René Bormann | 7 Mar 12:46 2011
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DS14 (LRC) - ESH2 Modules?

Hello all,

we got some old DS14 Shelfs with LRC Modules.

Is it possible to replace the LRC Modules with ESH2?

Thanks from Hamburg,

René



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Stefan Funke | 7 Mar 21:22 2011
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Re: DS14 (LRC) - ESH2 Modules?

Am 07.03.2011 12:46, schrieb René Bormann:

> Hello all,
>
> we got some old DS14 Shelfs with LRC Modules.
>
> Is it possible to replace the LRC Modules with ESH2?

Possible, but may be unsupported:

[Source:
http://now.netapp.com/NOW/knowledge/docs/ontap/rel732/html/ontap/rnote/rel_notes/concept/c_oc_rn_feat73-DS14shelves.html]

Systems including DS14 shelves, ESH modules or LRC modules are not
supported Beginning with Data ONTAP 7.3, DS14 disk shelves, LRC storage
I/O modules, and ESH storage I/O modules are no longer supported.

Upgrading a system with any of these devices attached to it will result
in an unsupported configuration. If even one of these devices is
attached to your storage system, you should not upgrade to Data ONTAP
7.3 or later.

Some models of the DS14 shelves, LRC modules, and ESH modules are no
longer supported. This means that the following disk shelf
configurations are no longer supported:

ESH2 modules with DS14 disk shelves
ESH modules with DS14 or DS14mk2 FC disk shelves
LRC modules with DS14 or DS14mk2 FC disk shelves

Woods, Mark | 8 Mar 02:00 2011
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RE: DS14 (LRC) - ESH2 Modules?

Hi René,

The technical marketing engineer for NetApp disk shelves says that replacing LRC modules with ESH2
modules in a DS14 shelf for use with Data ONTAP 7.3 will not be supported and, more importantly, will not
work.  

I recommend that your replace the disk shelves and the hard disk drives, which must be at least five years old
at this time.  Manufacturers design enterprise HDDs for five years of operation.  The rate of failure
increases steadily and substantially past that age.

For this reason, NetApp does not support disk shelves aged beyond five years.  

Best regards,

Mark Woods

Product Marketing Manager
Solid State Products & Disk Shelves
mark.woods <at> netapp.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Stefan Funke [mailto:bundy <at> usage.de] 
Sent: Monday, March 07, 2011 12:22 PM
To: toasters <at> mathworks.com
Subject: Re: DS14 (LRC) - ESH2 Modules?

Am 07.03.2011 12:46, schrieb René Bormann:

> Hello all,
>
> we got some old DS14 Shelfs with LRC Modules.
>
> Is it possible to replace the LRC Modules with ESH2?

Possible, but may be unsupported:

[Source:
http://now.netapp.com/NOW/knowledge/docs/ontap/rel732/html/ontap/rnote/rel_notes/concept/c_oc_rn_feat73-DS14shelves.html]

Systems including DS14 shelves, ESH modules or LRC modules are not
supported Beginning with Data ONTAP 7.3, DS14 disk shelves, LRC storage
I/O modules, and ESH storage I/O modules are no longer supported.

Upgrading a system with any of these devices attached to it will result
in an unsupported configuration. If even one of these devices is
attached to your storage system, you should not upgrade to Data ONTAP
7.3 or later.

Some models of the DS14 shelves, LRC modules, and ESH modules are no
longer supported. This means that the following disk shelf
configurations are no longer supported:

ESH2 modules with DS14 disk shelves
ESH modules with DS14 or DS14mk2 FC disk shelves
LRC modules with DS14 or DS14mk2 FC disk shelves

Kennedy, Jeffrey | 9 Mar 17:47 2011

RE: DS14 (LRC) - ESH2 Modules?

I remember a presentation on the failure topic at FAST 07 by Google.  Here's the link in case anyone is interested.

http://labs.google.com/papers/disk_failures.pdf

Their correlation between temp and failure was interesting.  Basically they found that high temperature
is not a notable factor, but rather large fluctuations in temperature.

An mildly interesting read unless you also like reading tech manuals, in which case you'll go banana's on it.

