Sam Lennon | 6 Jan 03:28 2010
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TAATOOL Usage in Production Code

In a prior job I also used some of the TAATOOLs commands (the commercial 
product) in production jobs. My current boss prefers that we don't code 
the TAATOOLs commands directly, but extract the source and add them to 
our libraries. I'd much rather use them directly from the TAATOOL 
library and I'd like your opinions.

Questions to TAATOOL users:

1) Do you use TAATOOLs directly in PRODUCTION code?

or

2) Do you extract the source and absorb the tool into your own code?

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carl j novit | 6 Jan 22:58 2010

Re: TAATOOL Usage in Production Code

We use the tools directly.

If they update their code, you won't have the latest version unless you go 
back and modify all of your code.

  Thanks,

   Carl

From:   Sam Lennon <lennon_s_j@...>
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Date:   01/06/2010 04:48 PM
Subject:        TAATOOL Usage in Production Code
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In a prior job I also used some of the TAATOOLs commands (the commercial 
product) in production jobs. My current boss prefers that we don't code 
the TAATOOLs commands directly, but extract the source and add them to 
our libraries. I'd much rather use them directly from the TAATOOL 
library and I'd like your opinions.

Questions to TAATOOL users:

1) Do you use TAATOOLs directly in PRODUCTION code?

or

2) Do you extract the source and absorb the tool into your own code?

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Jeff Crosby | 6 Jan 22:57 2010

Re: TAATOOL Usage in Production Code

I use directly in production code.

On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 9:28 PM, Sam Lennon <lennon_s_j@...> wrote:

> In a prior job I also used some of the TAATOOLs commands (the commercial
> product) in production jobs. My current boss prefers that we don't code
> the TAATOOLs commands directly, but extract the source and add them to
> our libraries. I'd much rather use them directly from the TAATOOL
> library and I'd like your opinions.
>
> Questions to TAATOOL users:
>
> 1) Do you use TAATOOLs directly in PRODUCTION code?
>
> or
>
> 2) Do you extract the source and absorb the tool into your own code?
>
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Graap, Kenneth | 6 Jan 23:06 2010

RE: TAATOOL Usage in Production Code

I use the product commands directly...

When there is a release upgrade you TAATOOLS and everything works!

If there is a problem with any of the code, I get full support from TAATOOL too.

Kenneth
Kenneth E. Graap
http://www.linkedin.com/in/kennethgraap

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Subject: TAATOOL Usage in Production Code

In a prior job I also used some of the TAATOOLs commands (the commercial
product) in production jobs. My current boss prefers that we don't code the TAATOOLs commands directly,
but extract the source and add them to our libraries. I'd much rather use them directly from the TAATOOL
library and I'd like your opinions.

Questions to TAATOOL users:

1) Do you use TAATOOLs directly in PRODUCTION code?

or

2) Do you extract the source and absorb the tool into your own code?

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rob | 7 Jan 14:44 2010

RE: TAATOOL Usage in Production Code

And trust me, stuff changes.  I think when IBM upped the number of spool 
files a job can have they had to change the number of digits is just one 
small example.

Rob Berendt
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Dock 108
6928N 400E
Kendallville, IN 46755
http://www.dekko.com

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I use the product commands directly...

When there is a release upgrade you TAATOOLS and everything works!

If there is a problem with any of the code, I get full support from 
TAATOOL too.

Kenneth
Kenneth E. Graap
http://www.linkedin.com/in/kennethgraap
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Dennis Lovelady | 7 Jan 15:11 2010

RE: TAATOOL Usage in Production Code

> And trust me, stuff changes.  I think when IBM upped the number of
> spool
> files a job can have they had to change the number of digits is just
> one
> small example.

Yes, this is the problem I have with the TAATOOLS set of helpers.  There are
tons of great ideas implemented within TAATOOL, but none of them (last I
looked, about three years ago) has ever been improved to take advantage of
system-supplied APIs.  I do realize (and remember) that TAATOOLS predated
those APIs.  They filled a huge gap, but it's like they never were
interested in the more efficient and reliable approach. There's money
involved now, and I cannot see the justification, given the hassle and the
inefficiencies of "the TAA approach."   Even long after APIs were available,
new TAA tools did not take advantage of them.  I hope they've changed that
practice.

