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Bro. Craig Beeman | 14 Dec 2011 15:37

Datebk on iPhone now possible?


http://www.phonesreview.co.uk/2011/12/14/rebuild-palm-os-apps-for-iphone-with-styletap-ios-wrapper-sdk/

Could this b our long awaited answer?

Bro. Craig

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Marcia Sue Clever | 16 Dec 2011 18:34

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Re: Datebk on iPhone now possible?

I just read the article...Thanks! I still do not hold out hope. The developer of DateBook has held firm and
fast that he will NOT develop for the iPhone or iPad under ANY circumstance. I'd love him to reconsider, I
ask every 6-12 months, but  the answer has been a consistent NO.

Sent from Marcia Sue Clever MD iPhone

On Dec 14, 2011, at 9:37, "Bro. Craig Beeman" <BroCraig@...> wrote:

> 
> http://www.phonesreview.co.uk/2011/12/14/rebuild-palm-os-apps-for-iphone-with-styletap-ios-wrapper-sdk/
> 
> Could this b our long awaited answer?
> 
> Bro. Craig
> 
> .........................
> This was sent from my MacBook Pro.
> BroCraigB@...
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> 
> 

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goldwings | 16 Dec 2011 18:42

Re: Datebk on iPhone now possible?

I have had the same response from him. There is a absolute no on developing 
datebook for the iPhone or iPad. This is in a very large way due to Apple 
restrictions.

Apple does not allow you to develop an application that competes with their 
own and this includes their very crappy calendar.

I no longer use my palm although I still have it on my table and I recharge 
the batteries when they get low but I am 99.9999999% on a iPhone now. The 
only thing I look at my palm for is to look at what week of the year it is.

David Sawyer
K1DRS -.- .---- -.. .-. ...
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http://www.davesgoldwing.com
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Sent: Friday, December 16, 2011 9:34 AM
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>I just read the article...Thanks! I still do not hold out hope. The 
>developer of DateBook has held firm and fast that he will NOT develop for 
>the iPhone or iPad under ANY circumstance. I'd love him to reconsider, I 
>ask every 6-12 months, but  the answer has been a consistent NO.
>
> Sent from Marcia Sue Clever MD iPhone
>
> On Dec 14, 2011, at 9:37, "Bro. Craig Beeman" <BroCraig@...> 
> wrote:

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Sandy Sawyer | 16 Dec 2011 19:53

RE: Datebk on iPhone now possible?

Be sure to continue to enter important dates in your Palm because iPhone does not search back farther than
about a year. It will, at least, give you a good data base.

Datebk still does so many things so much easier than iPhone that I still try to keep it up to date and charged.  I
also have an extra T/X in storage that I bought as a backup when I found out they were going to stop making Palm pdas.

I also miss the writing capabilities and the editable dictionary that completed words and phrases that I
had added.  Also the ability to edit, copy and paste so easily.  

As you can tell, I really miss using it full time.

Sandy

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Sent: Friday, December 16, 2011 11:42 AM
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Subject: Re: [pdbk] Datebk on iPhone now possible?

I have had the same response from him. There is a absolute no on developing 
datebook for the iPhone or iPad. This is in a very large way due to Apple 
restrictions.

Apple does not allow you to develop an application that competes with their

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Martin N | 16 Dec 2011 21:58

RE: Datebk on iPhone now possible?

Lo,

At 18:53 16/12/2011, you wrote:
>
>
>Be sure to continue to enter important dates in your Palm because 
>iPhone does not search back farther than about a year. It will, at 
>least, give you a good data base.
>
>Datebk still does so many things so much easier than iPhone that I 
>still try to keep it up to date and charged. I also have an extra 
>T/X in storage that I bought as a backup when I found out they were 
>going to stop making Palm pdas.

Yeah i bought a second TX for datebk6 and handyshopper.

I carry both the TX and my Pre3 smartphone.

Martin N

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Moshe Feder | 16 Dec 2011 20:00

Re: Datebk on iPhone now possible?

On Dec 16, 2011, at 12:42 PM, "goldwings"
<goldwings@...> wrote:

> I have had the same response from him. There is a absolute no on developing 
> datebook for the iPhone or iPad. This is in a very large way due to Apple 
> restrictions.
> 
> Apple does not allow you to develop an application that competes with their 
> own and this includes their very crappy calendar.
> 

I share your frustration that CESD feels he and Apple could never achieve a modus vivendi. Since I love my
iPad, but still miss DateBk, I too have written to him directly, asking him to reconsider his decision or to
work with an established Mac/iOS developer to port DateBk and Pimlical to those platforms. 

