Ralph Goers | 1 Sep 2011 16:09
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Re: Companions -> Chainsaw?

At this point I'm only focusing only on 2.0. I've been wondering if I should create a subproject for chainsaw
or if it should remain separate. I already moved a large part of extras in as a core part of the functionality.

Ralph

On Sep 1, 2011, at 4:13 AM, Christian Grobmeier wrote:

> Scott,
> 
> Curt had an interesting idea lately, he mentioned it might make sense
> to move the companions code into chainsaw.
> What do you think on that?
> 
> I like the idea - less releases, and no other interested parties in
> having companions.
> 
> Please comment, when you can :-)
> 
> Cheers
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Scott Deboy | 1 Sep 2011 18:15
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Re: Companions -> Chainsaw?

I think pulling in component would make sense...no one else probably uses it.  Receivers?  I suppose if they were built as a separate jar that'd be fine too, I have no idea who uses them if anyone.

Scott

On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 7:09 AM, Ralph Goers <ralph.goers <at> dslextreme.com> wrote:
At this point I'm only focusing only on 2.0. I've been wondering if I should create a subproject for chainsaw or if it should remain separate. I already moved a large part of extras in as a core part of the functionality.

Ralph

On Sep 1, 2011, at 4:13 AM, Christian Grobmeier wrote:

> Scott,
>
> Curt had an interesting idea lately, he mentioned it might make sense
> to move the companions code into chainsaw.
> What do you think on that?
>
> I like the idea - less releases, and no other interested parties in
> having companions.
>
> Please comment, when you can :-)
>
> Cheers
> Christian
>
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Christian Grobmeier | 1 Sep 2011 19:27
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Re: Companions -> Chainsaw?

On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 6:15 PM, Scott Deboy <scott.deboy <at> gmail.com> wrote:
> I think pulling in component would make sense...no one else probably uses
> it.  Receivers?  I suppose if they were built as a separate jar that'd be
> fine too, I have no idea who uses them if anyone.

We can always cut them out again if somebody wants it - which is very unlikely.

If you are fine with moving them to chainsaw... do you need any help?

>
> Scott
>
> On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 7:09 AM, Ralph Goers <ralph.goers <at> dslextreme.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> At this point I'm only focusing only on 2.0. I've been wondering if I
>> should create a subproject for chainsaw or if it should remain separate. I
>> already moved a large part of extras in as a core part of the functionality.
>>
>> Ralph
>>
>> On Sep 1, 2011, at 4:13 AM, Christian Grobmeier wrote:
>>
>> > Scott,
>> >
>> > Curt had an interesting idea lately, he mentioned it might make sense
>> > to move the companions code into chainsaw.
>> > What do you think on that?
>> >
>> > I like the idea - less releases, and no other interested parties in
>> > having companions.
>> >
>> > Please comment, when you can :-)
>> >
>> > Cheers
>> > Christian
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Christian Grobmeier | 1 Sep 2011 19:29
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Re: Companions -> Chainsaw?

On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 4:09 PM, Ralph Goers <ralph.goers <at> dslextreme.com> wrote:
> At this point I'm only focusing only on 2.0. I've been wondering if I should create a subproject for
chainsaw or if it should remain separate. I already moved a large part of extras in as a core part of the functionality.

B/c of Chainsaw2 builds upon log4j2, I think I would create a
subproject. This would make it easier to release Chainsaw version for
a specific log4j2 release

>
> Ralph
>
> On Sep 1, 2011, at 4:13 AM, Christian Grobmeier wrote:
>
>> Scott,
>>
>> Curt had an interesting idea lately, he mentioned it might make sense
>> to move the companions code into chainsaw.
>> What do you think on that?
>>
>> I like the idea - less releases, and no other interested parties in
>> having companions.
>>
>> Please comment, when you can :-)
>>
>> Cheers
>> Christian
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Curt Arnold | 2 Sep 2011 15:55
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Re: Companions -> Chainsaw?

Forget the packaging renaming bit. No need to make Chainsaw an OSGi package and no need to add additional work.
Scott Deboy | 30 Sep 2011 14:27
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Re: Companions -> Chainsaw?

ok, I'll nuke component and receivers and pull the useful bits in to chainsaw...does that mean we should remove the parent maven project then?

Scott

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Forget the packaging renaming bit. No need to make Chainsaw an OSGi package and no need to add additional work.
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Christian Grobmeier | 30 Sep 2011 14:29
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Re: Companions -> Chainsaw?

On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 2:27 PM, Scott Deboy <scott.deboy <at> gmail.com> wrote:
> ok, I'll nuke component and receivers and pull the useful bits in to
> chainsaw...does that mean we should remove the parent maven project then?

If you speak of the parent for Companions: yes.
I think we can remove the whole Companions tree to the attic then

Christian

>
> Scott
>
> On Fri, Sep 2, 2011 at 6:55 AM, Curt Arnold <carnold <at> apache.org> wrote:
>>
>> Forget the packaging renaming bit. No need to make Chainsaw an OSGi
>> package and no need to add additional work.
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Scott Deboy | 30 Sep 2011 14:36
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Re: Companions -> Chainsaw?

ok, moving ahead with removal then

On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 5:29 AM, Christian Grobmeier <grobmeier <at> gmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 2:27 PM, Scott Deboy <scott.deboy <at> gmail.com> wrote:
> ok, I'll nuke component and receivers and pull the useful bits in to
> chainsaw...does that mean we should remove the parent maven project then?

If you speak of the parent for Companions: yes.
I think we can remove the whole Companions tree to the attic then

Christian

>
> Scott
>
> On Fri, Sep 2, 2011 at 6:55 AM, Curt Arnold <carnold <at> apache.org> wrote:
>>
>> Forget the packaging renaming bit. No need to make Chainsaw an OSGi
>> package and no need to add additional work.
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Christian Grobmeier | 30 Sep 2011 14:38
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Re: Companions -> Chainsaw?

