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cdb | 11 May 14:01

[OT] I wish to murder the extremely English language and any extremely gramaticals therewith

 The Employer

Our client is an international company that specialises in medical and 
life science products and equipment. Their reach here in Australia is 
national with a presence in all major cities for both sales, service 
and distribution. Their brand name is recognised globally and they 
have the ability to leverage of that and get them selves through the 
door of all their major clients. Their diagnostic division has been 
around for an extremely long time and they continue to invest in 
continuous product improvement ensuring they stay at the head of the 
pact. They have an extremely corporate profile that encourages ongoing 
training and development for their staff and ensure that your working 
experience is a positive one.

The Vacant Position

The position currently available is for an extremely stable team based 
out of Brisbane, that of their service division. The role as customer 
support engineer will see you doing a range of things including, 
installations, service and general maintenance. Mainly focussed on 
Brisbane metropolitan you may be required to do some regional travel 
form time to time but you will have plenty of notice if that does 
occur. The range of equipment you will be working on will cover 
diagnostic equipment in both the science and medical fronts and your 
customers will range form hospitals through to Universities. Not only 
will you be a technician but you will be the face of the company on 
the front line and you will need to build strong relationships as you 
go with each and every client that falls in to your territory. This 
role will involve ongoing training and development.
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Gerhard Fiedler | 11 May 15:51

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cdb wrote:

>  The Employer
> 
> Our client is an international company that specialises in medical and 
> life science products and equipment. Their reach here in Australia is 
> national with a presence in all major cities for both sales, service 
> and distribution. Their brand name is recognised globally and they 
> have the ability to leverage of that and get them selves through the 
> door of all their major clients. Their diagnostic division has been 
> around for an extremely long time and they continue to invest in 
> continuous product improvement ensuring they stay at the head of the 
> pact. They have an extremely corporate profile that encourages ongoing 
> training and development for their staff and ensure that your working 
> experience is a positive one.
> 
> The Vacant Position
> 
> The position currently available is for an extremely stable team based 
> out of Brisbane, that of their service division. The role as customer 
> support engineer will see you doing a range of things including, 
> installations, service and general maintenance. Mainly focussed on 
> Brisbane metropolitan you may be required to do some regional travel 
> form time to time but you will have plenty of notice if that does 
> occur. The range of equipment you will be working on will cover 
> diagnostic equipment in both the science and medical fronts and your 
> customers will range form hospitals through to Universities. Not only 
> will you be a technician but you will be the face of the company on 
> the front line and you will need to build strong relationships as you 
> go with each and every client that falls in to your territory. This
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Brendan Gillatt | 11 May 16:33

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Gerhard Fiedler wrote:
> I'm not sure I understood this post, possibly because English is not my
> native language. The English in this ad sounds a bit odd to me, but it does
> seem to employ generally correct grammar. If I read the subject correctly,
> cdb seems to imply that there is some (not further specified) problem with
> the grammar. Can somebody please explain to me this post?
> 
> Thanks,
> Gerhard
> 

> and they have the ability to leverage of that

The above makes absolutely zero sense. That's in the first paragraph. I
didn't bother to read the rest =]

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Gerhard Fiedler | 11 May 21:19

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Brendan Gillatt wrote:

>> and they have the ability to leverage of that
> 
> The above makes absolutely zero sense. That's in the first paragraph. I
> didn't bother to read the rest =]

To me, it makes about as much sense as "makes absolutely zero sense"  :)
-- that is, it sounds a bit strange but I can get the drift, so to speak.

Gerhard

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cdb | 11 May 22:43

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:: I'm not sure I understood this post, possibly because English is
:: not my
:: native language. The English in this ad sounds a bit odd to me,
:: but it does
:: seem to employ generally correct grammar. If I read the subject
:: correctly,
:: cdb seems to imply that there is some (not further specified)
:: problem with
:: the grammar. Can somebody please explain to me this post?
::
:: Thanks,
:: Gerhard

For me the use of extremely three times was just the icing on the cake. Poor phrasing, not use the correct
words in context, mangling the placement of verbs, adjectives, nouns etc.