Jeff Kennedy
Qualcomm, Incorporated
QCT Engineering Compute
858-651-6592

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-toasters <at> mathworks.com [mailto:owner-toasters <at> mathworks.com]
> On Behalf Of Woods, Mark
> Sent: Monday, March 07, 2011 5:00 PM
> To: toasters <at> mathworks.com
> Cc: Stefan Funke
> Subject: RE: DS14 (LRC) - ESH2 Modules?
> 
> Hi René,
> 
> The technical marketing engineer for NetApp disk shelves says that replacing
> LRC modules with ESH2 modules in a DS14 shelf for use with Data ONTAP 7.3
> will not be supported and, more importantly, will not work.
> 
> I recommend that your replace the disk shelves and the hard disk drives, which
> must be at least five years old at this time.  Manufacturers design enterprise
> HDDs for five years of operation.  The rate of failure increases steadily and
> substantially past that age.
> 
> For this reason, NetApp does not support disk shelves aged beyond five years.
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Mark Woods
> 
> Product Marketing Manager
> Solid State Products & Disk Shelves
> mark.woods <at> netapp.com
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stefan Funke [mailto:bundy <at> usage.de]
> Sent: Monday, March 07, 2011 12:22 PM
> To: toasters <at> mathworks.com
> Subject: Re: DS14 (LRC) - ESH2 Modules?
> 
> Am 07.03.2011 12:46, schrieb René Bormann:
> 
> > Hello all,
> >
> > we got some old DS14 Shelfs with LRC Modules.
> >
> > Is it possible to replace the LRC Modules with ESH2?
> 
> Possible, but may be unsupported:
> 
> 
> [Source:
> http://now.netapp.com/NOW/knowledge/docs/ontap/rel732/html/ontap/rnote/rel_n
> otes/concept/c_oc_rn_feat73-DS14shelves.html]
> 
> Systems including DS14 shelves, ESH modules or LRC modules are not
> supported Beginning with Data ONTAP 7.3, DS14 disk shelves, LRC storage
> I/O modules, and ESH storage I/O modules are no longer supported.
> 
> Upgrading a system with any of these devices attached to it will result
> in an unsupported configuration. If even one of these devices is
> attached to your storage system, you should not upgrade to Data ONTAP
> 7.3 or later.
> 
> Some models of the DS14 shelves, LRC modules, and ESH modules are no
> longer supported. This means that the following disk shelf
> configurations are no longer supported:
> 
> ESH2 modules with DS14 disk shelves
> ESH modules with DS14 or DS14mk2 FC disk shelves
> LRC modules with DS14 or DS14mk2 FC disk shelves
> 

Jimmy Corncrake | 17 Mar 10:33 2011
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Re: DS14 (LRC) - ESH2 Modules?

We replaced LCR Modules on DS14 Shelves last year with ESH4 Modules. This was fully supported by Network Appliance and PS were involved. Contact your presales contact for advise. This is definitely a supported option.
 
best regards,
Jimmy.

On Wed, Mar 9, 2011 at 5:47 PM, Kennedy, Jeffrey <jkennedy <at> qualcomm.com> wrote:
I remember a presentation on the failure topic at FAST 07 by Google.  Here's the link in case anyone is interested.

http://labs.google.com/papers/disk_failures.pdf

Their correlation between temp and failure was interesting.  Basically they found that high temperature is not a notable factor, but rather large fluctuations in temperature.

An mildly interesting read unless you also like reading tech manuals, in which case you'll go banana's on it.

Jeff Kennedy
Qualcomm, Incorporated
QCT Engineering Compute
858-651-6592

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-toasters <at> mathworks.com [mailto:owner-toasters <at> mathworks.com]
> On Behalf Of Woods, Mark
> Sent: Monday, March 07, 2011 5:00 PM
> To: toasters <at> mathworks.com
> Cc: Stefan Funke
> Subject: RE: DS14 (LRC) - ESH2 Modules?
>
> Hi René,
>
> The technical marketing engineer for NetApp disk shelves says that replacing
> LRC modules with ESH2 modules in a DS14 shelf for use with Data ONTAP 7.3
> will not be supported and, more importantly, will not work.
>
> I recommend that your replace the disk shelves and the hard disk drives, which
> must be at least five years old at this time.  Manufacturers design enterprise
> HDDs for five years of operation.  The rate of failure increases steadily and
> substantially past that age.
>
> For this reason, NetApp does not support disk shelves aged beyond five years.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Mark Woods
>
> Product Marketing Manager
> Solid State Products & Disk Shelves
> mark.woods <at> netapp.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stefan Funke [mailto:bundy <at> usage.de]
> Sent: Monday, March 07, 2011 12:22 PM
> To: toasters <at> mathworks.com
> Subject: Re: DS14 (LRC) - ESH2 Modules?
>
> Am 07.03.2011 12:46, schrieb René Bormann:
>
> > Hello all,
> >
> > we got some old DS14 Shelfs with LRC Modules.
> >
> > Is it possible to replace the LRC Modules with ESH2?
>
> Possible, but may be unsupported:
>
>
> [Source:
> http://now.netapp.com/NOW/knowledge/docs/ontap/rel732/html/ontap/rnote/rel_n
> otes/concept/c_oc_rn_feat73-DS14shelves.html]
>
> Systems including DS14 shelves, ESH modules or LRC modules are not
> supported Beginning with Data ONTAP 7.3, DS14 disk shelves, LRC storage
> I/O modules, and ESH storage I/O modules are no longer supported.
>
> Upgrading a system with any of these devices attached to it will result
> in an unsupported configuration. If even one of these devices is
> attached to your storage system, you should not upgrade to Data ONTAP
> 7.3 or later.
>
> Some models of the DS14 shelves, LRC modules, and ESH modules are no
> longer supported. This means that the following disk shelf
> configurations are no longer supported:
>
> ESH2 modules with DS14 disk shelves
> ESH modules with DS14 or DS14mk2 FC disk shelves
> LRC modules with DS14 or DS14mk2 FC disk shelves
>



René Bormann | 8 Apr 11:40 2011
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Re: DS14 (LRC) - ESH2 Modules? - iSCSI settings backup with SnapMirror?