On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 2:36 PM, Scott Deboy <scott.deboy <at> gmail.com> wrote:
> ok, moving ahead with removal then

Thanks, and have fun - removing old stuff makes me always feel good,
hope it is the same feeling for you :-)

>
> On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 5:29 AM, Christian Grobmeier <grobmeier <at> gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 2:27 PM, Scott Deboy <scott.deboy <at> gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > ok, I'll nuke component and receivers and pull the useful bits in to
>> > chainsaw...does that mean we should remove the parent maven project
>> > then?
>>
>> If you speak of the parent for Companions: yes.
>> I think we can remove the whole Companions tree to the attic then
>>
>> Christian
>>
>> >
>> > Scott
>> >
>> > On Fri, Sep 2, 2011 at 6:55 AM, Curt Arnold <carnold <at> apache.org> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Forget the packaging renaming bit. No need to make Chainsaw an OSGi
>> >> package and no need to add additional work.
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Scott Deboy | 30 Sep 2011 14:48
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Re: Companions -> Chainsaw?

Definitely!

Anything to simplify things and get this out the door!

Thanks for all your help Christian,

Scott

On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 5:38 AM, Christian Grobmeier <grobmeier <at> gmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 2:36 PM, Scott Deboy <scott.deboy <at> gmail.com> wrote:
> ok, moving ahead with removal then

Thanks, and have fun - removing old stuff makes me always feel good,
hope it is the same feeling for you :-)

>
> On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 5:29 AM, Christian Grobmeier <grobmeier <at> gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 2:27 PM, Scott Deboy <scott.deboy <at> gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > ok, I'll nuke component and receivers and pull the useful bits in to
>> > chainsaw...does that mean we should remove the parent maven project
>> > then?
>>
>> If you speak of the parent for Companions: yes.
>> I think we can remove the whole Companions tree to the attic then
>>
>> Christian
>>
>> >
>> > Scott
>> >
>> > On Fri, Sep 2, 2011 at 6:55 AM, Curt Arnold <carnold <at> apache.org> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Forget the packaging renaming bit. No need to make Chainsaw an OSGi
>> >> package and no need to add additional work.
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Scott Deboy | 30 Sep 2011 16:26
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Re: Companions -> Chainsaw?

I need to use some of the classes that were copied to core from receivers in 1165491 (rewriteappender, utillogginglevel)...

Will there be a log4j release soon or should I duplicate these classes in Chainsaw?  I don't want a log4j release to hold up a Chainsaw release.

Scott

On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 5:48 AM, Scott Deboy <scott.deboy <at> gmail.com> wrote:
Definitely!

Anything to simplify things and get this out the door!

Thanks for all your help Christian,

Scott


On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 5:38 AM, Christian Grobmeier <grobmeier <at> gmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 2:36 PM, Scott Deboy <scott.deboy <at> gmail.com> wrote:
> ok, moving ahead with removal then

Thanks, and have fun - removing old stuff makes me always feel good,
hope it is the same feeling for you :-)

>
> On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 5:29 AM, Christian Grobmeier <grobmeier <at> gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 2:27 PM, Scott Deboy <scott.deboy <at> gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > ok, I'll nuke component and receivers and pull the useful bits in to
>> > chainsaw...does that mean we should remove the parent maven project
>> > then?
>>
>> If you speak of the parent for Companions: yes.
>> I think we can remove the whole Companions tree to the attic then
>>
>> Christian
>>
>> >
>> > Scott
>> >
>> > On Fri, Sep 2, 2011 at 6:55 AM, Curt Arnold <carnold <at> apache.org> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Forget the packaging renaming bit. No need to make Chainsaw an OSGi
>> >> package and no need to add additional work.
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Christian Grobmeier | 30 Sep 2011 16:35
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Re: Companions -> Chainsaw?

On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 4:26 PM, Scott Deboy <scott.deboy <at> gmail.com> wrote:
> I need to use some of the classes that were copied to core from receivers in
> 1165491 (rewriteappender, utillogginglevel)...
>
> Will there be a log4j release soon or should I duplicate these classes in
> Chainsaw?  I don't want a log4j release to hold up a Chainsaw release.

I doubt there will be a new log4j release in near future. Therefore I
am +1 on making Chainsaw independent. To my knowledge it is only 3
classes or so, I would go with duplicating them.

But I think I would change the package to prevent a conflict with a
later log4j which might have the same classes

>
> Scott
>
> On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 5:48 AM, Scott Deboy <scott.deboy <at> gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Definitely!
>>
>> Anything to simplify things and get this out the door!
>>
>> Thanks for all your help Christian,
>>
>> Scott
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 5:38 AM, Christian Grobmeier <grobmeier <at> gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 2:36 PM, Scott Deboy <scott.deboy <at> gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> > ok, moving ahead with removal then
>>>
>>> Thanks, and have fun - removing old stuff makes me always feel good,
>>> hope it is the same feeling for you :-)
>>>
>>> >
>>> > On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 5:29 AM, Christian Grobmeier
>>> > <grobmeier <at> gmail.com>
>>> > wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 2:27 PM, Scott Deboy <scott.deboy <at> gmail.com>
>>> >> wrote:
>>> >> > ok, I'll nuke component and receivers and pull the useful bits in to
>>> >> > chainsaw...does that mean we should remove the parent maven project
>>> >> > then?
>>> >>
>>> >> If you speak of the parent for Companions: yes.
>>> >> I think we can remove the whole Companions tree to the attic then
>>> >>
>>> >> Christian
>>> >>
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Scott
>>> >> >
>>> >> > On Fri, Sep 2, 2011 at 6:55 AM, Curt Arnold <carnold <at> apache.org>
>>> >> > wrote:
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> Forget the packaging renaming bit. No need to make Chainsaw an OSGi
>>> >> >> package and no need to add additional work.
>>> >> >>
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Scott Deboy | 30 Sep 2011 16:46
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Re: Companions -> Chainsaw?