It will truly be a shame if CESD sticks to his decision, both for those of us who have appreciated his software
designs, and for the good cause his work supports, which will miss the potential funding that could be
extracted from a universe of iOS users that is far larger than the Palm platform ever achieved.

However, your allegation that Apple always prohibits development of apps that compete with their own is
mistaken. A quick visit to the App Store will reveal numerous competitors to Apple's default camera and
music player apps, for example. As for apps with different kinds of calendar functions, a simple search on
the term "calendar" results in 3,188 hits for the iPhone and 991 for the iPad. Many of these aren't relevant
to what we'd want, but plenty are. Indeed, members of this mailing list have often discussed such apps as
Pocket Informant here. PI is aimed at the same uses as DateBk and is undeniably a direct (and superior)
competitor to Apple's Calendar app. That's why I'm convinced that there's no insurmountable reason
there couldn't be an iOS version of DateBk.

Moshe

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Sandy Sawyer | 16 Dec 2011 20:04

RE: Datebk on iPhone now possible?

WebIs, (Pocket Informant) tells me that they are in a constant struggle with
Apple.  I use PI but it has conflict problems that they keep trying to work
out.

Sandy

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From: pimlicodatebk@... [mailto:pimlicodatebk@...]
On Behalf Of Moshe Feder
Sent: Friday, December 16, 2011 1:00 PM
To: pimlicodatebk@...
Subject: Re: [pdbk] Datebk on iPhone now possible?

On Dec 16, 2011, at 12:42 PM, "goldwings" <goldwings@...
<mailto:goldwings%40davesgoldwing.com> > wrote:

> I have had the same response from him. There is a absolute no on
developing 
> datebook for the iPhone or iPad. This is in a very large way due to Apple 
> restrictions.
> 
> Apple does not allow you to develop an application that competes with
their 
> own and this includes their very crappy calendar.
>

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Moshe Feder | 16 Dec 2011 20:32

Re: Datebk on iPhone now possible?

On Dec 16, 2011, at 2:04 PM, Sandy Sawyer wrote:

> WebIs, (Pocket Informant) tells me that they are in a constant struggle with
> Apple. I use PI but it has conflict problems that they keep trying to work
> out.

Although I don't use the app, I hope they succeed. It would be interesting to know more about what the issues are.

Whatever the problems, it hasn't kept them from reaching version 2.02 in their iPhone version and 1.68 in
their iPad version. Nor has it prevented the app from being, to quote their own copy, "#4 in sales for all
mobile apps for several years running." If competition were really the root issue on Apple's side, I don't
think that could have happened.

Moshe

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Sandy Sawyer | 16 Dec 2011 20:50

RE: Datebk on iPhone now possible?

I agree, it isn't about competition, it's about the architecture
restrictions of the Apple devices and the parameters that Apple sets for
their own OS that create conflicts.  The newest update, OS 5, has caused
some issues so far.

Sandy Sawyer, ASID, RID

Sandy Sawyer Associates

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On Behalf Of Moshe Feder
Sent: Friday, December 16, 2011 1:32 PM
To: pimlicodatebk@...
Subject: Re: [pdbk] Datebk on iPhone now possible?

On Dec 16, 2011, at 2:04 PM, Sandy Sawyer wrote:

> WebIs, (Pocket Informant) tells me that they are in a constant struggle
with
> Apple. I use PI but it has conflict problems that they keep trying to work
> out.

Although I don't use the app, I hope they succeed. It would be interesting
to know more about what the issues are.

Whatever the problems, it hasn't kept them from reaching version 2.02 in
their iPhone version and 1.68 in their iPad version. Nor has it prevented
the app from being, to quote their own copy, "#4 in sales for all mobile

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Voytek | 16 Dec 2011 22:39

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Re: Datebk on iPhone now possible?

On Sat, December 17, 2011 4:42 am, goldwings wrote:

> Apple does not allow you to develop an application that competes with
> their own and this includes their very crappy calendar.

wasn't it more to do with allowing direct access to internal database ????
and, lack lack of APIs ????

> I no longer use my palm although I still have it on my table and I
> recharge the batteries when they get low but I am 99.9999999% on a iPhone
> now. The only thing I look at my palm for is to look at what week of the
> year it is.

even though I now have Android mobile, and, Android tablet, I still use
Palm, primarily for DateBk

email I mainly use Android, though, server searching on Snapper is still
NOT available on Android (I think ?)

out of curiousness, I installed PI (as it was available on Amazon) (but
haven't really looked beyond covers as yet)

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Sandy Sawyer | 17 Dec 2011 07:04

RE: Datebk on iPhone now possible?

