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Allen Myers | 16 Jun 2012 16:38

spell checking

Please, can you correct your spell checking program: UK English does NOT
spell "defensive" and "offensive" with a "c" in place of the "s".

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Regina Henschel | 16 Jun 2012 17:06

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Re: spell checking

Hi Allen,

Allen Myers schrieb:
> Please, can you correct your spell checking program: UK English does NOT
> spell "defensive" and "offensive" with a "c" in place of the "s".
>
>

I do not understand you. "offencive" and "defencive" are both marked as 
error here. Where do you see a problen?

Kind regards
Regina

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Regina Henschel | 16 Jun 2012 17:50

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Re: spell checking

Hi Allen,

Allen Myers schrieb:
> Please, can you correct your spell checking program: UK English does NOT
> spell "defensive" and "offensive" with a "c" in place of the "s".
>

Do you have installed an "en-UK" dictionary? If you right-click in the 
'language' field on the status bar > Set Language for Paragraph > More. 
Scroll down to 'en-UK' in 'Language' field. If there is no 'ABC'-marker, 
then no dictionary is installed.

Kind regards
Regina

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webmaster-Kracked_P_P | 16 Jun 2012 19:04

Re: spell checking

On 06/16/2012 11:50 AM, Regina Henschel wrote:
> Hi Allen,
>
> Allen Myers schrieb:
>> Please, can you correct your spell checking program: UK English does NOT
>> spell "defensive" and "offensive" with a "c" in place of the "s".
>>
>
> Do you have installed an "en-UK" dictionary? If you right-click in the 
> 'language' field on the status bar > Set Language for Paragraph > 
> More. Scroll down to 'en-UK' in 'Language' field. If there is no 
> 'ABC'-marker, then no dictionary is installed.
>
> Kind regards
> Regina
>

See if this British [en-UK] English dictionary works for you.  It may be 
what you are looking for, or not.  But it does have over 638,000 words.  
The original "master list" claimed to be British English, and not Oxford 
English.

http://libreoffice-na.us/English-3.5-installs/add-on-dictionaries-large-list/kpp-british-english-dictionary-638k-word-list.oxt

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Larry Gusaas | 16 Jun 2012 20:26

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Re: spell checking

On 2012-06-16 11:04 AM webmaster-Kracked_P_P wrote:
> See if this British [en-UK] English dictionary works for you.  It may be what you are looking 
> for, or not.  But it does have over 638,000 words.  The original "master list" claimed to be 
> British English, and not Oxford English. 

I use your Canadian English 638K dictionary and it has the incorrect spelling "defencive" and 
"offencive".
The correct spelling is "defensive" and "offensive" in Canadian, UK, and US English.

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Larry Gusaas | 16 Jun 2012 20:36

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Re: spell checking

On 2012-06-16 12:26 PM Larry Gusaas wrote:
> On 2012-06-16 11:04 AM webmaster-Kracked_P_P wrote:
>> See if this British [en-UK] English dictionary works for you.  It may be what you are 
>> looking for, or not.  But it does have over 638,000 words.  The original "master list" 
>> claimed to be British English, and not Oxford English. 
>
> I use your Canadian English 638K dictionary and it has the incorrect spelling "defencive" and 
> "offencive".
> The correct spelling is "defensive" and "offensive" in Canadian, UK, and US English.

I disabled your dictionary in LibreOffice. The standard English dictionary included with LO has 
the correct spelling for "defensive" and "offensive" in Canadian, UK, and US English.

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Tom Davies | 17 Jun 2012 09:00

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Re: Re: spell checking

Hi :)
Good move.  It's a quick&easy way to fix the problem although you might want to switch it back on again now
the 2 words have been dealt with.  The standard dictionaries that come with LO occasionally cause other
problems which Tim has fixed for his dictionaries.  His seem to be quite a lot larger too.  

