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Mirek M. | 26 Jun 2012 13:33
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NOT shipping the Progress template

Even though we selected the Progress template to be bundled with
LibreOffice and the author of the template has given us permission, it
turns out that the author of the mockup that this template copied, Caleb
Riley aka. spiceofdesign, has revoked his license to use it. Here is his
message:

"I'm sorry but no. If they had asked my permission before submitting it,
and done it jointly in both out names, then I might have given permission.
When a design that was not even licensed under any creative common licence
is copied, it would not be in the best interest of the Document Foundation
to support copyright theft. If is does get distributed it will only reflect
badly on the Foundation and you can be sure that I will be vocal about it."

(Previously, he answered "okay" to "Hi Caleb, A designer submitted a
template based on your mockup ("Progress" at [link]) and neglected to ask
for permission to license it under the CC0 license.Would you be willing to
give us that permission?".)

In any case, it's better not to ship the template without Caleb's
permission.
If you'd like to contact him, you can find him at
http://spiceofdesign.deviantart.com/ .

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Stefan Knorr | 27 Jun 2012 04:03

Re: NOT shipping the Progress template

Hi Mirek, all,

> "I'm sorry but no. If they had asked my permission before submitting it,
> and done it jointly in both out names, then I might have given permission.
> When a design that was not even licensed under any creative common licence
> is copied, it would not be in the best interest of the Document Foundation
> to support copyright theft. If is does get distributed it will only reflect
> badly on the Foundation and you can be sure that I will be vocal about it."

Oh, that's sad. As I said before, I understand Caleb's POV, though.

However, since Caleb's mock-ups are generally pretty awesome, is there someone
(Alex/William maybe?) who'd realise them under a license Caleb would agree to
and then get them onto templates.libreoffice.org?
(I feel that CC-BY-NC-SA is limiting users a bit too much, so getting him to
release the mockups under CC-BY-SA or CC-BY would be cooler.)

Btw, Mirek, thanks for your taking care of this issue!

Astron.

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Mirek M. | 27 Jun 2012 22:03
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Re: NOT shipping the Progress template

Update on the situation: Caleb has agreed to allow us to ship the template
if it only uses the top right slide we chose with changed colors.

Here is the conversation that took place:
"In any case, what we would ship is only the top right slide from [link]
(we can only bundle templates with one master for now, apparently). Would
it be alright if we changed the colors on that one and shipped it? Along
with using Liberation fonts, there wouldn't be any similarities with your
original except the vertical orientation of stripes.Would that be ok? I
don't want to do anything you'd be uncomfortable with." - me

"Top right only with a colour change seems perfectly reasonable to me." -
Caleb

So... Could anyone here suggest some colors?

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william@gathoye.be | 6 Jul 2012 23:34
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Re: NOT shipping the Progress template + misc

Hi all,

Sorry it has been a long time, I've been really busy lately.

1. The "Progress" template

(now, we could call it "Regression" template ;-) as we lost a huge time 
on it with what's follow)

> Even though we selected the Progress template to be bundled with
> LibreOffice and the author of the template has given us permission, it
> turns out that the author of the mockup that this template copied, Caleb
> Riley aka. spiceofdesign, has revoked his license to use it. Here is his
> message:
>
> "I'm sorry but no. If they had asked my permission before submitting it,
> and done it jointly in both out names, then I might have given
> permission. When a design that was not even licensed under any creative
> common licence is copied, it would not be in the best interest of the
> Document Foundation to support copyright theft. If is does get
> distributed it will only reflect badly on the Foundation and you can be
> sure that I will be vocal about it."
>
> (Previously, he answered "okay" to "Hi Caleb, A designer submitted a
> template based on your mockup ("Progress" at [link]) and neglected to
> ask for permission to license it under the CC0 license.Would you be
> willing to give us that permission?".)
>
I'm sorry about that and I completely agree with Caleb POV.
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Adolfo Jayme Barrientos | 7 Jul 2012 04:14
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Re: Re: NOT shipping the Progress template + misc

I think you're spoiling a few things regarding to fonts :) :

> 2. The Liberation Fonts.
>
> (Yes I know, it's preferable to open another thread as the subject changes
> but it is closely tied).
>
> First of all, you have to know that Liberation fonts are just free "copy" of
> MS fonts shipped with MS Office created in order to solve license problems.
>     Liberation Sans  --> Arial
>     Liberation Serif --> Times New Roman
>     Liberation Mono  --> Courrier New

Investigate a bit about typography and tell me if the Liberation
typefaces are copies or rip-offs of Microsoft core fonts.

> I asked last week on the Dev IRC channel, why we cannot use other fonts than
> Liberation when these are bundled with LibO for age (e.g. DejaVu).
> Two opposite opinions are emerging from devs.
>
> - The first one, "we have to keep Liberation as default font is order to
> keep the same metrics as MS Office. This avoids most of portability problems
> and differences in page layouts when using files on both office suites".
>
> I don't agree with this. LibO has to take its own dev way and not simply
> continue to develop itself by "copying" MS.

You may not agree, but we're not talking about LibreOffice "taking its
own way", that's simply ridiculous. We're talking about people's
documents. You may hate Microsoft, but LibreOffice needs to maintain
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