Discussions on LilyPond development

headers Karol Majewski | 9 Aug 2012 12:59

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Karol Majewski <karol.majewsky <at> gmail.com> writes:

> Dear LilyPond friends!
>
> I have to say something that keeps me awake at night: Current LilyPond
> flags look bad! They look so bad that I have to use straight flags
> instead. The big problem for me is that flags on a single note have
> different shapes. The lower flag is wider than
> flag above. I talked to Janek Warchoł and he said that this output is
> intentional and explained to me everything. However, those
> christmas-tree-flags (as I call them now) still make me sick, because
> they look inaccurate. Does anyone have the same feeling? And please
> take look at the atachment - this is how perfect flags should look
> like to me.

Well, your "perfect flags" look like braids or ornamental patterns that
are cut off at an arbitrary point.  They have some similarities to
Baroque or Rococo hair towers rather than an integral part of a
distinctive note shape composed with a focus on the note head as the
visual vortex of gravity.

At any rate: have you tried installing the Gonville fonts?  They are
supposed to have a different design.  I have no idea how that would make
the flags look, but then I am not all that interested in change.

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On Thu, Aug 9, 2012 at 1:25 PM, David Kastrup <dak <at> gnu.org> wrote:
> Karol Majewski <karol.majewsky <at> gmail.com> writes:
>
>> I talked to Janek Warchoł and he said that this output is
>> intentional and explained to me everything. However, those
>> christmas-tree-flags (as I call them now) still make me sick, [...]
>
> At any rate: have you tried installing the Gonville fonts?  They are
> supposed to have a different design.  I have no idea how that would make
> the flags look, but then I am not all that interested in change.

I believe that the proper way to go is to create a flexible font
substitution mechanism.  I mean, something more user-friendly than
manually replacing font files (i think Gonville uses something like
this?).  And more powerful, too - it would be great to be able to
replace only some glyphs, and compose a font from several components.
For example:
- take Feta as the basis
- apply Gonville on top of this (every glyph that is present in
Gonville is replaced, but if there's anything missing (e.g. some
accordion symbols), Lily falls back to Feta as the default)
- apply a special, user-made version of flags on top of this.

This would be cool.
I don't have time to write it, but if someone does, i'll review and test it.

cheers,
Janek

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Hi David. OK, maybe word "perfect" was inappropriate. And yes, I have tried
Gonville. I think that flags look good there (to be honest, for me almost
every "non-christmas-tree" flag looks better than current LilyPond Flags).
But there is one problem with Gonville - it doesn't support many glyphs that
I use - ie. accordion glyphs. And as far as i know, it is not possible to
combine both fonts.

Janek Warchoł made a new design yesterday. His flags are a lot better than
mine.

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On Thu, Aug 9, 2012 at 7:59 AM, Karol Majewski <karol.majewsky <at> gmail.com> wrote:
> Dear LilyPond friends!
>
> I have to say something that keeps me awake at night: Current LilyPond
> flags look bad! They look so bad that I have to use straight flags instead.
> The big problem for me is that flags on a single note have different
> shapes. The lower flag is wider than
> flag above. I talked to Janek Warchoł and he said that this output is
> intentional and explained to me everything. However, those
> christmas-tree-flags (as I call them now) still make me sick, because they
> look inaccurate. **Does anyone have the same feeling? And please take look
> at the atachment - this is how perfect flags should look like to me.

In your example, the top hook looks larger than the other ones,
especially in 32, 64 and 128, because it has nothing above it.

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Karol Majewski <karol.majewsky <at> gmail.com> writes:

> 
> Dear LilyPond friends!I have to say something that keeps me awake at night:
> Current LilyPond flags look bad! 

Yours look, ever so slightly, worse.
More like a computer drew them, 
and the short-note stems look as if they might fall over.

Karol Majewski <karol.majewsky <at> gmail.com> writes:

> 
> Dear LilyPond friends!I have to say something that keeps me awake at night: 
Current LilyPond flags look bad! They look so bad that I have to use straight 
flags instead. The big problem for me is that flags on a single note have 
different shapes.

Thanks for the report, Karol, and I'm sorry that
we (the bug squad) did not get back to you sooner.

From the responses it looks to me like this thread is
not going to lead an issue tracker.

Please let me know if you think there is still some
work to be tracked here.

Cheers,
Colin.

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