I was impressed with how fast the 2 words were dealt with too.  
Regards from
Tom :)  

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From: Larry Gusaas <larry.gusaas <at> gmail.com>
Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: spell checking
To: users <at> global.libreoffice.org
Date: Saturday, 16 June, 2012, 19:36

On 2012-06-16 12:26 PM Larry Gusaas wrote:
> On 2012-06-16 11:04 AM webmaster-Kracked_P_P wrote:
>> See if this British [en-UK] English dictionary works for you.  It may be what you are looking for, or
not.  But it does have over 638,000 words.  The original "master list" claimed to be British English,
and not Oxford English. 
> 
> I use your Canadian English 638K dictionary and it has the incorrect spelling "defencive" and "offencive".
> The correct spelling is "defensive" and "offensive" in Canadian, UK, and US English.

I disabled your dictionary in LibreOffice. The standard English dictionary included with LO has the
correct spelling for "defensive" and "offensive" in Canadian, UK, and US English.

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webmaster-Kracked_P_P | 16 Jun 2012 20:50

Re: Re: spell checking

On 06/16/2012 02:26 PM, Larry Gusaas wrote:
> On 2012-06-16 11:04 AM webmaster-Kracked_P_P wrote:
>> See if this British [en-UK] English dictionary works for you.  It may 
>> be what you are looking for, or not.  But it does have over 638,000 
>> words.  The original "master list" claimed to be British English, and 
>> not Oxford English. 
>
> I use your Canadian English 638K dictionary and it has the incorrect 
> spelling "defencive" and "offencive".
> The correct spelling is "defensive" and "offensive" in Canadian, UK, 
> and US English.
>

Well I will check it out.

The master list is not mine, but was gathered from several sources.  I 
was told that the lists were 99.999% correct, since there cannot be a 
100% in anything.

Will get back to you.

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Tom Davies | 16 Jun 2012 23:38

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Re: Re: spell checking - corrected

Hi :)
It's a bit weird because in English (UK) defence is right but defense is not.  Of course nothing can be 100%
right all the time.  
Regards from
Tom :)  

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From: webmaster-Kracked_P_P <webmaster <at> krackedpress.com>
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: spell checking - corrected
To: users <at> global.libreoffice.org
Date: Saturday, 16 June, 2012, 20:25

On 06/16/2012 02:50 PM, webmaster-Kracked_P_P wrote:
> On 06/16/2012 02:26 PM, Larry Gusaas wrote:
>> On 2012-06-16 11:04 AM webmaster-Kracked_P_P wrote:
>>> See if this British [en-UK] English dictionary works for you.  It may be what you are looking for, or
not.  But it does have over 638,000 words.  The original "master list" claimed to be British English,
and not Oxford English. 
>> 
>> I use your Canadian English 638K dictionary and it has the incorrect spelling "defencive" and "offencive".
>> The correct spelling is "defensive" and "offensive" in Canadian, UK, and US English.
>> 
> 
> Well I will check it out.
> 
> The master list is not mine, but was gathered from several sources.  I was told that the lists were 99.999%
correct, since there cannot be a 100% in anything.
> 
> Will get back to you.

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webmaster-Kracked_P_P | 16 Jun 2012 23:55

Re: Re: spell checking - corrected

Take a look at some of the things that are being discussed as changes 
for Oxford English.

Maybe some of the "weirdness" was from that type of source.

Spelling of "common" words change as the language changes.  Look at the 
different versions of French and German listed on the dictionary lists.  
Look at the fact that there are over 20 localized Spanish versions.

The English language came from adding words from other languages and 
cultures.  As we more more into the second decade of the 21st century, 
more and more words are added to English then ever before.  I remember 
doing a dictionary project in a college environment for an Asian company 
where the spelling dictionary had about 178,000 words.  Now the word 
lists are over 600,000 words.  I have looked into "rare spellings" of 
words that would place the word list over 1,000,000 spelling words.  If 
you buy the largest dictionary, it is in multiple volume set, of the 
last time I looked for such a thing.

So, who knows, the "offencive" spelling may be correct to some new 
standard.  Or, it could have been just some "weird" error by the 
creators of the different master word lists that my .dic file were 
developed from.  Actually, I still have to add several hundred words 
that I found that is currently missing from my 638K lists.