I'm leaning toward keeping them in the same package location - when log4j is released, I can remove the classes from Chainsaw and everything will still work.

Scott

On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 7:35 AM, Christian Grobmeier <grobmeier <at> gmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 4:26 PM, Scott Deboy <scott.deboy <at> gmail.com> wrote:
> I need to use some of the classes that were copied to core from receivers in
> 1165491 (rewriteappender, utillogginglevel)...
>
> Will there be a log4j release soon or should I duplicate these classes in
> Chainsaw?  I don't want a log4j release to hold up a Chainsaw release.

I doubt there will be a new log4j release in near future. Therefore I
am +1 on making Chainsaw independent. To my knowledge it is only 3
classes or so, I would go with duplicating them.

But I think I would change the package to prevent a conflict with a
later log4j which might have the same classes



>
> Scott
>
> On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 5:48 AM, Scott Deboy <scott.deboy <at> gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Definitely!
>>
>> Anything to simplify things and get this out the door!
>>
>> Thanks for all your help Christian,
>>
>> Scott
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 5:38 AM, Christian Grobmeier <grobmeier <at> gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 2:36 PM, Scott Deboy <scott.deboy <at> gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> > ok, moving ahead with removal then
>>>
>>> Thanks, and have fun - removing old stuff makes me always feel good,
>>> hope it is the same feeling for you :-)
>>>
>>> >
>>> > On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 5:29 AM, Christian Grobmeier
>>> > <grobmeier <at> gmail.com>
>>> > wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 2:27 PM, Scott Deboy <scott.deboy <at> gmail.com>
>>> >> wrote:
>>> >> > ok, I'll nuke component and receivers and pull the useful bits in to
>>> >> > chainsaw...does that mean we should remove the parent maven project
>>> >> > then?
>>> >>
>>> >> If you speak of the parent for Companions: yes.
>>> >> I think we can remove the whole Companions tree to the attic then
>>> >>
>>> >> Christian
>>> >>
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Scott
>>> >> >
>>> >> > On Fri, Sep 2, 2011 at 6:55 AM, Curt Arnold <carnold <at> apache.org>
>>> >> > wrote:
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> Forget the packaging renaming bit. No need to make Chainsaw an OSGi
>>> >> >> package and no need to add additional work.
>>> >> >>
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Christian Grobmeier | 30 Sep 2011 16:51
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Re: Companions -> Chainsaw?

On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 4:46 PM, Scott Deboy <scott.deboy <at> gmail.com> wrote:
> I'm leaning toward keeping them in the same package location - when log4j is
> released, I can remove the classes from Chainsaw and everything will still
> work.

But you need to make a new release of chainsaw together with the new
release of log4j, right?

>
> Scott
>
> On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 7:35 AM, Christian Grobmeier <grobmeier <at> gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 4:26 PM, Scott Deboy <scott.deboy <at> gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > I need to use some of the classes that were copied to core from
>> > receivers in
>> > 1165491 (rewriteappender, utillogginglevel)...
>> >
>> > Will there be a log4j release soon or should I duplicate these classes
>> > in
>> > Chainsaw?  I don't want a log4j release to hold up a Chainsaw release.
>>
>> I doubt there will be a new log4j release in near future. Therefore I
>> am +1 on making Chainsaw independent. To my knowledge it is only 3
>> classes or so, I would go with duplicating them.
>>
>> But I think I would change the package to prevent a conflict with a
>> later log4j which might have the same classes
>>
>>
>>
>> >
>> > Scott
>> >
>> > On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 5:48 AM, Scott Deboy <scott.deboy <at> gmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Definitely!
>> >>
>> >> Anything to simplify things and get this out the door!
>> >>
>> >> Thanks for all your help Christian,
>> >>
>> >> Scott
>> >>
>> >> On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 5:38 AM, Christian Grobmeier
>> >> <grobmeier <at> gmail.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 2:36 PM, Scott Deboy <scott.deboy <at> gmail.com>
>> >>> wrote:
>> >>> > ok, moving ahead with removal then
>> >>>
>> >>> Thanks, and have fun - removing old stuff makes me always feel good,
>> >>> hope it is the same feeling for you :-)
>> >>>
>> >>> >
>> >>> > On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 5:29 AM, Christian Grobmeier
>> >>> > <grobmeier <at> gmail.com>
>> >>> > wrote:
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 2:27 PM, Scott Deboy
>> >>> >> <scott.deboy <at> gmail.com>
>> >>> >> wrote:
>> >>> >> > ok, I'll nuke component and receivers and pull the useful bits in
>> >>> >> > to
>> >>> >> > chainsaw...does that mean we should remove the parent maven
>> >>> >> > project
>> >>> >> > then?
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> If you speak of the parent for Companions: yes.
>> >>> >> I think we can remove the whole Companions tree to the attic then
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> Christian
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> >
>> >>> >> > Scott
>> >>> >> >
>> >>> >> > On Fri, Sep 2, 2011 at 6:55 AM, Curt Arnold <carnold <at> apache.org>
>> >>> >> > wrote:
>> >>> >> >>
>> >>> >> >> Forget the packaging renaming bit. No need to make Chainsaw an
>> >>> >> >> OSGi
>> >>> >> >> package and no need to add additional work.
>> >>> >> >>
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Scott Deboy | 30 Sep 2011 17:53
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Re: Companions -> Chainsaw?

