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drew | 1 Jul 2011 18:24
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Re: Request for official statement about dedicated logos for community groups

On Fri, 2011-07-01 at 00:35 +0200, Bernhard Dippold wrote:
> Hi Florian, all
> 
> Florian Effenberger schrieb:
> > Hi Bernhard,
> >
> > Bernhard Dippold wrote on 2011-06-10 00.25:
> >> There has been a reply by Sophie, but I didn't make out any formal SC
> >> discussion or decision on this topic.
> >>
> >> As this covers more than just design and visual identity questions
> >> (definition of teams, how to advertise teams and external groups) I
> >> don't think that this decision should be left to any of the teams like
> >> marketing or design.

Hi Bernhard,

I agree - but why kick it to the SC - why not start the discussion on
the general discussion list and lets work out what it would mean to be a
local team - what general rules folks would want in place, what
responsibilities and requirements would be expected and the like.

IMO right now any decision about a logo policy is premature, whether it
is by your team, marketing or the SC, on this particular point - as
there is still no definition of what a local team is, what it can and
can not do. The use of a custom logo is only one piece of that.

I know that there never seems to be enough time for these kinds of
discussions, but that is never going to change - so speaking for myself
I would make time this coming week to actively engage in a discussion
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drew | 1 Jul 2011 18:35
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Re: Request for official statement about dedicated logos for community groups

Sorry guys that was supposed to be a draft - not a send...

On Fri, 2011-07-01 at 12:24 -0400, drew wrote:
> On Fri, 2011-07-01 at 00:35 +0200, Bernhard Dippold wrote:
> > Hi Florian, all
> > 
> > Florian Effenberger schrieb:
> > > Hi Bernhard,
> > >
> > > Bernhard Dippold wrote on 2011-06-10 00.25:
> > >> There has been a reply by Sophie, but I didn't make out any formal SC
> > >> discussion or decision on this topic.
> > >>
> > >> As this covers more than just design and visual identity questions
> > >> (definition of teams, how to advertise teams and external groups) I
> > >> don't think that this decision should be left to any of the teams like
> > >> marketing or design.
> 
> Hi Bernhard,
> 
> I agree - but why kick it to the SC - why not start the discussion on
> the general discussion list and lets work out what it would mean to be a
> local team - what general rules folks would want in place, what
> responsibilities and requirements would be expected and the like.
> 
> IMO right now any decision about a logo policy is premature, whether it
> is by your team, marketing or the SC, on this particular point - as
> there is still no definition of what a local team is, what it can and
> can not do. The use of a custom logo is only one piece of that.
>
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drew | 1 Jul 2011 19:24
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Re: Request for official statement about dedicated logos for community groups

So the finished email follows:

On Fri, 2011-07-01 at 12:35 -0400, drew wrote:
> Sorry guys that was supposed to be a draft - not a send...
> 
> On Fri, 2011-07-01 at 12:24 -0400, drew wrote:
> > On Fri, 2011-07-01 at 00:35 +0200, Bernhard Dippold wrote:
> > > Hi Florian, all
> > > 
> > > Florian Effenberger schrieb:
> > > > Hi Bernhard,
> > > >
> > > > Bernhard Dippold wrote on 2011-06-10 00.25:
> > > >> There has been a reply by Sophie, but I didn't make out any formal SC
> > > >> discussion or decision on this topic.
> > > >>
> > > >> As this covers more than just design and visual identity questions
> > > >> (definition of teams, how to advertise teams and external groups) I
> > > >> don't think that this decision should be left to any of the teams like
> > > >> marketing or design.
> > 
> > Hi Bernhard,
> > 
> > I agree - but why kick it to the SC - why not start the discussion on
> > the general discussion list and lets work out what it would mean to be a
> > local team - what general rules folks would want in place, what
> > responsibilities and requirements would be expected and the like.
> > 
> > IMO right now any decision about a logo policy is premature, whether it
> > is by your team, marketing or the SC, on this particular point - as
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Cor Nouws | 2 Jul 2011 00:21
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Re: Request for official statement about dedicated logos for community groups

Hi Drew,

Thanks for waking me up ;-)

drew wrote (01-07-11 19:24)
> It's also obvious that the clock is ticking on this issue, the folks in
> Paraguay are off and running from what I can see, folks (or folk) in
> Venezuela are eager to get going, the German team has always been in
> place and hold a dominate position in our organization precisely because
> they where able to form a strong team, focused on their specific and
> local concerns during the previous decade.

Without having looked at any details, I propose to consider a temporary 
solution.
The people need something, and obviously over time it will be all 
thought, worked out, and discussed. In order that they do not have to 
wait, we can allow them to use logo X for purpose Y just until the 
moment that we agreed on a more permanent solution, with a maximum of 12 
months (not too much stress on our selves ;-) )

Obviously, a temporary use is not perfect, and will give some wrong 
interpretation in some (corner) cases. But misinterpretation will be 
around in any case, if only because people do not read finely grained 
rules, or even consider the existence of such. And also, better some 
misunderstanding, than the bad of people not able to for their and ouw 
project what they want and need to do.

Just my 2 €c,

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Bernhard Dippold | 4 Jul 2011 21:14
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Re: Request for official statement about dedicated logos for community groups

Hi Drew, all

Just short:

I fully agree that the question of defining the LibreOffice teams and
dedicated parts of the community is important.

Only after this definition the question about dedicated logos should be
posed.

Even if I'll probably not be able contribute much to the thread, I
welcome your interest in this discussion.

In my first mail to this thread I already included some proposals how to
look at the different teams and groups. Just leave the logo parts out of
the quote:

I wrote:
>
> A) ... officially supported LibreOffice teams
> (defined by dedicated TDF resources like
> http://<team>.libreoffice.org website or <team> <at> libreoffice.org
> mailing list) ...
>
> B) ... LibreOffice conference ... similar to A), even if the
> conference team might not be given a website or mailing lists with
> the names mentioned in A).
>
> C) ... regional marketing teams ...  are officially approved by TDF
> and provided with <team> <at> marketing.libreoffice.org mailing lists ...
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