Creating icons and other art

David Vignoni | 1 May 2007 15:46

[kde-artists] KDE/kdelibs/pics/oxygen

SVN commit 660080 by vignoni:

new opendocument text. document.svg set to be the same of empty.svg

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James Richard Tyrer | 4 May 2007 17:27

Re: [kde-artists] KDE/kdelibs/pics/oxygen

David Vignoni wrote:
> SVN commit 660080 by vignoni:
> 
> new opendocument text. document.svg set to be the same of empty.svg
> 
> 
>  M             128x128/mimetypes/application-vnd.oasis.opendocument.text.png  
>  M             128x128/mimetypes/document.png  
>  M             16x16/mimetypes/application-vnd.oasis.opendocument.text.png  
>  M             16x16/mimetypes/document.png  
>  M             22x22/mimetypes/application-vnd.oasis.opendocument.text.png  
>  M             22x22/mimetypes/document.png  
>  M             32x32/mimetypes/application-vnd.oasis.opendocument.text.png  
>  M             32x32/mimetypes/document.png  
>  M             48x48/mimetypes/application-vnd.oasis.opendocument.text.png  
>  M             48x48/mimetypes/document.png  
>  M             64x64/mimetypes/application-vnd.oasis.opendocument.text.png  
>  M             64x64/mimetypes/document.png  

I also feel that the ODF MIME type icons should have the ODF logo on them.

I also note that these icons are problematic.  IMHO, a class case of 
what we should avoid in icons.  The SVG icon is too detailed.  As a 
result, when it is rendered is smaller sizes it becomes useless.  The 
PNG icons for 16x16 and 22x22 and possibly 32x32 need to be hand 
optimized to increase their visibility.  However, with an icon this 
detailed, this is not really possible.

I suggest something like the attached which can be optimized in the 
small sizes.  For ODF text, the ODF logo should be added.

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David Vignoni | 4 May 2007 21:18

Re: [kde-artists] KDE/kdelibs/pics/oxygen

Il giorno 04/mag/07, alle ore 17:27, James Richard Tyrer ha scritto:

David Vignoni wrote:

SVN commit 660080 by vignoni:

new opendocument text. document.svg set to be the same of empty.svg

M 128x128/mimetypes/application-vnd.oasis.opendocument.text.png M 128x128/mimetypes/document.png M 16x16/mimetypes/application-vnd.oasis.opendocument.text.png M 16x16/mimetypes/document.png M 22x22/mimetypes/application-vnd.oasis.opendocument.text.png M 22x22/mimetypes/document.png M 32x32/mimetypes/application-vnd.oasis.opendocument.text.png M 32x32/mimetypes/document.png M 48x48/mimetypes/application-vnd.oasis.opendocument.text.png M 48x48/mimetypes/document.png M 64x64/mimetypes/application-vnd.oasis.opendocument.text.png M 64x64/mimetypes/document.png

I also feel that the ODF MIME type icons should have the ODF logo on them.

I also note that these icons are problematic. IMHO, a class case of what we should avoid in icons. The SVG icon is too detailed. As a result, when it is rendered is smaller sizes it becomes useless. The PNG icons for 16x16 and 22x22 and possibly 32x32 need to be hand optimized to increase their visibility. However, with an icon this detailed, this is not really possible.

with that detailed icons it still possible to make reasonably detailed small versions, but now we are first making all the mime designs, than we will think about fixing those small version.

And no. We are not going to make a prehistoric icon theme only because it has to look good at 16x16 and 22x22.

David

I suggest something like the attached which can be optimized in the small sizes. For ODF text, the ODF logo should be added.

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David Vignoni | 4 May 2007 21:18

Re: [kde-artists] KDE/kdelibs/pics/oxygen

Il giorno 04/mag/07, alle ore 17:27, James Richard Tyrer ha scritto:

David Vignoni wrote:

SVN commit 660080 by vignoni:

new opendocument text. document.svg set to be the same of empty.svg

M 128x128/mimetypes/application-vnd.oasis.opendocument.text.png M 128x128/mimetypes/document.png M 16x16/mimetypes/application-vnd.oasis.opendocument.text.png M 16x16/mimetypes/document.png M 22x22/mimetypes/application-vnd.oasis.opendocument.text.png M 22x22/mimetypes/document.png M 32x32/mimetypes/application-vnd.oasis.opendocument.text.png M 32x32/mimetypes/document.png M 48x48/mimetypes/application-vnd.oasis.opendocument.text.png M 48x48/mimetypes/document.png M 64x64/mimetypes/application-vnd.oasis.opendocument.text.png M 64x64/mimetypes/document.png

I also feel that the ODF MIME type icons should have the ODF logo on them.

