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Package management in MeeGo

Hello,

I would like to get some clarification about the package management
scheme in MeeGo:

* Why are Yum and Zypper both used? (at least in 1.0 that is)
* What are their roles?
* Would you think that upstream versions of both will be used in MeeGo
or will there be some new functionalities or additions?
* Will there be anything related to package management that's
exclusive to MeeGo only?

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Leaf John | 18 Jun 08:39

Re: Package management in MeeGo

Hi,

It seems that zypper works better as meego packages are generated by obs.......
It is merely my feeling.
wait for official answers.

Regars,
Leaf

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Michael Meeks | 21 Jun 17:43

Re: Package management in MeeGo

Hi Leaf,

On Fri, 2010-06-18 at 14:39 +0800, Leaf John wrote:
> It seems that zypper works better as meego packages are generated by obs.......
> It is merely my feeling.

	Ah - well, zypper doesn't work quite as well as it could (yet) sadly.
That is because we use a rather old and crusty version of 'rpm' itself.
If we use the latest SUSE version - we get Recommends: and Suggests:
With those we can simplify package splitting and accelerate building. As
an example for the nautilus package:

Meego:	Requires: gvfs-gphoto2
SUSE:	Recommends: gvfs

	That helps reduce build times, reduce the installation of un-necessary
packages, and (rather more importantly) allows distro updates to be done
pleasantly [zypper dup]. Recommends are rather useful to ensure a
consistent set of weak linkages, and a great way to ensure that packages
that are not (strictly) required are actually included and installed on
update[1]

	Anyhow 

	HTH,

		Michael.

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Arjan van de Ven | 18 Jun 08:40

Re: Package management in MeeGo

On 6/17/2010 11:36 PM, Aleksi Suomalainen wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I would like to get some clarification about the package management
> scheme in MeeGo:
>
> * Why are Yum and Zypper both used? (at least in 1.0 that is)
>    

because we wanted to give zypper a try, but also want to keep the solid 
fallback yum in place.

> * What are their roles?
>    

they from the backend of packagekit; packagekit is the component that 
abstracts the actual implementation
of the package downloader/installer from the rest of the system
> * Would you think that upstream versions of both will be used in MeeGo
> or will there be some new functionalities or additions?
>    

I doubt that in the short term we'll do anything exciting meego 
specific. I have some research ideas I'd like to get
done but that's somewhat more long term (if I can get resources, for 1.2)

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Sanjeet Kumar | 18 Jun 09:20

Re: Package management in MeeGo

zypper seems to be a good choice.

On Fri, Jun 18, 2010 at 12:10 PM, Arjan van de Ven <arjan-VuQAYsv1563Yd54FQh9/CA@public.gmane.org> wrote:

On 6/17/2010 11:36 PM, Aleksi Suomalainen wrote:
Hello,

I would like to get some clarification about the package management
scheme in MeeGo:

* Why are Yum and Zypper both used? (at least in 1.0 that is)

because we wanted to give zypper a try, but also want to keep the solid fallback yum in place.

* What are their roles?

they from the backend of packagekit; packagekit is the component that abstracts the actual implementation
of the package downloader/installer from the rest of the system

* Would you think that upstream versions of both will be used in MeeGo
or will there be some new functionalities or additions?

I doubt that in the short term we'll do anything exciting meego specific. I have some research ideas I'd like to get
done but that's somewhat more long term (if I can get resources, for 1.2)

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Leaf John | 18 Jun 09:46

Re: Package management in MeeGo

Hi,

Consider the consumers of MeeGo devices are probably not Linuxors as
us, they need more simple way to manage their softwares.
I think the ONE CLICK INSTALL from suse, which based on zypper & YaST
is more user friendly, thus  more suitable for MeeGo.

Regards,
Leaf

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Sanjeet Kumar | 18 Jun 12:04

Re: Package management in MeeGo

agreed with leaf john. one click install is really an easy and user friendly way...and should be used in meego.

On Fri, Jun 18, 2010 at 1:16 PM, Leaf John <leafjohn-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:

Hi,

Consider the consumers of MeeGo devices are probably not Linuxors as
us, they need more simple way to manage their softwares.
I think the ONE CLICK INSTALL from suse, which based on zypper & YaST
is more user friendly, thus more suitable for MeeGo.