I would need to make a new release of Chainsaw after the log4j release at some point, assuming I needed other things from the updated version of log4j, but right now Chainsaw depends on 1.2.16 and bundles it in the standalone and DMG builds...so I think I'm ok.. (?)

Scott

On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 7:51 AM, Christian Grobmeier <grobmeier <at> gmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 4:46 PM, Scott Deboy <scott.deboy <at> gmail.com> wrote:
> I'm leaning toward keeping them in the same package location - when log4j is
> released, I can remove the classes from Chainsaw and everything will still
> work.

But you need to make a new release of chainsaw together with the new
release of log4j, right?

>
> Scott
>
> On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 7:35 AM, Christian Grobmeier <grobmeier <at> gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 4:26 PM, Scott Deboy <scott.deboy <at> gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > I need to use some of the classes that were copied to core from
>> > receivers in
>> > 1165491 (rewriteappender, utillogginglevel)...
>> >
>> > Will there be a log4j release soon or should I duplicate these classes
>> > in
>> > Chainsaw?  I don't want a log4j release to hold up a Chainsaw release.
>>
>> I doubt there will be a new log4j release in near future. Therefore I
>> am +1 on making Chainsaw independent. To my knowledge it is only 3
>> classes or so, I would go with duplicating them.
>>
>> But I think I would change the package to prevent a conflict with a
>> later log4j which might have the same classes
>>
>>
>>
>> >
>> > Scott
>> >
>> > On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 5:48 AM, Scott Deboy <scott.deboy <at> gmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Definitely!
>> >>
>> >> Anything to simplify things and get this out the door!
>> >>
>> >> Thanks for all your help Christian,
>> >>
>> >> Scott
>> >>
>> >> On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 5:38 AM, Christian Grobmeier
>> >> <grobmeier <at> gmail.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 2:36 PM, Scott Deboy <scott.deboy <at> gmail.com>
>> >>> wrote:
>> >>> > ok, moving ahead with removal then
>> >>>
>> >>> Thanks, and have fun - removing old stuff makes me always feel good,
>> >>> hope it is the same feeling for you :-)
>> >>>
>> >>> >
>> >>> > On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 5:29 AM, Christian Grobmeier
>> >>> > <grobmeier <at> gmail.com>
>> >>> > wrote:
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 2:27 PM, Scott Deboy
>> >>> >> <scott.deboy <at> gmail.com>
>> >>> >> wrote:
>> >>> >> > ok, I'll nuke component and receivers and pull the useful bits in
>> >>> >> > to
>> >>> >> > chainsaw...does that mean we should remove the parent maven
>> >>> >> > project
>> >>> >> > then?
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> If you speak of the parent for Companions: yes.
>> >>> >> I think we can remove the whole Companions tree to the attic then
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> Christian
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> >
>> >>> >> > Scott
>> >>> >> >
>> >>> >> > On Fri, Sep 2, 2011 at 6:55 AM, Curt Arnold <carnold <at> apache.org>
>> >>> >> > wrote:
>> >>> >> >>
>> >>> >> >> Forget the packaging renaming bit. No need to make Chainsaw an
>> >>> >> >> OSGi
>> >>> >> >> package and no need to add additional work.
>> >>> >> >>
>> >>> >> >>
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Re: Companions -> Chainsaw?

On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 5:53 PM, Scott Deboy <scott.deboy <at> gmail.com> wrote:
> I would need to make a new release of Chainsaw after the log4j release at
> some point, assuming I needed other things from the updated version of
> log4j, but right now Chainsaw depends on 1.2.16 and bundles it in the
> standalone and DMG builds...so I think I'm ok.. (?)

Yes, of course you are. I was thinking in the wrong direction. Seems
as I practice the "style of the drunken programmer" today.

Cheers

>
> Scott
>
> On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 7:51 AM, Christian Grobmeier <grobmeier <at> gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 4:46 PM, Scott Deboy <scott.deboy <at> gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > I'm leaning toward keeping them in the same package location - when
>> > log4j is
>> > released, I can remove the classes from Chainsaw and everything will
>> > still
>> > work.
>>
>> But you need to make a new release of chainsaw together with the new
>> release of log4j, right?
>>
>> >
>> > Scott
>> >
>> > On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 7:35 AM, Christian Grobmeier
>> > <grobmeier <at> gmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 4:26 PM, Scott Deboy <scott.deboy <at> gmail.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >> > I need to use some of the classes that were copied to core from
>> >> > receivers in
>> >> > 1165491 (rewriteappender, utillogginglevel)...
>> >> >
>> >> > Will there be a log4j release soon or should I duplicate these
>> >> > classes
>> >> > in
>> >> > Chainsaw?  I don't want a log4j release to hold up a Chainsaw
>> >> > release.
>> >>
>> >> I doubt there will be a new log4j release in near future. Therefore I
>> >> am +1 on making Chainsaw independent. To my knowledge it is only 3
>> >> classes or so, I would go with duplicating them.
>> >>
>> >> But I think I would change the package to prevent a conflict with a
>> >> later log4j which might have the same classes
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> > Scott
>> >> >
>> >> > On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 5:48 AM, Scott Deboy <scott.deboy <at> gmail.com>
>> >> > wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Definitely!
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Anything to simplify things and get this out the door!
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Thanks for all your help Christian,
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Scott
>> >> >>
>> >> >> On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 5:38 AM, Christian Grobmeier
>> >> >> <grobmeier <at> gmail.com>
>> >> >> wrote:
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 2:36 PM, Scott Deboy
>> >> >>> <scott.deboy <at> gmail.com>
>> >> >>> wrote:
>> >> >>> > ok, moving ahead with removal then
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Thanks, and have fun - removing old stuff makes me always feel
>> >> >>> good,
>> >> >>> hope it is the same feeling for you :-)
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> > On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 5:29 AM, Christian Grobmeier
>> >> >>> > <grobmeier <at> gmail.com>
>> >> >>> > wrote:
>> >> >>> >>
>> >> >>> >> On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 2:27 PM, Scott Deboy
>> >> >>> >> <scott.deboy <at> gmail.com>
>> >> >>> >> wrote:
>> >> >>> >> > ok, I'll nuke component and receivers and pull the useful bits
>> >> >>> >> > in
>> >> >>> >> > to
>> >> >>> >> > chainsaw...does that mean we should remove the parent maven
>> >> >>> >> > project
>> >> >>> >> > then?
>> >> >>> >>
>> >> >>> >> If you speak of the parent for Companions: yes.
>> >> >>> >> I think we can remove the whole Companions tree to the attic
>> >> >>> >> then
>> >> >>> >>
>> >> >>> >> Christian
>> >> >>> >>
>> >> >>> >> >
>> >> >>> >> > Scott
>> >> >>> >> >
>> >> >>> >> > On Fri, Sep 2, 2011 at 6:55 AM, Curt Arnold
>> >> >>> >> > <carnold <at> apache.org>
>> >> >>> >> > wrote:
>> >> >>> >> >>
>> >> >>> >> >> Forget the packaging renaming bit. No need to make Chainsaw
>> >> >>> >> >> an
>> >> >>> >> >> OSGi
>> >> >>> >> >> package and no need to add additional work.
>> >> >>> >> >>
>> >> >>> >> >>
>> >> >>> >> >>
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Scott Deboy | 3 Oct 2011 08:17
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Re: Companions -> Chainsaw?

