Creating icons and other art

Hermann Thomas | 14 Nov 2011 21:34

[kde-artists] User Icons

Hi All,
I finished my little contribution to KDE.

You can find it in my Wuala drive as single files, or as a .tar. Just put all of them into your 
/usr/share/kde4/apps/kdm/pics/users/ 
folder and go to systemsettings/user details

https://www.wuala.com/hermann.thomas/Fotos/kde/?key=fM4NS4n2TeqL&mode=gallery

You will have all as a choice for your new Avatar.

What I need now is the clarification about the License. The Photographer likes the creative commons. If
that would be possible that would be the best thing.

The Other thing is to delete all old user Icons there are in the 4.8 trunk and replace with the new Set. We can
have changes at 4.9.

Who can Help me finish this task?

thanks,
Hermann
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Nuno Pinheiro | 15 Nov 2011 12:16

Re: [kde-artists] User Icons

A Segunda, 14 de Novembro de 2011 20:34:25 Hermann Thomas você escreveu:
> Hi All,
> I finished my little contribution to KDE.
> 
> You can find it in my Wuala drive as single files, or as a .tar. Just put
> all of them into your /usr/share/kde4/apps/kdm/pics/users/
> folder and go to systemsettings/user details
> 
> https://www.wuala.com/hermann.thomas/Fotos/kde/?key=fM4NS4n2TeqL&mode=galle
> ry
> 
> You will have all as a choice for your new Avatar.
> 
> What I need now is the clarification about the License. The Photographer
> likes the creative commons. If that would be possible that would be the
> best thing.
> 
> The Other thing is to delete all old user Icons there are in the 4.8 trunk
> and replace with the new Set. We can have changes at 4.9.
> 
> Who can Help me finish this task?
> 
> 
> thanks,
> Hermann

cc licences were not considered a open licence by debian...(duno if that 
changed in the meantime)
any way in oxygen for example we use LGPL wich is kinda like the most 
premissive cc licence (without the focus on the money issue that was the

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Hermann Thomas | 18 Nov 2011 13:05

Re: [kde-artists] User Icons

Hi,
Me and the Author of the pictures will release the Icons under the LGPL.
So there ins only one thing left to do.

Who can help me enter them into the Repository?

I don't have any rights to do so.

Tho other thing is that this Work/Licence is only valid if all other old Icons get deleted. That is for 4.8. 
Please see this as an evolution like all parts of KDE made during the years. In future there can be others and
New Icons of this kind.

I am also not sure about the Credits file. Can there be such a thing with all the Credits and License Information?

Thanks,
Hermann

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> Datum: Tue, 15 Nov 2011 11:16:54 +0000
> Von: Nuno Pinheiro <nuno <at> oxygen-icons.org>
> An: kde-artists <at> kde.org
> CC: "Hermann Thomas" <H.Thomas <at> gmx.de>
> Betreff: Re: [kde-artists] User Icons

> A Segunda, 14 de Novembro de 2011 20:34:25 Hermann Thomas você escreveu:
> > Hi All,
> > I finished my little contribution to KDE.
> > 
> > You can find it in my Wuala drive as single files, or as a .tar. Just
> put

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Riccardo Iaconelli | 27 Dec 2011 20:59

Re: [kde-artists] User Icons

On Friday 18 November 2011 13:05:10 Hermann Thomas wrote:
> Who can help me enter them into the Repository?

Hi,
do you still need help?

Bye,
-Riccardo

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Hermann Thomas | 28 Dec 2011 13:54

Re: [kde-artists] User Icons

Hi Ricardo,
thanks for your help, but It seems hopeless anyway. As long as Kim
Jong Ossi is the KDM Maintainer, there is no chance that anything will
happen. I will try to contact the Kubuntu guys and try to get it at
least into a distribution. Maybe even the opensuse people. The Other
thing I will try is to get them into LightDM. That DM looks quite
promising.

The thing which bothers me most is the fact that the kde greeter is
one of the most important programs of KDE, yet the least developed in
the whole Desktop Market. This is due to the fact that its usually the
first program there is when you start your machine. That's why I cant
understand that some smartass like Ossi can just block up the
development.

I think the greeter need a maintainer by itself.

Anyway you can take the Icons I did so far with the copyright notice.
You must also, at least for one Version, take them as a set with no
other older Icons there where so far. That is the condition.
https://www.wuala.com/hermann.thomas/Fotos/kde/?key=fM4NS4n2TeqL&mode=gallery

thanks,
Hermann

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> Datum: Tue, 27 Dec 2011 20:59:35 +0100
> Von: Riccardo Iaconelli <riccardo <at> kde.org>
> An: kde-artists <at> kde.org
> CC: Hermann Thomas <H.Thomas <at> gmx.de>

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Sebastian Kügler | 3 Jan 2012 11:31

Re: [kde-artists] User Icons

Hi Hermann,

On Wednesday, December 28, 2011 13:54:43 Hermann Thomas wrote:
> thanks for your help, but It seems hopeless anyway. As long as Kim
> Jong Ossi is the KDM Maintainer, there is no chance that anything will
> happen. 