I have my own set of tools - some similar to the TAA set but with
enhancements - and mine take full advantage of system-supplied APIs.  It's
worth the effort.

Dennis Lovelady
http://www.linkedin.com/in/dennislovelady
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Don | 7 Jan 02:48 2010
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RE: TAATOOL Usage in Production Code

Sam,

It depends.  

Yes we have clients that use TAATools.  USUALLY compile the commands and run
it from there.  

BUT, I have been known to glom the code for other purposes at a site that
has a license to the tools...

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From: midrange-l-bounces@...
[mailto:midrange-l-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Sam Lennon
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To: midrange-l@...
Subject: TAATOOL Usage in Production Code

In a prior job I also used some of the TAATOOLs commands (the commercial 
product) in production jobs. My current boss prefers that we don't code 
the TAATOOLs commands directly, but extract the source and add them to 
our libraries. I'd much rather use them directly from the TAATOOL 
library and I'd like your opinions.

Questions to TAATOOL users:

1) Do you use TAATOOLs directly in PRODUCTION code?

or

2) Do you extract the source and absorb the tool into your own code?
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Paul E. Fenstermacher | 7 Jan 15:19 2010

RE: TAATOOL Usage in Production Code

We've used the TAATOOLS for years and any issues are handled promptly by
Mr. Sloan.   There is no need to extract the source because the objects
are already on your system, it's no different than any of the other
thousands of third party applications.

Paul Fenstermacher 
Certified Specialist - i5 System Administration 
Bass Pro Shops 
417-873-5424 d 
417-429-7694 c 
paulf@... 

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Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 8:28 PM
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Subject: TAATOOL Usage in Production Code

In a prior job I also used some of the TAATOOLs commands (the commercial

product) in production jobs. My current boss prefers that we don't code 
the TAATOOLs commands directly, but extract the source and add them to 
our libraries. I'd much rather use them directly from the TAATOOL 
library and I'd like your opinions.

Questions to TAATOOL users:

1) Do you use TAATOOLs directly in PRODUCTION code?

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Rowe, Sheri | 7 Jan 16:08 2010

RE: TAATOOL Usage in Production Code

We use it directly from production too, and if we did not renew the
license a LOT of our code would stop working. But it is so reasonably
prices why would you think of not renewing?

Sheri 

Timex Group Canada Inc.

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From: Sam Lennon [mailto:lennon_s_j@...] 
Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 9:28 PM
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Subject: TAATOOL Usage in Production Code

In a prior job I also used some of the TAATOOLs commands (the commercial

product) in production jobs. My current boss prefers that we don't code 
the TAATOOLs commands directly, but extract the source and add them to 
our libraries. I'd much rather use them directly from the TAATOOL 
library and I'd like your opinions.

Questions to TAATOOL users:

1) Do you use TAATOOLs directly in PRODUCTION code?

or

2) Do you extract the source and absorb the tool into your own code?

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rob | 7 Jan 16:37 2010

RE: TAATOOL Usage in Production Code

So, if you had an ERP system from Vendor X and they shipped you two 
libraries:
ERPSOURCE
ERPOBJECT
and your original library was HOMEGROWN would you copy stuff out of 
ERPSOURCE into HOMEGROWN and recompile it into HOMEGROWN or would you just 
add ERPOBJECT to the appropriate library lists?  Why treat TAATOOLS any 
different?

On our system:
DSPJOBD GDIDIVO/BPCSJOBD
Sequence                   Sequence 
 number   Library           number   Library 
    10    GDISHPO             120    GDILOGF 
    20    GDIRCVO             130    ROUTINES 
    30    ACTINTO             140    EDICODES 
    40    GDIDIVF             150    TAATOOL 
    50    GDIDIVO             160    TLABARCODE
    60    DTIRCSO             170    DGECAMF 
    70    DTIRCSF             180    QGPL 
    80    EDIMFGCD            190    QTEMP 
    90    BPCSCDPTF1 
   100    BPCS405CDO 
   110    GDIDIVQ 

If we just HAVE to customize something out of TAATOOL we might put it into 
ROUTINES.

Rob Berendt
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