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Rodolfo Segleau | 15 Nov 2002 07:49

Next Step


Hey guys, how's it going? noticed that juno is a bit stalled in development and 
while i'm no php expert, i was wondering in what can i help out in. i noticed 
that a few files are missing and the regiserrow.inc is a hard coded file... any 
pointers (possibly another module) where i can copy the concept and modify the 
code so it works?

Cheers, 

Rodolfo

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Scott Carr | 15 Nov 2002 02:26

Re: Next Step

I have been swamped lately.  

The files that exist are all that have been done so far.  The idea is to have
three major areas:

*  Accounts (Add, Delete, Edit)
*  Account Register (Add, Delete, Edit)
*  Bill Remind (Add, Delete, Edit)

I am going to be working on this heavily over the next couple weeks myself. 
Where would you like to start? 
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Quoting Rodolfo Segleau <segleaur <at> mechanus.org>:

> 
> Hey guys, how's it going? noticed that juno is a bit stalled in development
> and
> while i'm no php expert, i was wondering in what can i help out in. i noticed
> that a few files are missing and the regiserrow.inc is a hard coded file...
> any
> pointers (possibly another module) where i can copy the concept and modify
> the
> code so it works?
> 
>

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Chris Albertson | 15 Nov 2002 17:34

Re: Next Step

Scott,

You would so be my hero if you could get this thing to a working state. Just 
account management and register maintenance would be an awesome start. 
Reporting after that would be a sweet thing too.
I'm so excited to have this thing working!

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Quoting Scott Carr <scarr <at> progbits.com>:

> I have been swamped lately.
> 
> The files that exist are all that have been done so far.  The idea is to have
> three major areas:
> 
> *  Accounts (Add, Delete, Edit)
> *  Account Register (Add, Delete, Edit)
> *  Bill Remind (Add, Delete, Edit)
> 
> I am going to be working on this heavily over the next couple weeks myself.
> Where would you like to start?
> --
> Scott Carr

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Scott Carr | 15 Nov 2002 13:07

Re: Next Step

  I would be my hero as well.  I can't keep a paper register to save my life.
 I figure if I have the Check Register at my disposal anytime I check my email,
I might actually use the thing.  
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Quoting Chris Albertson <alb <at> chrisalbertson.com>:

> Scott,
> 
> You would so be my hero if you could get this thing to a working state. Just
> account management and register maintenance would be an awesome start.
> Reporting after that would be a sweet thing too.
> I'm so excited to have this thing working!
> 
> --
> Chris Albertson
> alb <at> chrisalbertson.com
> 
> 186,300 miles per second. It's not just a good idea, it's the law.
> 
> 4783147098
> 
> 
> Quoting Scott Carr <scarr <at> progbits.com>:
> 
> > I have been swamped lately.

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Rodolfo Segleau | 15 Nov 2002 16:41

Re: Next Step

 | ----- Message from scarr <at> progbits.com ---------
 |     Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 19:26:31 -0600
 |     From: Scott Carr <scarr <at> progbits.com>
 | Reply-To: Scott Carr <scarr <at> progbits.com>
 |  Subject: Re: [juno] Next Step
 |       To: juno <at> lists.horde.org
 | 
 | I have been swamped lately.
 | 
 | The files that exist are all that have been done so far.  The idea is to
 | have
 | three major areas:
 | 
 | *  Accounts (Add, Delete, Edit)
 | *  Account Register (Add, Delete, Edit)
 | *  Bill Remind (Add, Delete, Edit)
 | 
 | I am going to be working on this heavily over the next couple weeks myself.
 | Where would you like to start?
 | --
 | Scott Carr
 | Documentation Maintainer
 | http://documentation.openoffice.org
 | OpenOffice.org
 | 
 | 

no worries man, we're all busy right now.

where would i like to start? well, i'm no php expert, so that's going to slow

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Chris Albertson | 26 Nov 2002 17:58

Re: Next Step

How is the Juno project progressing since the last set of emails?