PI is excellent, the closest I have found to Datebk - although nothing can
touch that.

S

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Sandy Sawyer Associates

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From: pimlicodatebk@... [mailto:pimlicodatebk@...]
On Behalf Of Voytek
Sent: Friday, December 16, 2011 3:39 PM
To: pimlicodatebk@...
Subject: Re: [pdbk] Datebk on iPhone now possible?

On Sat, December 17, 2011 4:42 am, goldwings wrote:

> Apple does not allow you to develop an application that competes with
> their own and this includes their very crappy calendar.

wasn't it more to do with allowing direct access to internal database ????
and, lack lack of APIs ????

> I no longer use my palm although I still have it on my table and I
> recharge the batteries when they get low but I am 99.9999999% on a iPhone
> now. The only thing I look at my palm for is to look at what week of the
> year it is.

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hyperscheduler | 21 Dec 2011 18:32

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Re: Datebk on iPhone now possible?

I agree that the omission of Pimlical for the iPhone is an EPIC mistake, but we need to get our facts straight. 
One of the factors against making Pimlical for the iPhone is that Apple does NOT inform developers ahead of
time whether the new program will be accepted by the App Store.  Therefore, there is a risk that multiple
years of developing Pimlical for the iPhone could go down the drain *after* spending so much time working
on it.

Pimlical for the iPhone. . . the idea that just won't go away. . . 

Best,

HyperScheduler

--- In pimlicodatebk@..., "Voytek" <voytek <at> ...> wrote:
>
> On Sat, December 17, 2011 4:42 am, goldwings wrote:
> 
> > Apple does not allow you to develop an application that competes with
> > their own and this includes their very crappy calendar.
> 
> wasn't it more to do with allowing direct access to internal database ????
> and, lack lack of APIs ????
> 
> 
> > I no longer use my palm although I still have it on my table and I
> > recharge the batteries when they get low but I am 99.9999999% on a iPhone
> > now. The only thing I look at my palm for is to look at what week of the
> > year it is.
> 
> even though I now have Android mobile, and, Android tablet, I still use

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Ernst Michael Reicher | 17 Dec 2011 18:54

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Re: Datebk on iPhone now possible?

I switched to iPhone after long years of Palm&dateBook.

That:
> Apple does not allow you to develop an application that competes with their 
> own and this includes their very crappy calendar.

can´t be quite true.
Just have a look a the appstore and try to count the large number of calendar apps.

After I tried a lot of them - ourgh awfull ones - I´m using "weekcalendar".
It´s not dateBook but its quite good!!

> The only thing I look at my palm for is to look at what week of the year it is.

???!?!?!?! are you kidding??? that´s no chalange for weekcalendar..... 

Regards,
        Ernst

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dndrich | 18 Dec 2011 20:34

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Re: Datebk on iPhone now possible?

I would second the vote for Week Calendar on iPhone. It is only $1.99. It does everything that I used to do on
Datebk6, and in some ways better. It has templates, custom colors, icons, and many other features. I did
not use the todos or contact management of Datebk6. The more integrated PIM for iPhone is Pocket
Informant. But Pocket Informant calendar in some ways is not as good as Week Calendar. No, Week Calendar
does some things better than Datebk6, because it can sync directly with Google Calendar, allowing me to
monitor many calendars at once, and easily customize my views. This is no weakness of Datebk6 in the sense
that in it's day, Datebk6 was stuck with Palm OS which did not have the cloud based capabilities we now have.
I was using Datebk6 on the Palm Pre with the emulator until a calendar came along for iOS that would meet my
needs. The most important thing for me is the templates, and once Week Calendar came out with that, I made
the switch to iPhone. iPhone is truly terrific, I have to say. Week Calendar finally gets me back to where I
need to be from a scheduling and business standpoint.

--- In pimlicodatebk@..., Ernst Michael Reicher
<e.reicher <at> ...> wrote:
>
> I switched to iPhone after long years of Palm&dateBook.
> 
> That:
> > Apple does not allow you to develop an application that competes with their 
> > own and this includes their very crappy calendar.
> 
> can´t be quite true.
> Just have a look a the appstore and try to count the large number of calendar apps.
> 
> After I tried a lot of them - ourgh awfull ones - I´m using "weekcalendar".
> It´s not dateBook but its quite good!!
> 
> > The only thing I look at my palm for is to look at what week of the year it is.
> 
> ???!?!?!?! are you kidding??? that´s no chalange for weekcalendar.....