Their reach here in Australia is national with a presence.  -Strange choice of words and phrasing

and they have the ability to leverage of that.  -Torturous sentence, incorrect context and absolute nonsense

get them selves through the door of all their major clients. - As above

they stay at the head of the pact. - I assume they don't mean 'stay at the forefront of agreement'.

They have an extremely corporate profile. - What the heck does that mean? 

and ensure that your working experience is a positive one.  -Might 'ensures' be more correct, apart from
which, how do they ensure I have a positive experience and exactly what do they mean by that?

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David VanHorn | 11 May 23:32

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Typical corporatese.
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Michael Rigby-Jones | 12 May 15:07

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> Typical corporatese.

Russell hit the nail on the head; it's someone attempting to write
corporatese, but failing.  I suspect the words chosen by the author had
been previously heard, found to be 'important sounding', but not
actually understood.

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David VanHorn | 12 May 17:39

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> > From: piclist-bounces <at> mit.edu [mailto:piclist-bounces <at> mit.edu] On
> Behalf
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> > Typical corporatese.
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> Russell hit the nail on the head;

I am not russel! :)
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Michael Rigby-Jones | 12 May 22:02

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> > > From: piclist-bounces <at> mit.edu [mailto:piclist-bounces <at> mit.edu] On
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> > > Typical corporatese.
> >
> > Russell hit the nail on the head;
> 
> I am not russel! :)

I know, I was replying to you, but referring to Russells response.
Sorry for any confusion!  

Clearly I haven't correctly leveraged the interoperability techniques
afforded by the cross-functional, information-based emerging
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cdb | 12 May 22:21

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:: Clearly I haven't correctly leveraged the interoperability
:: techniques
:: afforded by the cross-functional, information-based emerging
:: technologies of the English language.  I assure you that as a
:: client-focused, customer-driven resource, I can say there have been
:: lessons learned, and I shall empower myself to facilitate my
:: mission-critical knowledge base.  I hope this synergistic paradigm
:: shift
:: can refocus the rollout of proactive and strategic solutions,
:: enabling a
:: forward looking, market-facing vision statement.

Aha! We at last know from whose keyboard the advert was 'thunked' up, or perhaps who the tutor of English by
Anguish, or may be that should be corporate Anguish as it is spoke, is, as it were!

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David VanHorn | 12 May 22:39

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It looks a lot like the output of this:
http://www.unitedmedia.com/comics/dilbert/games/career/bin/ms.cgi
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> It looks a lot like the output of this:
> http://www.unitedmedia.com/comics/dilbert/games/career/bin/ms.cgi
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Actually when I ran out of the silly buzzwords I could remember, I found
a corporate buzzword dictionary at
http://therussler.tripod.com/ling/corporate_buzzwords.html

Thanks for the link though, it will save some time if I ever need to
generate another paragraph of meaningless corporate drivel! ;)

Cheers

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Alan B. Pearce | 13 May 10:51

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>they stay at the head of the pact. - I assume they don't
>mean 'stay at the forefront of agreement'.

The whole document looks to me to have been written by a secretary who may 
not have English as her (his) first language, and then been spelling 
corrected on a word processor, with the default selection used in each case 
instead of the correct selection for the word that was probably dictated by 
the boss, e.g. the bit quoted above is probably supposed to say 'they stay 
ahead of the pack'. The rest of it is probably due to selecting the default 
grammar correction, and if using M$ Word, this is likely to be anything but 
proper grammar, in my experience.

Looks to me like a stereotypical 'dumb blond' typist, who has an equally 
dumb boss who cannot correct bad grammar. 

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Jinx | 12 May 00:10

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> ensuring they stay at the head of the pact

????

> They have an extremely corporate profile

????