I'd really like to start contributing to this project any way I can. I'm 
concerned that the CVS might be out of sync though. Has anyone been able to make 
any progress as of late?

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Mathieu Legare | 26 Nov 2002 19:36

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Re: Next Step

Hi,

At Tue, Nov 26, 2002 at 10:58:03AM -0600, Chris Albertson wrote:
> How is the Juno project progressing since the last set of emails?
> 
> 
> I'd really like to start contributing to this project any way I can. I'm 
> concerned that the CVS might be out of sync though. Has anyone been able to make 
> any progress as of late?

I have been working a little bit on juno, but I do not have enough
'spare' time to really start off the project (almost from zero).
Right now, I feel I could contribute more if there was already a 
working code base :( IMHO, there is some more designing work to do 
before coding more: database scheme, the sql driver.  Someone with basic 
programming accounting skill might be useful too :)  Gnucash.org has
some designing documents that might be interesting for us.

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Chris Albertson | 26 Nov 2002 20:14

Re: Next Step

PS:

Scott, is your local machines clock screwed up? Youre emails all come across as 
being sent at like 8:30AM.

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Quoting Chris Albertson <alb <at> chrisalbertson.com>:

> While I am a fan of the double entry accounting system, I think we need to

> ask

> the question "who is the target user of this package?" If it is business,

> then

> double entry is the way to go. The detail you get from that is great.

> 

>

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Chris Albertson | 26 Nov 2002 20:10

Re: Next Step

While I am a fan of the double entry accounting system, I think we need to ask 
the question "who is the target user of this package?" If it is business, then 
double entry is the way to go. The detail you get from that is great.

However, if the target is your general lazy home user who wants a web-based 
"quicken/MS Money-type" replacement package... I don't think they will want to 
do double entry. Double entry has a lot of positives, but it's time consuming. 
(Not to mention that not many people have either had accounting 
experience/classes, or remember that stuff.)

I just think that double entry will remove a lot of users from the mix.

Thoughts?

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Quoting Chuck Hagenbuch <chuck <at> horde.org>:

> Quoting Scott Carr <scarr <at> progbits.com>:

>

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Scott Carr | 26 Nov 2002 15:32

Re: Next Step

The double entry implementation I am talking about is GNUCash.  It takes care of
all the double entry stuff.  

We can provide a default set of accounts to make it easier.  The nice thing
about this is, we can choose which level it is by the accounts that are in the
system.  Instead of dumbing the whole system down for one group or the other.
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Quoting Chris Albertson <alb <at> chrisalbertson.com>:

> While I am a fan of the double entry accounting system, I think we need to
> ask
> the question "who is the target user of this package?" If it is business,
> then
> double entry is the way to go. The detail you get from that is great.
> 
> 
> However, if the target is your general lazy home user who wants a web-based
> "quicken/MS Money-type" replacement package... I don't think they will want
> to
> do double entry. Double entry has a lot of positives, but it's time
> consuming.
> (Not to mention that not many people have either had accounting
> experience/classes, or remember that stuff.)
> 
>

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Chuck Hagenbuch | 26 Nov 2002 19:43

Re: Next Step

Quoting Scott Carr <scarr <at> progbits.com>:

> The method for which I am going to implement the Accounting side is via
> Double Entry accounting.  For each entry in an Account, an opposite entry 
> will be made in a different account.

I know nothing about accounting theory, but it seems like this would have a
tough time accounting for income (anything outside of a closed system)...
any quick links/explanations?

-chuck

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Scott Carr | 26 Nov 2002 15:10

Re: Next Step

The best place is gnucash.org.  They have a very good Double Entry accounting
explanation on there site.

I have been around accounting for several years.  I just suck at doing it on
paper.  

http://www.gnucash.org/docs/C/xacc-doubleentry.html
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Quoting Chuck Hagenbuch <chuck <at> horde.org>:

> Quoting Scott Carr <scarr <at> progbits.com>:
> 
> > The method for which I am going to implement the Accounting side is via
> > Double Entry accounting.  For each entry in an Account, an opposite entry
> > will be made in a different account.
> 
> I know nothing about accounting theory, but it seems like this would have a
> tough time accounting for income (anything outside of a closed system)...
> any quick links/explanations?
> 
> -chuck
> 
> --
> Charles Hagenbuch, <chuck <at> horde.org>
> "People ask me all the time what it will be like living without otters."