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Martin N | 18 Dec 2011 21:54

Re: Re: Datebk on iPhone now possible?

Lo,

At 19:34 18/12/2011, you wrote:
>
>

><snip>

>  Datebk6 was stuck with Palm OS which did not have the cloud based 
> capabilities we now have. I was using Datebk6 on the Palm Pre with 
> the emulator until a calendar came along for iOS that would meet my needs.

Do you have the steps to get datebk6 working on the classic emulator?

I have tried getting it working on the pre1 but didn't succeed.
It would mean i have a use for my old pre1

thanks

Martin N

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Sandy Sawyer | 18 Dec 2011 22:04

RE: Re: Datebk on iPhone now possible?

Does Week Calendar sync with Outlook on a PC?

Sandy

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From: pimlicodatebk@... [mailto:pimlicodatebk@...]
On Behalf Of dndrich
Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2011 1:34 PM
To: pimlicodatebk@...
Subject: [pdbk] Re: Datebk on iPhone now possible?

I would second the vote for Week Calendar on iPhone. It is only $1.99. It
does everything that I used to do on Datebk6, and in some ways better. It
has templates, custom colors, icons, and many other features. I did not use
the todos or contact management of Datebk6. The more integrated PIM for
iPhone is Pocket Informant. But Pocket Informant calendar in some ways is
not as good as Week Calendar. No, Week Calendar does some things better than
Datebk6, because it can sync directly with Google Calendar, allowing me to
monitor many calendars at once, and easily customize my views. This is no
weakness of Datebk6 in the sense that in it's day, Datebk6 was stuck with
Palm OS which did not have the cloud based capabilities we now have. I was
using Datebk6 on the Palm Pre with the emulator until a calendar came along
for iOS that would meet my needs. The most important thing for me is the
templates, and once Week Calendar came out with that, I made the switch to
iPhone. iPhone is truly terrific, I have to say. Week Calendar finally gets

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Stephen R. Saklad, Pharm.D., BCPP | 18 Dec 2011 22:19

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Re: Re: Datebk on iPhone now possible?

Week Calendar uses the standard CalDev calendar that the built-in iPhone calendar uses. Syncing with
Outlook or Google Calendar is the same as using the default iPhone calendar program. Week Calendar is just
a different user interface to the same underlying database (and uses more features of that database than
the built-in apps).

If you are not on Android and using Pilmical, Week Calendar is the best I've seen on an iPhone.

On Dec 18, 2011, at 15:04, Sandy Sawyer wrote:

> Does Week Calendar sync with Outlook on a PC?
> 
> 
> 
> Sandy
> 
> 
> 
> Sandy Sawyer, ASID, RID
> 
> Sandy Sawyer Associates
> 
> ssadesign@...
> 
> 
> 
> From: pimlicodatebk@... [mailto:pimlicodatebk@...]
> On Behalf Of dndrich
> Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2011 1:34 PM
> To: pimlicodatebk@...
> Subject: [pdbk] Re: Datebk on iPhone now possible?

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Richard Davisson | 18 Dec 2011 23:17

Re: Re: Datebk on iPhone now possible?

Proud of your titles aren't ya! :)
On Dec 18, 2011 4:19 PM, "Stephen R. Saklad, Pharm.D., BCPP" <
saklad@...> wrote:

> **
>
>
> Week Calendar uses the standard CalDev calendar that the built-in iPhone
> calendar uses. Syncing with Outlook or Google Calendar is the same as using
> the default iPhone calendar program. Week Calendar is just a different user
> interface to the same underlying database (and uses more features of that
> database than the built-in apps).
>
> If you are not on Android and using Pilmical, Week Calendar is the best
> I've seen on an iPhone.
>
> On Dec 18, 2011, at 15:04, Sandy Sawyer wrote:
>
> > Does Week Calendar sync with Outlook on a PC?
> >
> >
> >
> > Sandy
> >
> >
> >
> > Sandy Sawyer, ASID, RID
> >
> > Sandy Sawyer Associates
> >

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Sandy Sawyer | 18 Dec 2011 23:43

RE: Re: Datebk on iPhone now possible?

Sorry.  That is my standard "stationary" on outlook email - used mostly for
business and I have to remember to delete it.

Sandy

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From: pimlicodatebk@... [mailto:pimlicodatebk@...]
On Behalf Of Richard Davisson
Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2011 4:17 PM
To: pimlicodatebk@...
Subject: Re: [pdbk] Re: Datebk on iPhone now possible?