OK, I pulled receivers and component companion sources into Chainsaw in svn 1178304.  Is deleting the entire component and receivers companions hierarchy from svn sufficient or do I need to do something else?

There is also the question of 'companions' only being one now (extras) - not sure what to do site-wise about that.  Maybe completely remove companions and just replace with 'extras'?  Or keep companions and only have extras in it?

Scott

On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 10:04 AM, Christian Grobmeier <grobmeier <at> gmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 5:53 PM, Scott Deboy <scott.deboy <at> gmail.com> wrote:
> I would need to make a new release of Chainsaw after the log4j release at
> some point, assuming I needed other things from the updated version of
> log4j, but right now Chainsaw depends on 1.2.16 and bundles it in the
> standalone and DMG builds...so I think I'm ok.. (?)

Yes, of course you are. I was thinking in the wrong direction. Seems
as I practice the "style of the drunken programmer" today.

Cheers


>
> Scott
>
> On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 7:51 AM, Christian Grobmeier <grobmeier <at> gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 4:46 PM, Scott Deboy <scott.deboy <at> gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > I'm leaning toward keeping them in the same package location - when
>> > log4j is
>> > released, I can remove the classes from Chainsaw and everything will
>> > still
>> > work.
>>
>> But you need to make a new release of chainsaw together with the new
>> release of log4j, right?
>>
>> >
>> > Scott
>> >
>> > On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 7:35 AM, Christian Grobmeier
>> > <grobmeier <at> gmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 4:26 PM, Scott Deboy <scott.deboy <at> gmail.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >> > I need to use some of the classes that were copied to core from
>> >> > receivers in
>> >> > 1165491 (rewriteappender, utillogginglevel)...
>> >> >
>> >> > Will there be a log4j release soon or should I duplicate these
>> >> > classes
>> >> > in
>> >> > Chainsaw?  I don't want a log4j release to hold up a Chainsaw
>> >> > release.
>> >>
>> >> I doubt there will be a new log4j release in near future. Therefore I
>> >> am +1 on making Chainsaw independent. To my knowledge it is only 3
>> >> classes or so, I would go with duplicating them.
>> >>
>> >> But I think I would change the package to prevent a conflict with a
>> >> later log4j which might have the same classes
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> > Scott
>> >> >
>> >> > On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 5:48 AM, Scott Deboy <scott.deboy <at> gmail.com>
>> >> > wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Definitely!
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Anything to simplify things and get this out the door!
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Thanks for all your help Christian,
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Scott
>> >> >>
>> >> >> On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 5:38 AM, Christian Grobmeier
>> >> >> <grobmeier <at> gmail.com>
>> >> >> wrote:
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 2:36 PM, Scott Deboy
>> >> >>> <scott.deboy <at> gmail.com>
>> >> >>> wrote:
>> >> >>> > ok, moving ahead with removal then
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Thanks, and have fun - removing old stuff makes me always feel
>> >> >>> good,
>> >> >>> hope it is the same feeling for you :-)
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> > On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 5:29 AM, Christian Grobmeier
>> >> >>> > <grobmeier <at> gmail.com>
>> >> >>> > wrote:
>> >> >>> >>
>> >> >>> >> On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 2:27 PM, Scott Deboy
>> >> >>> >> <scott.deboy <at> gmail.com>
>> >> >>> >> wrote:
>> >> >>> >> > ok, I'll nuke component and receivers and pull the useful bits
>> >> >>> >> > in
>> >> >>> >> > to
>> >> >>> >> > chainsaw...does that mean we should remove the parent maven
>> >> >>> >> > project
>> >> >>> >> > then?
>> >> >>> >>
>> >> >>> >> If you speak of the parent for Companions: yes.
>> >> >>> >> I think we can remove the whole Companions tree to the attic
>> >> >>> >> then
>> >> >>> >>
>> >> >>> >> Christian
>> >> >>> >>
>> >> >>> >> >
>> >> >>> >> > Scott
>> >> >>> >> >
>> >> >>> >> > On Fri, Sep 2, 2011 at 6:55 AM, Curt Arnold
>> >> >>> >> > <carnold <at> apache.org>
>> >> >>> >> > wrote:
>> >> >>> >> >>
>> >> >>> >> >> Forget the packaging renaming bit. No need to make Chainsaw
>> >> >>> >> >> an
>> >> >>> >> >> OSGi
>> >> >>> >> >> package and no need to add additional work.
>> >> >>> >> >>
>> >> >>> >> >>
>> >> >>> >> >>
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Re: Companions -> Chainsaw?