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Scott Carr | 26 Nov 2002 14:59

Re: Next Step

The basic idea has been fleshed out in the Archive of the Juno lists.

The method for which I am going to implement the Accounting side is via Double
Entry accounting.  For each entry in an Account, an opposite entry will be made
in a different account.

I can handle the accounting functions, just been a little short on the excess
time, myself.
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Quoting Mathieu Legare <legare <at> uqtr.ca>:

> Hi,
> 
> At Tue, Nov 26, 2002 at 10:58:03AM -0600, Chris Albertson wrote:
> > How is the Juno project progressing since the last set of emails?
> >
> >
> > I'd really like to start contributing to this project any way I can. I'm
> > concerned that the CVS might be out of sync though. Has anyone been able to
> make
> > any progress as of late?
> 
> I have been working a little bit on juno, but I do not have enough
> 'spare' time to really start off the project (almost from zero).
> Right now, I feel I could contribute more if there was already a

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Mathieu Legare | 26 Nov 2002 19:57

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Re: Next Step

Hi,

At Tue, Nov 26, 2002 at 07:59:04AM -0600, Scott Carr wrote:
> The basic idea has been fleshed out in the Archive of the Juno lists.
> 
> The method for which I am going to implement the Accounting side is via Double
> Entry accounting.  For each entry in an Account, an opposite entry will be made
> in a different account.

So the sum of all the entries should always be zero.  Example, when you are
payed every two weeks, what entries would you enter and in which accounts ?

Maybe, there should be a set of default accounts created.

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Scott Carr | 26 Nov 2002 15:29

Re: Next Step

Yes, a set of default accounts is a must.

For example:

My accounts are:

+  Bank
   -  Amsouth
+  Income
   -  My Company.com

My transaction with the system would be the following:

Enter into Bank:Amsouth, $200.00.
Deduct from Income:My Company.com, $200.00.

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Quoting Mathieu Legare <legare <at> uqtr.ca>:

> Hi,
> 
> At Tue, Nov 26, 2002 at 07:59:04AM -0600, Scott Carr wrote:
> > The basic idea has been fleshed out in the Archive of the Juno lists.
> >
> > The method for which I am going to implement the Accounting side is via

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Scott Carr | 15 Nov 2002 13:11

Re: Next Step

I am not sure if Alarms from another system would be good.  My idea about the
billing reminder is that it would check and optionally add to the register, or
create a new single instance of itself once the day passes.

I am not sure if this is a valid NAG feature or not.  We will see.  

If you would like, you can look at the accounts.  We can go from there.
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Quoting Rodolfo Segleau <segleaur <at> mechanus.org>:

>  | ----- Message from scarr <at> progbits.com ---------
>  |     Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 19:26:31 -0600
>  |     From: Scott Carr <scarr <at> progbits.com>
>  | Reply-To: Scott Carr <scarr <at> progbits.com>
>  |  Subject: Re: [juno] Next Step
>  |       To: juno <at> lists.horde.org
>  |
>  | I have been swamped lately.
>  |
>  | The files that exist are all that have been done so far.  The idea is to
>  | have
>  | three major areas:
>  |
>  | *  Accounts (Add, Delete, Edit)
>  | *  Account Register (Add, Delete, Edit)

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Chuck Hagenbuch | 15 Nov 2002 15:45

Re: Next Step

Quoting Rodolfo Segleau <segleaur <at> mechanus.org>:

> where would i like to start? well, i'm no php expert, so that's going to
> slow me down a bit, but shouldn't be too much of a problem. i think the 
> bill remind would be beyond me if it's tie it into kronolith (using 
> kronolith's alarms?), but the account register is probably closer to 
> something i can port from somewhere else... perhaps the kronolith files?

I'd look at Nag for that, personally.

-chuck

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