13:31)

> Try following the Users List.

I do and I take notice.
Suggestions / questions I posted before to be specific on assumptions, 
have been without result.
So FUD indeed.

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Fabian Rodriguez | 2 May 2012 17:12

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On 12-05-02 07:31 AM, Tom Davies wrote:
> Hi :)
> Try following the Users List. Listen to what the users are finding
rather than trying to impose your or the devs opinion.
>
> Most of the questions on the list are solved by asking people to try
the 3.4.6 instead of the 3.5.whatever.
>
> Regards from
> Tom :)
>

I've been using 3.5.x since it's been available and installing/upgrading
quite a few users with it without any single major problem since.

The mailing list is really not a good indication of where the most
issues / frequent problems are. The mailing list is usually where the
hardest corner cases end up, as it takes an additional knowledge of how
to even post here to ask about them. That's my personal experience,
which is also not an absolute measure of this.

The bottom line is, unless you have a extensive survey and number to
back any claims like that, please don't spread assumption based on the
very few, English-only problems you're a witness of.

Cheers,

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webmaster-Kracked_P_P | 2 May 2012 18:30

Re: stable?


Stable is a relative question.

Here is the question I would ask. . . .

Would you recommend 3.4.6 or 3.5.3 for business users?

That may be the question we should ask.

I would not recommend 3.5.2 for business users.  Now that 3.5.3 just 
came out, there will be some time to see how it works out.  I thing we 
need to do more "marketing" thought to what we would tell business users 
when we are asked which version of LO they should use for their first 
time trying LO for their needs.

I tell them 3.4.6, for now.  That is the one I use and can honestly tell 
them that.

There is a bug list linked to the 3.5.x release info page that state the 
most annoying bugs/issues that that line has.  I would love to see some 
"wording" on that list stating if the bug/issue has been fixed and which 
version it was fixed in.  THEN, I would know if my "show-stopper" 
bug/issues are fixed or not.  There were several in the Writer section 
that stops me from using LO 3.5.1 or 3.5.2.  I hope they will be fixed soon.

So, the "stable" word needs to be replaced with some other word/words.  
LO is having issues with some XP/pro users, as the User List shows.  So 
it is stable for that user? NO.  But it works fine with my XP/pro 
laptop.  We need to give more information than just one word.

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Tom Davies | 2 May 2012 19:39

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Re: stable?

Hi :)
Yes, the 3.4.6 does seem a lot better for people that want stability.  

Why do we have 2 branches being developed alongside each other?  Why bother with any of the versions of the
older branch after the new branch has started?  Is it just a waste of devs time?
Regards from
Tom :)

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From: webmaster-Kracked_P_P <webmaster <at> krackedpress.com>
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] stable?
To: marketing <at> global.libreoffice.org
Date: Wednesday, 2 May, 2012, 17:30

Stable is a relative question.

Here is the question I would ask. . . .

Would you recommend 3.4.6 or 3.5.3 for business users?

That may be the question we should ask.

I would not recommend 3.5.2 for business users.  Now that 3.5.3 just came out, there will be some time to see
how it works out.  I thing we need to do more "marketing" thought to what we would tell business users when
we are asked which version of LO they should use for their first time trying LO for their needs.

I tell them 3.4.6, for now.  That is the one I use and can honestly tell them that.

There is a bug list linked to the 3.5.x release info page that state the most annoying bugs/issues that that

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Robert Ryley | 2 May 2012 21:14

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Re: stable? Re: [tdf-announce] The Document Foundation announces LibreOffice 3.5.3

The features mentioned in the press release are very interesting.  I
know some professional groups that would be interested in some of
these.  Great work!

> - Calc performance improvements;
> - Lightproof improvements;
> - collaborative spreadsheet editing using Telepathy;
> - a Microsoft Publisher import filter;
> - a signed PDF export;
> - a smartphone remote control;
> - a new UI for picking templates;
> - a Java based GUI for an Android viewer;
> - an improved Impress SVG export filter;
> - tooling for more and better tests.

> LibreOffice 3.5.3 is available for immediate download from the following
> link: http://www.libreoffice.org/download/.
>
> Change logs are available at
> http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Releases/3.5.3/RC1 and
> http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Releases/3.5.3/RC2.
>
> Short link to The Document Foundation blog: http://wp.me/p1byPE-h4
>
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webmaster-Kracked_P_P | 2 May 2012 22:42

Re: stable? Re: [tdf-announce] The Document Foundation announces LibreOffice 3.5.3

On 05/02/2012 03:14 PM, Robert Ryley wrote:
> The features mentioned in the press release are very interesting.  I
> know some professional groups that would be interested in some of
> these.  Great work!
>
>> - Calc performance improvements;
>> - Lightproof improvements;
>> - collaborative spreadsheet editing using Telepathy;
>> - a Microsoft Publisher import filter;
Publisher importing, well that is the last MSO file format that there 
was no ability to deal with.  Well, it will be nice to deal with these 
file again while using Ubuntu.
>> - a signed PDF export;
>> - a smartphone remote control;
>> - a new UI for picking templates;
>> - a Java based GUI for an Android viewer;
Is this the first step in getting a version to work under the Android 
OS, or just some other thing?
>> - an improved Impress SVG export filter;
>> - tooling for more and better tests.
>> LibreOffice 3.5.3 is available for immediate download from the following
>> link: http://www.libreoffice.org/download/.
>>
>> Change logs are available at
>> http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Releases/3.5.3/RC1 and
>> http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Releases/3.5.3/RC2.
>>
>> Short link to The Document Foundation blog: http://wp.me/p1byPE-h4
>>
>> --

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