On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 8:17 AM, Scott Deboy <scott.deboy <at> gmail.com> wrote:
> OK, I pulled receivers and component companion sources into Chainsaw in svn
> 1178304.  Is deleting the entire component and receivers companions
> hierarchy from svn sufficient or do I need to do something else?

we need to update the website, i can help here if you like

> There is also the question of 'companions' only being one now (extras) - not
> sure what to do site-wise about that.  Maybe completely remove companions
> and just replace with 'extras'?  Or keep companions and only have extras in
> it?

Who is actually using extras? probably its time to go to attic too as
there is no development interest (have not a clue here).

Anyway I would remove the companions completely and replace it with
extras, as you suggested.

Cheers
Christian

>
> Scott
>
> On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 10:04 AM, Christian Grobmeier <grobmeier <at> gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 5:53 PM, Scott Deboy <scott.deboy <at> gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > I would need to make a new release of Chainsaw after the log4j release
>> > at
>> > some point, assuming I needed other things from the updated version of
>> > log4j, but right now Chainsaw depends on 1.2.16 and bundles it in the
>> > standalone and DMG builds...so I think I'm ok.. (?)
>>
>> Yes, of course you are. I was thinking in the wrong direction. Seems
>> as I practice the "style of the drunken programmer" today.
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>>
>> >
>> > Scott
>> >
>> > On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 7:51 AM, Christian Grobmeier
>> > <grobmeier <at> gmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 4:46 PM, Scott Deboy <scott.deboy <at> gmail.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >> > I'm leaning toward keeping them in the same package location - when
>> >> > log4j is
>> >> > released, I can remove the classes from Chainsaw and everything will
>> >> > still
>> >> > work.
>> >>
>> >> But you need to make a new release of chainsaw together with the new
>> >> release of log4j, right?
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> > Scott
>> >> >
>> >> > On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 7:35 AM, Christian Grobmeier
>> >> > <grobmeier <at> gmail.com>
>> >> > wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 4:26 PM, Scott Deboy <scott.deboy <at> gmail.com>
>> >> >> wrote:
>> >> >> > I need to use some of the classes that were copied to core from
>> >> >> > receivers in
>> >> >> > 1165491 (rewriteappender, utillogginglevel)...
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Will there be a log4j release soon or should I duplicate these
>> >> >> > classes
>> >> >> > in
>> >> >> > Chainsaw?  I don't want a log4j release to hold up a Chainsaw
>> >> >> > release.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I doubt there will be a new log4j release in near future. Therefore
>> >> >> I
>> >> >> am +1 on making Chainsaw independent. To my knowledge it is only 3
>> >> >> classes or so, I would go with duplicating them.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> But I think I would change the package to prevent a conflict with a
>> >> >> later log4j which might have the same classes
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Scott
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 5:48 AM, Scott Deboy
>> >> >> > <scott.deboy <at> gmail.com>
>> >> >> > wrote:
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Definitely!
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Anything to simplify things and get this out the door!
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Thanks for all your help Christian,
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Scott
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 5:38 AM, Christian Grobmeier
>> >> >> >> <grobmeier <at> gmail.com>
>> >> >> >> wrote:
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>> On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 2:36 PM, Scott Deboy
>> >> >> >>> <scott.deboy <at> gmail.com>
>> >> >> >>> wrote:
>> >> >> >>> > ok, moving ahead with removal then
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>> Thanks, and have fun - removing old stuff makes me always feel
>> >> >> >>> good,
>> >> >> >>> hope it is the same feeling for you :-)
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>> >
>> >> >> >>> > On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 5:29 AM, Christian Grobmeier
>> >> >> >>> > <grobmeier <at> gmail.com>
>> >> >> >>> > wrote:
>> >> >> >>> >>
>> >> >> >>> >> On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 2:27 PM, Scott Deboy
>> >> >> >>> >> <scott.deboy <at> gmail.com>
>> >> >> >>> >> wrote:
>> >> >> >>> >> > ok, I'll nuke component and receivers and pull the useful
>> >> >> >>> >> > bits
>> >> >> >>> >> > in
>> >> >> >>> >> > to
>> >> >> >>> >> > chainsaw...does that mean we should remove the parent maven
>> >> >> >>> >> > project
>> >> >> >>> >> > then?
>> >> >> >>> >>
>> >> >> >>> >> If you speak of the parent for Companions: yes.
>> >> >> >>> >> I think we can remove the whole Companions tree to the attic
>> >> >> >>> >> then
>> >> >> >>> >>
>> >> >> >>> >> Christian
>> >> >> >>> >>
>> >> >> >>> >> >
>> >> >> >>> >> > Scott
>> >> >> >>> >> >
>> >> >> >>> >> > On Fri, Sep 2, 2011 at 6:55 AM, Curt Arnold
>> >> >> >>> >> > <carnold <at> apache.org>
>> >> >> >>> >> > wrote:
>> >> >> >>> >> >>
>> >> >> >>> >> >> Forget the packaging renaming bit. No need to make
>> >> >> >>> >> >> Chainsaw
>> >> >> >>> >> >> an
>> >> >> >>> >> >> OSGi
>> >> >> >>> >> >> package and no need to add additional work.
>> >> >> >>> >> >>
>> >> >> >>> >> >>
>> >> >> >>> >> >>
>> >> >> >>> >> >>
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Scott Deboy | 3 Oct 2011 08:49
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Re: Companions -> Chainsaw?

Thanks Christian,

Extras are useful and should be kept around as is, unless we choose to pull them back in to core...