On 06/16/2012 05:38 PM, Tom Davies wrote:
> Hi :)
> It's a bit weird because in English (UK) defence is right but defense is not.  Of course nothing can be 100%
right all the time.

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Larry Gusaas | 17 Jun 2012 00:47

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Re: spell checking - corrected

On 2012-06-16 3:38 PM Tom Davies wrote:
> Hi:)
> It's a bit weird because in English (UK) defence is right but defense is not.  Of course nothing can be 100%
right all the time.
> Regards from
> Tom:)   
Have a look wikipediea for the differences between UK and US English.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_and_British_English_spelling_differences

For example:

    *-ce, -se*
    For advice / advise and device / devise, American English and British English both keep the
    noun/verb distinction (where the pronunciation is -[s] for the noun and -[z] for the verb).
    For licence / license or practice / practise, British English also keeps the noun/verb
    distinction (the two words in each pair are homophones with -[s] pronunciation, though). On
    the other hand, American English uses license and practice for both nouns and verbs (with
    -[s] pronunciation in both cases too).

    American English has kept the Anglo-French spelling for defense and offense, which are
    usually defence and offence in British English. Likewise, there are the American pretense
    and British pretence; but derivatives such as defensive, offensive, and pretension are
    always thus spelt in both systems.

    Australian[28] and Canadian usage generally follows British.

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webmaster-Kracked_P_P | 17 Jun 2012 01:50

Re: Re: spell checking - corrected

On 06/16/2012 06:47 PM, Larry Gusaas wrote:
> On 2012-06-16 3:38 PM Tom Davies wrote:
>> Hi:)
>> It's a bit weird because in English (UK) defence is right but defense 
>> is not.  Of course nothing can be 100% right all the time.
>> Regards from
>> Tom:) 
> Have a look wikipediea for the differences between UK and US English.
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_and_British_English_spelling_differences 
>
>
> For example:
>
>    *-ce, -se*
>    For advice / advise and device / devise, American English and 
> British English both keep the
>    noun/verb distinction (where the pronunciation is -[s] for the noun 
> and -[z] for the verb).
>    For licence / license or practice / practise, British English also 
> keeps the noun/verb
>    distinction (the two words in each pair are homophones with -[s] 
> pronunciation, though). On
>    the other hand, American English uses license and practice for both 
> nouns and verbs (with
>    -[s] pronunciation in both cases too).
>
>    American English has kept the Anglo-French spelling for defense and 
> offense, which are
>    usually defence and offence in British English. Likewise, there are 
> the American pretense

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Larry Gusaas | 17 Jun 2012 02:33

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Re: spell checking - corrected

On 2012-06-16 5:50 PM webmaster-Kracked_P_P wrote:
> So I took out the offence spelling when it was correct.
>
> Maybe I should but it back in. 

Definitely.

Ah, the vagaries of the English language with different spellings and usages in different 
countries. Here in Canada we use mainly UK spellings although some are US e.g. tire instead of 
tyre.
For usage we use trunk instead of the UK boot, and hood instead of the UK bonnet. Plus a lot of 
words of Quebecois French origin (tuque).

Thanks for the work on the dictionaries. I appreciate having a larger word list.

PS: They work in Apache OpenOffice as well as LibreOffice.

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Marc Paré | 17 Jun 2012 11:16

Re: spell checking - corrected

Le 2012-06-16 20:33, Larry Gusaas a écrit :
> On 2012-06-16 5:50 PM webmaster-Kracked_P_P wrote:
>> So I took out the offence spelling when it was correct.
>>
>> Maybe I should but it back in.
>
> Definitely.
>
> Ah, the vagaries of the English language with different spellings and
> usages in different countries. Here in Canada we use mainly UK spellings
> although some are US e.g. tire instead of tyre.
> For usage we use trunk instead of the UK boot, and hood instead of the
> UK bonnet. Plus a lot of words of Quebecois French origin (tuque).
>
> Thanks for the work on the dictionaries. I appreciate having a larger
> word list.
>
> PS: They work in Apache OpenOffice as well as LibreOffice.
>
+1