Some job descriptions should be referred to the campaign for
better English, or even given the once-over by other staff

I was helping a friend out a few weeks ago at her laminating/
framing/mounting business. There were piles of real estate
posters to be done - a not-inexpensive exercise for the agents
involved. Not one of them had plurals or apostrophes right.
The usual "its" confusion, " vendor's ", even " balconie's " for
goodness sake. Obviously no proof-reading done or the
proof-reader was as illiterate as the composer

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Richard Prosser | 12 May 00:35

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But if it's wrong, it's more likely to attract your attention!

RP

2008/5/12 Jinx <joecolquitt <at> clear.net.nz>:
>> ensuring they stay at the head of the pact
>
> ????
>
>> They have an extremely corporate profile
>
> ????
>
> Some job descriptions should be referred to the campaign for
> better English, or even given the once-over by other staff
>
> I was helping a friend out a few weeks ago at her laminating/
> framing/mounting business. There were piles of real estate
> posters to be done - a not-inexpensive exercise for the agents
> involved. Not one of them had plurals or apostrophes right.
> The usual "its" confusion, " vendor's ", even " balconie's " for
> goodness sake. Obviously no proof-reading done or the
> proof-reader was as illiterate as the composer
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Jinx | 12 May 01:48

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> But if it's wrong, it's more likely to attract your attention!

So YOU'RE the one behind it all ;-)

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> But if it's wrong, it's more likely to attract your attention!

maybe, but when it is that wrong, would you want to work for them?

Or just treat their company name as the butt of some jokes ??
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Apptech | 13 May 14:30

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>> But if it's wrong, it's more likely to attract your 
>> attention!
>
> maybe, but when it is that wrong, would you want to work 
> for them?
>
> Or just treat their company name as the butt of some jokes 
> ??

This is a bit of a reach / drawing a long bow / skating on 
thin ice / reading between the lines / jumping to 
conclusions / damning with faint praise / .... BUT such 
overblown prose can be an indicator of bombasity, ignorance, 
assumed self importance etc. It also may be that it is just 
an extremely pleasant and personable soul who are out of 
their depth and not well enough supported in an area which 
they are not expert in. It may well be that they are very 
capable and competent in other areas and have been unfairly 
thrust into the PICList limelight by circumstance. But, if 
tempted by such an ad, I'd be wary of what was behind the 
words.

        Russell

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cdb | 13 May 22:16

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Obviously the advert was written by an individual; however the advert 
was placed by a medium sized recruitment agency, so I think they were 
trying to make the job sound important and exciting not only for the 
applicants but also for the client. Sadly, I hear more and more people 
speaking in this fractured way.

The link to the advert.
http://www.seek.com.au/showjob.asp?jobid=12660943 

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cdb wrote:
> Obviously the advert was written by an individual; however the advert
> was placed by a medium sized recruitment agency, so I think they were
> trying to make the job sound important and exciting not only for the
> applicants but also for the client. Sadly, I hear more and more people
> speaking in this fractured way.
>
> The link to the advert.
> http://www.seek.com.au/showjob.asp?jobid=12660943
>
>
> Colin

Colin, look what you did:

"Sorry! This job is no longer advertised."

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your Craigslist ad. It was nicely formatted, and did not have grammar and 
spelling mistakes, like other companies' ads."

Of course, he got the job not just because of that answer ( ;-) ), but it 
supports the argument that quality is important not only for resumes, but 
for job ads as well. The best ads attract the best candidates (although to 
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Jinx | 15 May 04:43

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> It was nicely formatted, and did not have grammar and spelling
> mistakes, like other companies' ads."

"like other companies' ads did" or "unlike other companies' ads"

What the 'top candidate' said is actually endorsing the gobbledy-
gook. Which is why he/she would be a 'top candudate'

(it's reminiscent of a local NZ story in which a top civil servant
has been outed for being a liar when it came to her CV. "Why
wasn't she vetted ?" is the cry. Because she endorsed govt
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Apptech | 15 May 06:02

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>> It was nicely formatted, and did not have grammar and 
>> spelling
>> mistakes, like other companies' ads."