Proud of your titles aren't ya! :)
On Dec 18, 2011 4:19 PM, "Stephen R. Saklad, Pharm.D., BCPP" <
saklad@...> wrote:

> **
>
>
> Week Calendar uses the standard CalDev calendar that the built-in iPhone
> calendar uses. Syncing with Outlook or Google Calendar is the same as
using
> the default iPhone calendar program. Week Calendar is just a different
user
> interface to the same underlying database (and uses more features of that
> database than the built-in apps).
>
> If you are not on Android and using Pilmical, Week Calendar is the best
> I've seen on an iPhone.
>

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Sandy Sawyer | 30 Dec 2011 05:10

RE: Re: Datebk on iPhone now possible?

I think I repeat myself, but does Week Calendar sync with Microsoft Outlook?

Sandy

From: pimlicodatebk@... [mailto:pimlicodatebk@...]
On Behalf Of dndrich
Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2011 1:34 PM
To: pimlicodatebk@...
Subject: [pdbk] Re: Datebk on iPhone now possible?

I would second the vote for Week Calendar on iPhone. It is only $1.99. It
does everything that I used to do on Datebk6, and in some ways better. It
has templates, custom colors, icons, and many other features. I did not use
the todos or contact management of Datebk6. The more integrated PIM for
iPhone is Pocket Informant. But Pocket Informant calendar in some ways is
not as good as Week Calendar. No, Week Calendar does some things better than
Datebk6, because it can sync directly with Google Calendar, allowing me to
monitor many calendars at once, and easily customize my views. This is no
weakness of Datebk6 in the sense that in it's day, Datebk6 was stuck with
Palm OS which did not have the cloud based capabilities we now have. I was
using Datebk6 on the Palm Pre with the emulator until a calendar came along
for iOS that would meet my needs. The most important thing for me is the
templates, and once Week Calendar came out with that, I made the switch to
iPhone. iPhone is truly terrific, I have to say. Week Calendar finally gets
me back to where I need to be from a scheduling and business standpoint.

--- In pimlicodatebk@...
<mailto:pimlicodatebk%40yahoogroups.com> , Ernst Michael Reicher
<e.reicher <at> ...> wrote:
>

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Ryan Waldon | 30 Dec 2011 06:36

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Re: Re: Datebk on iPhone now possible?

Week Calendar itself doesn't have to sync with Outlook. It uses the built in calendar's database which can
sync with Outlook.

--ryan

Sent from my Apple iPad 2 

On Dec 29, 2011, at 23:10, "Sandy Sawyer" <ssadesign@...> wrote:

> I think I repeat myself, but does Week Calendar sync with Microsoft Outlook?
> 
> 
> 
> Sandy
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: pimlicodatebk@... [mailto:pimlicodatebk@...]
> On Behalf Of dndrich
> Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2011 1:34 PM
> To: pimlicodatebk@...
> Subject: [pdbk] Re: Datebk on iPhone now possible?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> I would second the vote for Week Calendar on iPhone. It is only $1.99. It

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Sandy Sawyer | 30 Dec 2011 06:40

RE: Re: Datebk on iPhone now possible?

How then does it sync all the additional features and capabilities that Week Calendar has that the built in
calendar doesn’t have?

Sandy

From: pimlicodatebk@...
[mailto:pimlicodatebk@...] On Behalf Of Ryan Waldon
Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2011 11:37 PM
To: pimlicodatebk@...
Subject: Re: [pdbk] Re: Datebk on iPhone now possible?

Week Calendar itself doesn't have to sync with Outlook. It uses the built in calendar's database which can
sync with Outlook.

--ryan

Sent from my Apple iPad 2 

On Dec 29, 2011, at 23:10, "Sandy Sawyer" <ssadesign@...
<mailto:ssadesign%40pdq.net> > wrote:

> I think I repeat myself, but does Week Calendar sync with Microsoft Outlook?
> 
> 
> 
> Sandy
> 
> 
> 
>

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Ryan Waldon | 30 Dec 2011 06:56

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Re: Re: Datebk on iPhone now possible?

Look here:

< http://www.utilitap.com/weekcalendar/faq.php?item=outlook >

--ryan

Sent from my Apple iPad 2 

On Dec 30, 2011, at 0:40, "Sandy Sawyer" <ssadesign@...> wrote:

> How then does it sync all the additional features and capabilities that Week Calendar has that the built in
calendar doesn’t have?
> 
> 
> 
> Sandy
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: pimlicodatebk@...
[mailto:pimlicodatebk@...] On Behalf Of Ryan Waldon
> Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2011 11:37 PM
> To: pimlicodatebk@...
> Subject: Re: [pdbk] Re: Datebk on iPhone now possible?
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