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NoOp | 19 Jun 2012 05:36

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Re: spell checking - corrected

On 06/16/2012 05:33 PM, Larry Gusaas wrote:
> On 2012-06-16 5:50 PM webmaster-Kracked_P_P wrote:
>> So I took out the offence spelling when it was correct.
>> 
>> Maybe I should but it back in.
> 
> Definitely.
> 
> Ah, the vagaries of the English language with different spellings and
> usages in different countries. Here in Canada we use mainly UK
> spellings although some are US e.g. tire instead of tyre. For usage
> we use trunk instead of the UK boot, and hood instead of the UK
> bonnet. Plus a lot of words of Quebecois French origin (tuque).
> 
> Thanks for the work on the dictionaries. I appreciate having a larger
> word list.
> 
> PS: They work in Apache OpenOffice as well as LibreOffice.
> 

For some reason, I am somewhat wary of those:

http://libreoffice-na.us/English-3.5-installs/kpp-dictionaries.html
"The following are the word list sizes that will be available for the
different English languages that are part of the diffeerent "kpp"
English language sets:"

That, and the fact that no license (licence) nor attribution to the
original .dic and/or .aff etc., author(s) is provided.

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Tom Davies | 19 Jun 2012 10:11

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Re: Re: spell checking - corrected

Hi :)
If you do try using them then you might realise how good they are.  If you don't try them then you can only make
guesses.  

>From what i have seen on these lists we have had a lot of problems with the default dictionaries but only 1
with the ones on the NA site and that 1 was fixed within hours (possibly minutes) of being reported

Regards from
Tom :)  

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From: NoOp <glgxg <at> sbcglobal.net>
Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: spell checking - corrected
To: users <at> global.libreoffice.org
Date: Tuesday, 19 June, 2012, 4:36

On 06/16/2012 05:33 PM, Larry Gusaas wrote:
> On 2012-06-16 5:50 PM webmaster-Kracked_P_P wrote:
>> So I took out the offence spelling when it was correct.
>> 
>> Maybe I should but it back in.
> 
> Definitely.
> 
> Ah, the vagaries of the English language with different spellings and
> usages in different countries. Here in Canada we use mainly UK
> spellings although some are US e.g. tire instead of tyre. For usage
> we use trunk instead of the UK boot, and hood instead of the UK
> bonnet. Plus a lot of words of Quebecois French origin (tuque).

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NoOp | 19 Jun 2012 19:44

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Re: spell checking - corrected

On 06/19/2012 01:11 AM, Tom Davies wrote:
> Hi :) If you do try using them then you might realise how good they
> are.  If you don't try them then you can only make guesses.
> 
>> From what i have seen on these lists we have had a lot of problems
>> with the default dictionaries but only 1 with the ones on the NA
>> site and that 1 was fixed within hours (possibly minutes) of being
>> reported

Really? Have you actually looked at the .dic file?

<http://libreoffice-na.us/English-3.5-installs/add-on-dictionaries-large-list/kpp-british-english-dictionary-638k-word-list.oxt>
[downloaded this morning]

defence
defence's
defenceable
defenced
defenceless
defencelessly
defencelessness
defencelessness's
defencelessnesses
defenceman
defenceman's
defencemen
defences
defencing
defencive <==== looks like a 'c' to me

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Tom Davies | 19 Jun 2012 20:00

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Re: Re: spell checking - corrected

Hi :)
Weird.  I thought i remembered Tim saying he had fixed it but then suddenly a load of us kinda pounced on him
and created confusion.  