> "like other companies' ads did" or "unlike other 
> companies' ads"

Piccy piccy.
If ewe can get the grandma and spilling more than 95% 
correct then thee occasional deep archer from der Kingz 
Anglais may awl sew (ore awl most) be exqused.

> (it's reminiscent of a local NZ story in which a top civil 
> servant
> has been outed for being a liar when it came to her CV. 
> "Why
> wasn't she vetted ?" is the cry. Because she endorsed govt
> policy is the answer)

That 'an' answer. But not one that would be universally 
believed, let alone accepted. I'll accept it if you wish :-)

        R 

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:: "Why
:: wasn't she vetted ?" is the cry.

I thought this only happened to animals.

As I like wordplay, I was amused by a repeat of an old Radio 4 program 
- where one of the characters was a 'snotty' headmistress of a girls 
Grammar School, who informed the parents of prospective pupils, " All 
gels(sic) will be expected to take oral in French letters in their 
final term".

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Vitaliy | 16 May 05:17

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Jinx wrote:
>> It was nicely formatted, and did not have grammar and spelling
>> mistakes, like other companies' ads."
>
> "like other companies' ads did" or "unlike other companies' ads"

Jinx, give me a break. English is not my first language, and I wrote his 
response from memory (possibly paraphrasing).

> What the 'top candidate' said is actually endorsing the gobbledy-
> gook. Which is why he/she would be a 'top candudate'

There were only two candidates out of about 200 who made the "to-call" list. 
He was called because of what we saw on his resume and application.

I have no reason to believe that what the guy said was not sincere. Here, 
feel free to nitpick:

http://www.scantool.net/jobs

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Jinx | 16 May 05:28

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> > It was nicely formatted, and did not have grammar and
> > spelling mistakes, like other companies' ads."
> >
> > "like other companies' ads did" or "unlike other companies' ads"
> 
> Jinx, give me a break. English is not my first language, and I wrote
> his response from memory (possibly paraphrasing).

My apologies, I thought you were quoting. Please, take your balls
back, unbroken ;-)

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Vitaliy | 16 May 09:59

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Jinx wrote:
> My apologies, I thought you were quoting. Please, take your balls
> back, unbroken ;-)

You need to lay off South Park. It will rot your brain.

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Jinx | 16 May 11:16

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> > My apologies, I thought you were quoting. Please, take your
> > balls back, unbroken ;-)
> 
> You need to lay off South Park. It will rot your brain.

But I only watch it for the political and social satire. Honest

Although Christmases just aren't the same without Mr Hankey

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On Fri, 2008-05-16 at 21:16 +1200, Jinx wrote:
> > > My apologies, I thought you were quoting. Please, take your
> > > balls back, unbroken ;-)
> > 
> > You need to lay off South Park. It will rot your brain.
> 
> But I only watch it for the political and social satire. Honest
> 
> Although Christmases just aren't the same without Mr Hankey

"I made you eat you parents, I made you eat your parents...."

Where is Mr. Hankey, he hasn't been around it quite a while... :)
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Herbert Graf wrote:
>> > You need to lay off South Park. It will rot your brain.
>>
>> But I only watch it for the political and social satire. Honest
>>
>> Although Christmases just aren't the same without Mr Hankey
>
> "I made you eat you parents, I made you eat your parents...."
>
> Where is Mr. Hankey, he hasn't been around it quite a while... :)

I tried watching SP as an experiment in keeping abreast of the modern 
American pop culture (some people I work with are SP fans), but found it too 
revolting.

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> I tried watching SP as an experiment in keeping abreast of 
> the modern
> American pop culture (some people I work with are SP 
> fans), but found it too
> revolting.