I agree, replacing companions with just extras seems to be a good choice.

Scott

On Sun, Oct 2, 2011 at 11:41 PM, Christian Grobmeier <grobmeier <at> gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 8:17 AM, Scott Deboy <scott.deboy <at> gmail.com> wrote:
> OK, I pulled receivers and component companion sources into Chainsaw in svn
> 1178304.  Is deleting the entire component and receivers companions
> hierarchy from svn sufficient or do I need to do something else?

we need to update the website, i can help here if you like

> There is also the question of 'companions' only being one now (extras) - not
> sure what to do site-wise about that.  Maybe completely remove companions
> and just replace with 'extras'?  Or keep companions and only have extras in
> it?

Who is actually using extras? probably its time to go to attic too as
there is no development interest (have not a clue here).

Anyway I would remove the companions completely and replace it with
extras, as you suggested.

Cheers
Christian

>
> Scott
>
> On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 10:04 AM, Christian Grobmeier <grobmeier <at> gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 5:53 PM, Scott Deboy <scott.deboy <at> gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > I would need to make a new release of Chainsaw after the log4j release
>> > at
>> > some point, assuming I needed other things from the updated version of
>> > log4j, but right now Chainsaw depends on 1.2.16 and bundles it in the
>> > standalone and DMG builds...so I think I'm ok.. (?)
>>
>> Yes, of course you are. I was thinking in the wrong direction. Seems
>> as I practice the "style of the drunken programmer" today.
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>>
>> >
>> > Scott
>> >
>> > On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 7:51 AM, Christian Grobmeier
>> > <grobmeier <at> gmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 4:46 PM, Scott Deboy <scott.deboy <at> gmail.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >> > I'm leaning toward keeping them in the same package location - when
>> >> > log4j is
>> >> > released, I can remove the classes from Chainsaw and everything will
>> >> > still
>> >> > work.
>> >>
>> >> But you need to make a new release of chainsaw together with the new
>> >> release of log4j, right?
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> > Scott
>> >> >
>> >> > On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 7:35 AM, Christian Grobmeier
>> >> > <grobmeier <at> gmail.com>
>> >> > wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 4:26 PM, Scott Deboy <scott.deboy <at> gmail.com>
>> >> >> wrote:
>> >> >> > I need to use some of the classes that were copied to core from
>> >> >> > receivers in
>> >> >> > 1165491 (rewriteappender, utillogginglevel)...
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Will there be a log4j release soon or should I duplicate these
>> >> >> > classes
>> >> >> > in
>> >> >> > Chainsaw?  I don't want a log4j release to hold up a Chainsaw
>> >> >> > release.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I doubt there will be a new log4j release in near future. Therefore
>> >> >> I
>> >> >> am +1 on making Chainsaw independent. To my knowledge it is only 3
>> >> >> classes or so, I would go with duplicating them.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> But I think I would change the package to prevent a conflict with a
>> >> >> later log4j which might have the same classes
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Scott
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 5:48 AM, Scott Deboy
>> >> >> > <scott.deboy <at> gmail.com>
>> >> >> > wrote:
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Definitely!
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Anything to simplify things and get this out the door!
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Thanks for all your help Christian,
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Scott
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 5:38 AM, Christian Grobmeier
>> >> >> >> <grobmeier <at> gmail.com>
>> >> >> >> wrote:
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>> On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 2:36 PM, Scott Deboy
>> >> >> >>> <scott.deboy <at> gmail.com>
>> >> >> >>> wrote:
>> >> >> >>> > ok, moving ahead with removal then
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>> Thanks, and have fun - removing old stuff makes me always feel
>> >> >> >>> good,
>> >> >> >>> hope it is the same feeling for you :-)
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>> >
>> >> >> >>> > On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 5:29 AM, Christian Grobmeier
>> >> >> >>> > <grobmeier <at> gmail.com>
>> >> >> >>> > wrote:
>> >> >> >>> >>
>> >> >> >>> >> On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 2:27 PM, Scott Deboy
>> >> >> >>> >> <scott.deboy <at> gmail.com>
>> >> >> >>> >> wrote:
>> >> >> >>> >> > ok, I'll nuke component and receivers and pull the useful
>> >> >> >>> >> > bits
>> >> >> >>> >> > in
>> >> >> >>> >> > to
>> >> >> >>> >> > chainsaw...does that mean we should remove the parent maven
>> >> >> >>> >> > project
>> >> >> >>> >> > then?
>> >> >> >>> >>
>> >> >> >>> >> If you speak of the parent for Companions: yes.
>> >> >> >>> >> I think we can remove the whole Companions tree to the attic
>> >> >> >>> >> then
>> >> >> >>> >>
>> >> >> >>> >> Christian
>> >> >> >>> >>
>> >> >> >>> >> >
>> >> >> >>> >> > Scott
>> >> >> >>> >> >
>> >> >> >>> >> > On Fri, Sep 2, 2011 at 6:55 AM, Curt Arnold
>> >> >> >>> >> > <carnold <at> apache.org>
>> >> >> >>> >> > wrote:
>> >> >> >>> >> >>
>> >> >> >>> >> >> Forget the packaging renaming bit. No need to make
>> >> >> >>> >> >> Chainsaw
>> >> >> >>> >> >> an
>> >> >> >>> >> >> OSGi
>> >> >> >>> >> >> package and no need to add additional work.
>> >> >> >>> >> >>
>> >> >> >>> >> >>
>> >> >> >>> >> >>
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Scott Deboy | 4 Oct 2011 18:17
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Re: Companions -> Chainsaw?

Since we never had offiical release of receivers or component, is it ok to nuke them from subversion now?

Christian, do you mind doing site-related stuff?

I'll update wording on the Chainsaw page and update the screenshots...and I think we could be ready soon to vote on a release..