Still at least his dictionaries don't seem to be creating the types of breakages we are getting for the
default dictionaries!  We seem to get about 1 or 2 a week saying their spell-checker has stopped working
but we don't seem to get that issue when people have  switched to the ones from the NA site.  
Apols and regards from
Tom :)  

--- On Tue, 19/6/12, NoOp <glgxg <at> sbcglobal.net> wrote:

From: NoOp <glgxg <at> sbcglobal.net>
Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: spell checking - corrected
To: users <at> global.libreoffice.org
Date: Tuesday, 19 June, 2012, 18:44

On 06/19/2012 01:11 AM, Tom Davies wrote:
> Hi :) If you do try using them then you might realise how good they
> are.  If you don't try them then you can only make guesses.
> 
>> From what i have seen on these lists we have had a lot of problems
>> with the default dictionaries but only 1 with the ones on the NA
>> site and that 1 was fixed within hours (possibly minutes) of being
>> reported

Really? Have you actually looked at the .dic file?

<http://libreoffice-na.us/English-3.5-installs/add-on-dictionaries-large-list/kpp-british-english-dictionary-638k-word-list.oxt>
[downloaded this morning]

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Andrew Douglas Pitonyak | 17 Jun 2012 00:29

Re: Re: spell checking - corrected


On 06/16/2012 03:25 PM, webmaster-Kracked_P_P wrote:
> On 06/16/2012 02:50 PM, webmaster-Kracked_P_P wrote:
>> On 06/16/2012 02:26 PM, Larry Gusaas wrote:
>>> On 2012-06-16 11:04 AM webmaster-Kracked_P_P wrote:
>>>> See if this British [en-UK] English dictionary works for you.  It 
>>>> may be what you are looking for, or not.  But it does have over 
>>>> 638,000 words.  The original "master list" claimed to be British 
>>>> English, and not Oxford English. 
>>>
>>> I use your Canadian English 638K dictionary and it has the incorrect 
>>> spelling "defencive" and "offencive".
>>> The correct spelling is "defensive" and "offensive" in Canadian, UK, 
>>> and US English.
>>>
>>
>> Well I will check it out.
>>
>> The master list is not mine, but was gathered from several sources.  
>> I was told that the lists were 99.999% correct, since there cannot be 
>> a 100% in anything.
>>
>> Will get back to you.
>>
>>
>
> it is 3:18 pm local time
> If you wait till 3:25 local time
>
> my corrected Canadian and British .dic files will be uploaded for the

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NoOp | 19 Jun 2012 05:28

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Re: spell checking

On 06/16/2012 07:38 AM, Allen Myers wrote:
> Please, can you correct your spell checking program: UK English does NOT
> spell "defensive" and "offensive" with a "c" in place of the "s".
> 
> 

Where did you get this dictionary from?

Looking at the en_GB.dic file provided by LO 3.5 I see:

defence/52	1
defenceless/73	1
defend/10	1
defendant/2	1
defender/2	1
defenestrate/6	1
defenestration/2	1
defensibility/5	1
defensible/17	1
defensive/73	1 <==== no 'c' there

offence/9	1
offend/10	1
offended	1
offender/2	1
offensive/45	1 <==== no 'c' there either

en_US.dic shows the same:
defensive/239	1
offensive/36	1

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Anthony Easthope | 20 Jun 2012 00:12

Re: Re: spell checking

I found this problem a while ago as well but I found it was fixed with a
re installation of the dictionary packages so I suppose it might be a
good idea to re download them all again 

On Mon, Jun 18, 2012, at 08:28 PM, NoOp wrote:
> On 06/16/2012 07:38 AM, Allen Myers wrote:
> > Please, can you correct your spell checking program: UK English does NOT
> > spell "defensive" and "offensive" with a "c" in place of the "s".
> > 
> > 
> 
> Where did you get this dictionary from?
> 
> Looking at the en_GB.dic file provided by LO 3.5 I see:
> 
> defence/52      1
> defenceless/73  1
> defend/10       1
> defendant/2     1
> defender/2      1
> defenestrate/6  1
> defenestration/2        1
> defensibility/5 1
> defensible/17   1
> defensive/73    1 <==== no 'c' there
> 
> offence/9       1
> offend/10       1
> offended        1
> offender/2      1

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