It would be easier to just fire them :-)

        R 

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Jinx | 17 May 12:29

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> It would be easier to just fire them :-)

Hmmm, can't see the union having a problem there.....

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Vitaliy | 18 May 01:34

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Apptech wrote:
>> I tried watching SP as an experiment in keeping abreast of
>> the modern
>> American pop culture (some people I work with are SP
>> fans), but found it too
>> revolting.
>
> It would be easier to just fire them :-)

In that case, I would have to disown most of my family, too. :-) I can't 
think of a single person with whom I agree on every issue.

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Jinx | 17 May 11:14

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> I tried watching SP as an experiment in keeping abreast of the
> modern American pop culture (some people I work with are
> SP fans), but found it too revolting

That's a pity. It is really some of the best satire and commentary
on today's BS though

If you want to give it another go it's not hard to find downloads

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Cedric Chang | 17 May 18:15

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What did you find the most objectionable ?
cc

> I tried watching SP as an experiment in keeping abreast of the modern
> American pop culture (some people I work with are SP fans), but  
> found it too
> revolting.
>
> Vitaliy
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cdb | 18 May 00:02

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I like satire, and although SP doesn't do it for me, it makes it's point.

Now, if the cartoon series Quads ever makes it around the world, a definite acquired taste.

Colin

:::: I tried watching SP as an experiment in keeping abreast of the
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:::: American pop culture (some people I work with are SP fans), but
:::: found it too
:::: revolting.
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James Newton | 17 May 22:13

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Vitally, please don't take this as a comment against you, because I don't
know how you feel about the other things I'm going to mention. 

It sort of amazes me that people can object to the revolting parts of South
Park and not object to the war and killing our country participates in, the
humanitarian disasters our country ignores, and the starving families on the
street in our neighborhoods. Yes, South Park is revolting. So is the world.
Americans seem to think it is less so because we, generally, have it so
good.

Mothers will stand by the video games in pizza parlors and movie houses and
happily watch their 9 year old sons and daughters frag "bad guys" in first
person shooters (complete with blood spatter) and then sneer at parents who
let their teenage kids watch South Park or The Daily Show where they learn
about the real world through comedy. 

"Dad, why is the Indian rubbing SARS infected Chinese men on a blanket and
then giving it to the people protesting the new freeway for the casinos on
the reservation so funny?"  "Well... It isn't really, you see; on the 'trail
of tears'..."

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Vitaliy | 18 May 01:19

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James Newton wrote:
> It sort of amazes me that people can object to the revolting parts of 
> South
> Park and not object to the war and killing our country participates in, 
> the
> humanitarian disasters our country ignores, and the starving families on 
> the
> street in our neighborhoods.

>From what I've seen, 95% of the emphasis is not on the things you mention, 
but on the gross out factor. SP's spots definitely support that assertion.

> Yes, South Park is revolting. So is the world.

We agree on the first part. :) But I prefer idealism to cynicism.

> Americans seem to think it is less so because we, generally, have it so
> good.

Maybe Americans have it so good, because of their positive thinking? When 
one thinks that people are sh*t, one tends to treat them that way.

[...]
> let their teenage kids watch South Park or The Daily Show where they learn
> about the real world through comedy.

I watch The Daily Show. And the show after The Daily Show. :) While I find 
certain things objectionable, I think that the shows have more news density 
than CNN. But in South Park, "the real world" is completely obscured by the 
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Jinx | 18 May 03:11

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> But in South Park, "the real world" is completely obscured by
> the feces

Actually, SP is quite a bit less pooey lately. In the past even *I've*
thought "eeuuww" at a couple of scenes, and that takes a bit of
doing, let me tell you. But I think what's an important point is that
the underlying messages in the episodes ARE discussed in the forums,
so SP has achieved its goal in that respect

It really is a vehicle for presenting issues to a generation (or some
members thereof) that isn't interested in issues, or has no other show
catering to them in that regard, although on the face of it, of course,
SP would appear to be just gross humour

By the same token -

A local (with an exceedingly small audience) music channel has
started using a topless woman to read the news. The claim by
the station's "artistic director" is that it will get music-heads to
see news bulletins that they otherwise wouldn't watch on main-
stream channels

I doubt it

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Marcel Duchamp | 18 May 05:41

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Jinx wrote:
> 
> A local (with an exceedingly small audience) music channel has
> started using a topless woman to read the news. 