Not sure what to do about web start...thoughts?

Scott

On Sun, Oct 2, 2011 at 11:49 PM, Scott Deboy <scott.deboy <at> gmail.com> wrote:
Thanks Christian,

Extras are useful and should be kept around as is, unless we choose to pull them back in to core...

I agree, replacing companions with just extras seems to be a good choice.

Scott


On Sun, Oct 2, 2011 at 11:41 PM, Christian Grobmeier <grobmeier <at> gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 8:17 AM, Scott Deboy <scott.deboy <at> gmail.com> wrote:
> OK, I pulled receivers and component companion sources into Chainsaw in svn
> 1178304.  Is deleting the entire component and receivers companions
> hierarchy from svn sufficient or do I need to do something else?

we need to update the website, i can help here if you like

> There is also the question of 'companions' only being one now (extras) - not
> sure what to do site-wise about that.  Maybe completely remove companions
> and just replace with 'extras'?  Or keep companions and only have extras in
> it?

Who is actually using extras? probably its time to go to attic too as
there is no development interest (have not a clue here).

Anyway I would remove the companions completely and replace it with
extras, as you suggested.

Cheers
Christian

>
> Scott
>
> On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 10:04 AM, Christian Grobmeier <grobmeier <at> gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 5:53 PM, Scott Deboy <scott.deboy <at> gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > I would need to make a new release of Chainsaw after the log4j release
>> > at
>> > some point, assuming I needed other things from the updated version of
>> > log4j, but right now Chainsaw depends on 1.2.16 and bundles it in the
>> > standalone and DMG builds...so I think I'm ok.. (?)
>>
>> Yes, of course you are. I was thinking in the wrong direction. Seems
>> as I practice the "style of the drunken programmer" today.
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>>
>> >
>> > Scott
>> >
>> > On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 7:51 AM, Christian Grobmeier
>> > <grobmeier <at> gmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 4:46 PM, Scott Deboy <scott.deboy <at> gmail.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >> > I'm leaning toward keeping them in the same package location - when
>> >> > log4j is
>> >> > released, I can remove the classes from Chainsaw and everything will
>> >> > still
>> >> > work.
>> >>
>> >> But you need to make a new release of chainsaw together with the new
>> >> release of log4j, right?
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> > Scott
>> >> >
>> >> > On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 7:35 AM, Christian Grobmeier
>> >> > <grobmeier <at> gmail.com>
>> >> > wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 4:26 PM, Scott Deboy <scott.deboy <at> gmail.com>
>> >> >> wrote:
>> >> >> > I need to use some of the classes that were copied to core from
>> >> >> > receivers in
>> >> >> > 1165491 (rewriteappender, utillogginglevel)...
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Will there be a log4j release soon or should I duplicate these
>> >> >> > classes
>> >> >> > in
>> >> >> > Chainsaw?  I don't want a log4j release to hold up a Chainsaw
>> >> >> > release.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I doubt there will be a new log4j release in near future. Therefore
>> >> >> I
>> >> >> am +1 on making Chainsaw independent. To my knowledge it is only 3
>> >> >> classes or so, I would go with duplicating them.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> But I think I would change the package to prevent a conflict with a
>> >> >> later log4j which might have the same classes
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Scott
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 5:48 AM, Scott Deboy
>> >> >> > <scott.deboy <at> gmail.com>
>> >> >> > wrote:
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Definitely!
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Anything to simplify things and get this out the door!
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Thanks for all your help Christian,
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Scott
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 5:38 AM, Christian Grobmeier
>> >> >> >> <grobmeier <at> gmail.com>
>> >> >> >> wrote:
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>> On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 2:36 PM, Scott Deboy
>> >> >> >>> <scott.deboy <at> gmail.com>
>> >> >> >>> wrote:
>> >> >> >>> > ok, moving ahead with removal then
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>> Thanks, and have fun - removing old stuff makes me always feel
>> >> >> >>> good,
>> >> >> >>> hope it is the same feeling for you :-)
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>> >
>> >> >> >>> > On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 5:29 AM, Christian Grobmeier
>> >> >> >>> > <grobmeier <at> gmail.com>
>> >> >> >>> > wrote:
>> >> >> >>> >>
>> >> >> >>> >> On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 2:27 PM, Scott Deboy
>> >> >> >>> >> <scott.deboy <at> gmail.com>
>> >> >> >>> >> wrote:
>> >> >> >>> >> > ok, I'll nuke component and receivers and pull the useful
>> >> >> >>> >> > bits
>> >> >> >>> >> > in
>> >> >> >>> >> > to
>> >> >> >>> >> > chainsaw...does that mean we should remove the parent maven
>> >> >> >>> >> > project
>> >> >> >>> >> > then?
>> >> >> >>> >>
>> >> >> >>> >> If you speak of the parent for Companions: yes.
>> >> >> >>> >> I think we can remove the whole Companions tree to the attic
>> >> >> >>> >> then
>> >> >> >>> >>
>> >> >> >>> >> Christian
>> >> >> >>> >>
>> >> >> >>> >> >
>> >> >> >>> >> > Scott
>> >> >> >>> >> >
>> >> >> >>> >> > On Fri, Sep 2, 2011 at 6:55 AM, Curt Arnold
>> >> >> >>> >> > <carnold <at> apache.org>
>> >> >> >>> >> > wrote:
>> >> >> >>> >> >>
>> >> >> >>> >> >> Forget the packaging renaming bit. No need to make
>> >> >> >>> >> >> Chainsaw
>> >> >> >>> >> >> an
>> >> >> >>> >> >> OSGi
>> >> >> >>> >> >> package and no need to add additional work.
>> >> >> >>> >> >>
>> >> >> >>> >> >>
>> >> >> >>> >> >>
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