Regards,
Leaf

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Yu, Max A | 22 Jun 08:34

Re: Package management in MeeGo

I have not investigated on SuSE's ONE CLICK INSTALL. Is it similiar to the following feature request?

http://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2917

Regards
Max (Xiaoyang)

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Subject: Re: [MeeGo-dev] Package management in MeeGo

agreed with leaf john. one click install is really an easy and user friendly way...and should be used in meego.

On Fri, Jun 18, 2010 at 1:16 PM, Leaf John <leafjohn-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:
Hi,

Consider the consumers of MeeGo devices are probably not Linuxors as
us, they need more simple way to manage their softwares.
I think the ONE CLICK INSTALL from suse, which based on zypper & YaST
is more user friendly, thus more suitable for MeeGo.

Regards,
Leaf

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Anas Nashif | 23 Jun 02:36

Re: Package management in MeeGo

http://en.opensuse.org/Standards/One_Click_Install

On 2010-06-22, at 2:34 AM, Yu, Max A wrote:

I have not investigated on SuSE's ONE CLICK INSTALL. Is it similiar to the following feature request?

http://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2917

Regards
Max (Xiaoyang)

Tel:+86.10.82171428 Fax:+86.10.82861407 iNet:87581428

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Sent: 2010年6月18日 18:04
To: Leaf John
Cc: meego-dev-WXzIur8shnEAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org
Subject: Re: [MeeGo-dev] Package management in MeeGo

agreed with leaf john. one click install is really an easy and user friendly way...and should be used in meego.

On Fri, Jun 18, 2010 at 1:16 PM, Leaf John <leafjohn-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:
Hi,

Consider the consumers of MeeGo devices are probably not Linuxors as
us, they need more simple way to manage their softwares.
I think the ONE CLICK INSTALL from suse, which based on zypper & YaST
is more user friendly, thus more suitable for MeeGo.

Regards,
Leaf

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Yu, Max A | 23 Jun 05:00

Re: Package management in MeeGo

Thanks for the link for One Click Install. I like it!

Best Regards, Max (Xiaoyang)

The content of this message is my personal opinion only and although
I am an employee of Intel, the statements I make here in no way
represent Intel's position on the issue, nor am I authorized to speak
on behalf of Intel on this matter.


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	From: meego-dev-bounces <at> meego.com [mailto:meego-dev-bounces <at> meego.com] On Behalf Of Anas Nashif
	Sent: 2010年6月23日 8:36
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	Subject: Re: [MeeGo-dev] Package management in MeeGo
	
	
	http://en.opensuse.org/Standards/One_Click_Install 

	
	
	On 2010-06-22, at 2:34 AM, Yu, Max A wrote:


		I have not investigated on SuSE's ONE CLICK INSTALL. Is it similiar to the following feature request?
		 
		http://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2917

		 
		Regards
		Max (Xiaoyang)
		
		Tel:+86.10.82171428 Fax:+86.10.82861407 iNet:87581428
		
				 


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			From: meego-dev-bounces <at> meego.com [mailto:meego-dev-bounces <at> meego.com] On Behalf Of Sanjeet Kumar
			Sent: 2010年6月18日 18:04
			To: Leaf John
			Cc: meego-dev <at> meego.com
			Subject: Re: [MeeGo-dev] Package management in MeeGo
			
			
			agreed with leaf john. one click install is really an easy and user friendly way...and should be used in meego.
			
			
			On Fri, Jun 18, 2010 at 1:16 PM, Leaf John <leafjohn <at> gmail.com> wrote:
			

				Hi,
				
				Consider the consumers of MeeGo devices are probably not Linuxors as
				us, they need more simple way to manage their softwares.
				I think the ONE CLICK INSTALL from suse, which based on zypper & YaST
				is more user friendly, thus  more suitable for MeeGo.
				
				Regards,
				Leaf
				
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Arjan van de Ven | 18 Jun 16:15

Re: Package management in MeeGo

On 6/18/2010 12:46 AM, Leaf John wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Consider the consumers of MeeGo devices are probably not Linuxors as
> us, they need more simple way to manage their softwares.
> I think the ONE CLICK INSTALL from suse, which based on zypper&  YaST
> is more user friendly, thus  more suitable for MeeGo.
>    

all of this uses packagekit, and is independent of the actual low level 
components used.