I also note that these icons are problematic. IMHO, a class case of what we should avoid in icons. The SVG icon is too detailed. As a result, when it is rendered is smaller sizes it becomes useless. The PNG icons for 16x16 and 22x22 and possibly 32x32 need to be hand optimized to increase their visibility. However, with an icon this detailed, this is not really possible.

with that detailed icons it still possible to make reasonably detailed small versions, but now we are first making all the mime designs, than we will think about fixing those small version.

And no. We are not going to make a prehistoric icon theme only because it has to look good at 16x16 and 22x22.

David

I suggest something like the attached which can be optimized in the small sizes. For ODF text, the ODF logo should be added.

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JRT
<document.png>
<document.png>
<document.png>
<document.png>

David Vignoni, david <at> oxygen-icons.org

OXYGEN icon theme director and designer

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Thomas Zander | 3 May 2007 07:40

Re: KDE/kdelibs/pics/oxygen

On Tuesday 01 May 2007 15:46:01 David Vignoni wrote:
> SVN commit 660080 by vignoni:
>
> new opendocument text. document.svg set to be the same of empty.svg

Why is there no longer the ODF overlay on the  
application-vnd.oasis.opendocument.text.svg ?

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David Vignoni | 3 May 2007 19:15

Re: [kde-artists] KDE/kdelibs/pics/oxygen

We think that being odf mime default for many office suites they should be the more generic possible.

Adding a logo to it would make users think that's the logo of the office suite, while it's not in this case.

Is ODF really a vendor?

David

Il giorno 03/mag/07, alle ore 07:40, Thomas Zander ha scritto:

On Tuesday 01 May 2007 15:46:01 David Vignoni wrote:

SVN commit 660080 by vignoni:

new opendocument text. document.svg set to be the same of empty.svg

Why is there no longer the ODF overlay on the

application-vnd.oasis.opendocument.text.svg ?

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Thomas Zander

David Vignoni, david <at> oxygen-icons.org

OXYGEN icon theme director and designer

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Thomas Zander | 3 May 2007 20:15

Re: [kde-artists] KDE/kdelibs/pics/oxygen

Since this is about a mime-type the icon will be shown for all files that 
match it.
Which means that files from OpenOffice, from KWord and from other sources 
all share this icon.

The idea of having the 'odf' logo was to counter the problem that there is 
no application that you can identify the file with anymore.  But you 
still need something to say its an 'office' file.

So, in that respect ODF can be seen as a vendor. As its the type of all 
the different office fileformats.

On Thursday 03 May 2007 19:15:47 David Vignoni wrote:
> We think that being odf mime default for many office suites they
> should be the more generic possible.
> Adding a logo to it would make users think that's the logo of the
> office suite, while it's not in this case.
> Is ODF really a vendor?
>
> David
>
> Il giorno 03/mag/07, alle ore 07:40, Thomas Zander ha scritto:
> > On Tuesday 01 May 2007 15:46:01 David Vignoni wrote:
> >> SVN commit 660080 by vignoni:
> >>
> >> new opendocument text. document.svg set to be the same of empty.svg
> >
> > Why is there no longer the ODF overlay on the
> > application-vnd.oasis.opendocument.text.svg ?

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David Vignoni | 4 May 2007 14:47

Re: [kde-artists] KDE/kdelibs/pics/oxygen

Il giorno 03/mag/07, alle ore 20:15, Thomas Zander ha scritto:

Since this is about a mime-type the icon will be shown for all files that

match it.

Which means that files from OpenOffice, from KWord and from other sources

all share this icon.

The idea of having the 'odf' logo was to counter the problem that there is

no application that you can identify the file with anymore. But you

still need something to say its an 'office' file.

From my point of view it's not the logo that make the icon mean it's an office icon. Also because the ODF logo doesn't help to understand that.

If I see a set of icons that are clearly office related and have the ODF logo, I would probably look for a ODF Office Suite. I'm not sure the avarege user know what's the ODF initiative is.

So right now, all the office related documents have the dots on the side or a sort of ruler for the template.

I'm open to change this in the future but for now we're trying finish the default office mime without the ODF logo in it.

David

So, in that respect ODF can be seen as a vendor. As its the type of all

the different office fileformats.

On Thursday 03 May 2007 19:15:47 David Vignoni wrote:

We think that being odf mime default for many office suites they

should be the more generic possible.

Adding a logo to it would make users think that's the logo of the

office suite, while it's not in this case.

Is ODF really a vendor?

David

Il giorno 03/mag/07, alle ore 07:40, Thomas Zander ha scritto:

On Tuesday 01 May 2007 15:46:01 David Vignoni wrote:

SVN commit 660080 by vignoni:

new opendocument text. document.svg set to be the same of empty.svg

Why is there no longer the ODF overlay on the

application-vnd.oasis.opendocument.text.svg ?