> I doubt it
> 

er, um, well er, don't ya know, uh, er just what channel was that on?
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Jinx | 18 May 10:36

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> er, um, well er, don't ya know, uh, er just what channel was that on?

Alt TV NZ. They stream to the web. If you really really must ;-)

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Spehro Pefhany | 12 May 00:35

Re: [OT] I wish to murder the extremely English language and any extremely gramaticals therewith

At 09:51 AM 5/11/2008, you wrote:
>cdb wrote:
>
> >  The Employer
> >
> > Our client is an international company that specialises in medical and
> > life science products and equipment. Their reach here in Australia is
> > national with a presence in all major cities for both sales, service
> > and distribution. Their brand name is recognised globally and they
> > have the ability to leverage of that and get them selves through the
> > door of all their major clients. Their diagnostic division has been
> > around for an extremely long time and they continue to invest in
> > continuous product improvement ensuring they stay at the head of the
> > pact. They have an extremely corporate profile that encourages ongoing
> > training and development for their staff and ensure that your working
> > experience is a positive one.
> >
> > The Vacant Position
> >
> > The position currently available is for an extremely stable team based
> > out of Brisbane, that of their service division. The role as customer
> > support engineer will see you doing a range of things including,
> > installations, service and general maintenance. Mainly focussed on
> > Brisbane metropolitan you may be required to do some regional travel
> > form time to time but you will have plenty of notice if that does
> > occur. The range of equipment you will be working on will cover
> > diagnostic equipment in both the science and medical fronts and your
> > customers will range form hospitals through to Universities. Not only
> > will you be a technician but you will be the face of the company on
> > the front line and you will need to build strong relationships as you
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Gerhard Fiedler | 12 May 14:07

Re: [OT] I wish to murder the extremely English language and any extremely gramaticals therewith

Spehro Pefhany wrote:

> I'm not sure if the author is not a native English speaker or just
> sloppy/illiterate. 

To me it just sounds a bit odd, similar to some posts from Asian people who
didn't yet have a chance to get used to using AE slang :)

Anyway, even though I try to use (and encourage the use of) correct
language even when it's not my native language, I've learned to separate
job performance (or any kind of non-language performance) from language
skills in a specific language. 

Gerhard

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Apptech | 12 May 14:31

Re: [OT] I wish to murder the extremely English language and anyextremely gramaticals therewith

> Anyway, even though I try to use (and encourage the use 
> of) correct
> language even when it's not my native language, I've 
> learned to separate
> job performance (or any kind of non-language performance) 
> from language
> skills in a specific language.

In this instance I suspect that the writer IS a 
native-Australian (aka English) speaker but poorly educated 
and that they are trying to write an ad that should have 
been dealt with by a more qualified person.

        Russell

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Matthew Rhys-Roberts | 12 May 10:12

Re: [OT] I wish to murder the extremely English language and any extremely gramaticals therewith

Yuck, I would hate to work for either the employer or the advertising 
agency!

Come back plain English, all is forgiven.

Matt

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Apptech | 12 May 14:16

Re: [OT] I wish to murder the extremely English language and anyextremely gramaticals therewith

I'm unlikely to add vast value to this already reasonably 
thrashed subject, but:

> Yuck, I would hate to work for either the employer or the 
> advertising
> agency!

> Come back plain English, all is forgiven.