Hello Toaster,

thank you all very much for the prompt and lot of replies!

We where a bit confused, so we bought some DS14MK2 ESH2 Shelfs.

I connected the Shelfs, added a new Aggr and the two volumes we got,
root and vol0.
I setup SnapMirror for both and want to change in a downtime slot,
set the new root vol and rename the snapmirrored vol0.

But last time I played around with that - I realized that the iSCSI settings where missing. Where are the iSCSI setting stored and how to backup, restore them?

Does someone know?

Thanks from Hamburg,

René



Kennedy, Jeffrey
Mittwoch, 9. März 2011 17:47

I remember a presentation on the failure topic at FAST 07 by Google. Here's the link in case anyone is interested.

http://labs.google.com/papers/disk_failures.pdf

Their correlation between temp and failure was interesting. Basically they found that high temperature is not a notable factor, but rather large fluctuations in temperature.

An mildly interesting read unless you also like reading tech manuals, in which case you'll go banana's on it.

Jeff Kennedy
Qualcomm, Incorporated
QCT Engineering Compute
858-651-6592





Woods, Mark
Dienstag, 8. März 2011 02:00

Hi René,

The technical marketing engineer for NetApp disk shelves says that replacing LRC modules with ESH2 modules in a DS14 shelf for use with Data ONTAP 7.3 will not be supported and, more importantly, will not work.

I recommend that your replace the disk shelves and the hard disk drives, which must be at least five years old at this time. Manufacturers design enterprise HDDs for five years of operation. The rate of failure increases steadily and substantially past that age.

For this reason, NetApp does not support disk shelves aged beyond five years.

Best regards,

Mark Woods

Product Marketing Manager
Solid State Products & Disk Shelves
mark.woods <at> netapp.com


-----Original Message-----
From: Stefan Funke [mailto:bundy <at> usage.de]
Sent: Monday, March 07, 2011 12:22 PM
To: toasters <at> mathworks.com
Subject: Re: DS14 (LRC) - ESH2 Modules?


Possible, but may be unsupported:


[Source:
http://now.netapp.com/NOW/knowledge/docs/ontap/rel732/html/ontap/rnote/rel_notes/concept/c_oc_rn_feat73-DS14shelves.html]

Systems including DS14 shelves, ESH modules or LRC modules are not
supported Beginning with Data ONTAP 7.3, DS14 disk shelves, LRC storage
I/O modules, and ESH storage I/O modules are no longer supported.

Upgrading a system with any of these devices attached to it will result
in an unsupported configuration. If even one of these devices is
attached to your storage system, you should not upgrade to Data ONTAP
7.3 or later.

Some models of the DS14 shelves, LRC modules, and ESH modules are no
longer supported. This means that the following disk shelf
configurations are no longer supported:

ESH2 modules with DS14 disk shelves
ESH modules with DS14 or DS14mk2 FC disk shelves
LRC modules with DS14 or DS14mk2 FC disk shelves




Stefan Funke
Montag, 7. März 2011 21:22

Am 07.03.2011 12:46, schrieb René Bormann:


Possible, but may be unsupported:


[Source:
http://now.netapp.com/NOW/knowledge/docs/ontap/rel732/html/ontap/rnote/rel_notes/concept/c_oc_rn_feat73-DS14shelves.html]

Systems including DS14 shelves, ESH modules or LRC modules are not
supported Beginning with Data ONTAP 7.3, DS14 disk shelves, LRC storage
I/O modules, and ESH storage I/O modules are no longer supported.

Upgrading a system with any of these devices attached to it will result
in an unsupported configuration. If even one of these devices is
attached to your storage system, you should not upgrade to Data ONTAP
7.3 or later.

Some models of the DS14 shelves, LRC modules, and ESH modules are no
longer supported. This means that the following disk shelf
configurations are no longer supported:

ESH2 modules with DS14 disk shelves
ESH modules with DS14 or DS14mk2 FC disk shelves
LRC modules with DS14 or DS14mk2 FC disk shelves



René Bormann
Montag, 7. März 2011 12:46

Hello all,

we got some old DS14 Shelfs with LRC Modules.

Is it possible to replace the LRC Modules with ESH2?

Thanks from Hamburg,

René





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Register: Amtsgericht Hamburg, HRB 86074
Geschäftführer: René Bormann

Tel: +49 (0) 1805 - 65 777 777 *
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