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Thomas Zander

David Vignoni, david <at> oxygen-icons.org

OXYGEN icon theme director and designer

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pinheiro | 4 May 2007 17:52

Re: [kde-artists] KDE/kdelibs/pics/oxygen

A Friday 04 May 2007 13:47:19, David Vignoni escreveu:
> Il giorno 03/mag/07, alle ore 20:15, Thomas Zander ha scritto:
> > Since this is about a mime-type the icon will be shown for all
> > files that
> > match it.
> > Which means that files from OpenOffice, from KWord and from other
> > sources
> > all share this icon.
> >
> > The idea of having the 'odf' logo was to counter the problem that
> > there is
> > no application that you can identify the file with anymore.  But you
> > still need something to say its an 'office' file.
>
>  From my point of view it's not the logo that make the icon mean it's
> an office icon. Also because the ODF logo doesn't help to understand
> that.
> If I see a set of icons that are clearly office related and have the
> ODF logo, I would probably look for a ODF Office Suite. I'm not sure
> the avarege user know what's the ODF initiative is.
>
> So right now, all the office related documents have the dots on the
> side or a sort of ruler for the template.
> I'm open to change this in the future but for now we're trying finish
> the default office mime without  the ODF logo in it.
>
> David

has i stated before i agrea with david on this mater.
also the odf logo is a bit complicated to do small at least 8x8 px and that is 
cousing some problem on the samall mimes.
of has we all expect odf becomes the standard document format there is litle 
point in puting logo's in it IMO

cheers 
nuno pinheiro
 >
> > So, in that respect ODF can be seen as a vendor. As its the type of
> > all
> > the different office fileformats.
> >
> > On Thursday 03 May 2007 19:15:47 David Vignoni wrote:
> >> We think that being odf mime default for many office suites they
> >> should be the more generic possible.
> >> Adding a logo to it would make users think that's the logo of the
> >> office suite, while it's not in this case.
> >> Is ODF really a vendor?
> >>
> >> David
> >>
> >> Il giorno 03/mag/07, alle ore 07:40, Thomas Zander ha scritto:
> >>> On Tuesday 01 May 2007 15:46:01 David Vignoni wrote:
> >>>> SVN commit 660080 by vignoni:
> >>>>
> >>>> new opendocument text. document.svg set to be the same of empty.svg
> >>>
> >>> Why is there no longer the ODF overlay on the
> >>> application-vnd.oasis.opendocument.text.svg ?
> >
> > --
> > Thomas Zander
>
> David Vignoni, david <at> oxygen-icons.org
> OXYGEN icon theme director and designer

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David Vignoni | 3 May 2007 19:15

Re: KDE/kdelibs/pics/oxygen

We think that being odf mime default for many office suites they should be the more generic possible.

Adding a logo to it would make users think that's the logo of the office suite, while it's not in this case.

Is ODF really a vendor?

David

Il giorno 03/mag/07, alle ore 07:40, Thomas Zander ha scritto:

On Tuesday 01 May 2007 15:46:01 David Vignoni wrote:

SVN commit 660080 by vignoni:

new opendocument text. document.svg set to be the same of empty.svg

Why is there no longer the ODF overlay on the

application-vnd.oasis.opendocument.text.svg ?

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Thomas Zander

David Vignoni, david <at> oxygen-icons.org

OXYGEN icon theme director and designer

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James Richard Tyrer | 4 May 2007 17:27

Re: [kde-artists] KDE/kdelibs/pics/oxygen

David Vignoni wrote:
> SVN commit 660080 by vignoni:
> 
> new opendocument text. document.svg set to be the same of empty.svg
> 
> 
>  M             128x128/mimetypes/application-vnd.oasis.opendocument.text.png  
>  M             128x128/mimetypes/document.png  
>  M             16x16/mimetypes/application-vnd.oasis.opendocument.text.png  
>  M             16x16/mimetypes/document.png  
>  M             22x22/mimetypes/application-vnd.oasis.opendocument.text.png  
>  M             22x22/mimetypes/document.png  
>  M             32x32/mimetypes/application-vnd.oasis.opendocument.text.png  
>  M             32x32/mimetypes/document.png  
>  M             48x48/mimetypes/application-vnd.oasis.opendocument.text.png  
>  M             48x48/mimetypes/document.png  
>  M             64x64/mimetypes/application-vnd.oasis.opendocument.text.png  
>  M             64x64/mimetypes/document.png  

I also feel that the ODF MIME type icons should have the ODF logo on them.

I also note that these icons are problematic.  IMHO, a class case of 
what we should avoid in icons.  The SVG icon is too detailed.  As a 
result, when it is rendered is smaller sizes it becomes useless.  The 
PNG icons for 16x16 and 22x22 and possibly 32x32 need to be hand 
optimized to increase their visibility.  However, with an icon this 
detailed, this is not really possible.

I suggest something like the attached which can be optimized in the 
small sizes.  For ODF text, the ODF logo should be added.

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