There is a place for un-plain English. It can be fun and 
even useful. The problem here is that the writer has tried 
to be impressive and instead ended up demonstrating their 
ignorance. The language is just plain wrong in places and 
silly in others. Where neither of these applies it tends to 
be cumbersome. The impression given (to me at least) is that 
the writer is not skilled in the use of English as a fine 
tool. It seems likely that English is their first language 
(or Oztralian) but that they usually use it in a sloppy 
manner.

__________

> Their reach

Awkward. Better options exist

> they have the ability to leverage

USA'ian ?
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Xiaofan Chen | 12 May 17:16

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On Mon, May 12, 2008 at 8:16 PM, Apptech <apptech <at> paradise.net.nz> wrote:
> I'm unlikely to add vast value to this already reasonably
> thrashed subject, but:

I think you did. Thanks for the English education.
I think your English is very good (among native
speakers) and I admire your use of English. I am not
a native speaker and I have no way to use English
as elegant as a well-educated native English speaker.

> It seems likely that English is their first language
> (or Oztralian) but that they usually use it in a sloppy
> manner.

Hmm, what is the difference between New Zeland English
and Australian Englsh? The accent may be slightly
different. My first oral English teacher back in
1990 (we call him Mr Dawson, used to work for NZ
Telecom) is from New Zeland.

Xiaofan
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Jinx | 13 May 00:14

Re: [OT] I wish to murder the extremely English language andanyextremely gramaticals therewith

Xiaofan, sometimes when channel-hopping I watch the China
TV channel for a few minutes

One thing I've noticed, even though I haven't a clue what is
being talked about, is that nobody ever hesitates. Sentences
are not punctuated with ums, ers, aaaahs, or mmms. Is this
generally a characteristic of (the) Chinese ?

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Xiaofan Chen | 13 May 01:35

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On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 6:14 AM, Jinx <joecolquitt <at> clear.net.nz> wrote:
> Xiaofan, sometimes when channel-hopping I watch the China
> TV channel for a few minutes
>
> One thing I've noticed, even though I haven't a clue what is
> being talked about, is that nobody ever hesitates. Sentences
> are not punctuated with ums, ers, aaaahs, or mmms. Is this
> generally a characteristic of (the) Chinese ?
>

For Chinese TV news reporters, it is a requirement that they do it
properly and without those pauses. So does most TV programs
which tend to use more standard language.

In everyday life, we do have some similar words. In Singapore,
and some Chinese provinces it is "lah". In the old style
speeches by the Chinese government officials, it was "this"
and "that". You can still occasionally hear "this" and "that"
from the government officials but now it can be deemed as
"low efficiency" and the new officials tend not to do that.

Xiaofan
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Jinx | 13 May 02:03

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> In everyday life, we do have some similar words. In Singapore,
> and some Chinese provinces it is "lah". In the old style
> speeches by the Chinese government officials, it was "this"
> and "that". You can still occasionally hear "this" and "that"
> from the government officials but now it can be deemed as
> "low efficiency" and the new officials tend not to do that.

Interesting. I did mean to make it clear that even in the man-on-
the-street and informal interviews people spoke confidently
without hesitation, and I deliberately listened out for it, just out
of curiosity

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Xiaofan Chen | 13 May 02:59

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On 5/13/08, Jinx <joecolquitt <at> clear.net.nz> wrote:
> > In everyday life, we do have some similar words. In Singapore,
> > and some Chinese provinces it is "lah". In the old style
> > speeches by the Chinese government officials, it was "this"
> > and "that". You can still occasionally hear "this" and "that"
> > from the government officials but now it can be deemed as
> > "low efficiency" and the new officials tend not to do that.
>
> Interesting. I did mean to make it clear that even in the man-on-
> the-street and informal interviews people spoke confidently
> without hesitation, and I deliberately listened out for it, just out
> of curiosity

I will say many fluent Chinese speaker tend not to hesitate
on the issues they are comfortable with. But when confronted
with some issues, there will be pause words like "how should
I put this". For non-native speakers, you can not differentiate
this kind of pause words with normal words.

Xiaofan
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