What is the problem here exactly? (Please, without snarky insults, I'd like to 
get this stuff merged in as well.)

> I will try to contact the Kubuntu guys and try to get it at
> least into a distribution. Maybe even the opensuse people. The Other
> thing I will try is to get them into LightDM. That DM looks quite
> promising.

That's a bad idea, distro-patches / changes generally make our lives harder, 
increase support load, increase packagers' workload, etc.

> The thing which bothers me most is the fact that the kde greeter is
> one of the most important programs of KDE, yet the least developed in
> the whole Desktop Market. This is due to the fact that its usually the
> first program there is when you start your machine. That's why I cant
> understand that some smartass like Ossi can just block up the
> development.

Can you please back that statement up? Ossi has been maintaining KDM for 
years, and while he's not always easy to work with, KDM is a cornerstone in 
stability and security, mainly thanks to Ossi.

> I think the greeter need a maintainer by itself.

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Nuno Pinheiro | 3 Jan 2012 16:24

Re: [kde-artists] User Icons

A Terça, 3 de Janeiro de 2012 10:31:12 Sebastian Kügler você escreveu:

> Hi Hermann,

> On Wednesday, December 28, 2011 13:54:43 Hermann Thomas wrote:

> > thanks for your help, but It seems hopeless anyway. As long as Kim

> > Jong Ossi is the KDM Maintainer, there is no chance that anything will

> > happen.

> What is the problem here exactly? (Please, without snarky insults, I'd like

> to get this stuff merged in as well.)

> > I will try to contact the Kubuntu guys and try to get it at

> > least into a distribution. Maybe even the opensuse people. The Other

> > thing I will try is to get them into LightDM. That DM looks quite

> > promising.

> That's a bad idea, distro-patches / changes generally make our lives

> harder, increase support load, increase packagers' workload, etc.

> > The thing which bothers me most is the fact that the kde greeter is

> > one of the most important programs of KDE, yet the least developed in

> > the whole Desktop Market. This is due to the fact that its usually the

> > first program there is when you start your machine. That's why I cant

> > understand that some smartass like Ossi can just block up the

> > development.

> Can you please back that statement up? Ossi has been maintaining KDM for

> years, and while he's not always easy to work with, KDM is a cornerstone in

> stability and security, mainly thanks to Ossi.

> > I think the greeter need a maintainer by itself.

> >

> > Anyway you can take the Icons I did so far with the copyright notice.

> > You must also, at least for one Version, take them as a set with no

> > other older Icons there where so far. That is the condition.

> > https://www.wuala.com/hermann.thomas/Fotos/kde/?key=fM4NS4n2TeqL&mode=gal

> > le ry

> That condition is incompatible with the LGPL. This license allows you to

> combine the work with other works, that's one of the most important points.

> UI-wise, I understand your concern (consistency and all that), but it

> breaks the license, so cannot be shipped with under this condition. Would

> you reconsider it? (We can still replace all older icons with newer ones,

> but it would mean breaking existing setups, which we generally don't do

> lightly.)

> Cheers,

Also can you get a version without the jpeg compression artifacts???

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Christoph Feck | 3 Jan 2012 23:24

Re: [kde-artists] User Icons

On Tuesday 03 January 2012 16:24:27 Nuno Pinheiro wrote:
> A Terça, 3 de Janeiro de 2012 10:31:12 Sebastian Kügler você 
escreveu:
> > Hi Hermann,
> > 
> > On Wednesday, December 28, 2011 13:54:43 Hermann Thomas 
wrote:
> > > thanks for your help, but It seems hopeless anyway. As long as
> > > Kim Jong Ossi is the KDM Maintainer, there is no chance that
> > > anything will happen.
> > 
> > What is the problem here exactly? (Please, without snarky
> > insults, I'd like to get this stuff merged in as well.)
> > 
> > > I will try to contact the Kubuntu guys and try to get it at
> > > least into a distribution. Maybe even the opensuse people. The
> > > Other thing I will try is to get them into LightDM. That DM
> > > looks quite promising.
> > 
> > That's a bad idea, distro-patches / changes generally make our
> > lives harder, increase support load, increase packagers'
> > workload, etc.
> > 
> > > The thing which bothers me most is the fact that the kde
> > > greeter is one of the most important programs of KDE, yet the
> > > least developed in the whole Desktop Market. This is due to
> > > the fact that its usually the first program there is when you
> > > start your machine. That's why I cant understand that some
> > > smartass like Ossi can just block up the development.
> > 
> > Can you please back that statement up? Ossi has been maintaining
> > KDM for years, and while he's not always easy to work with, KDM
> > is a cornerstone in stability and security, mainly thanks to
> > Ossi.
> > 
> > > I think the greeter need a maintainer by itself.
> > > 
> > > Anyway you can take the Icons I did so far with the copyright
> > > notice. You must also, at least for one Version, take them as
> > > a set with no other older Icons there where so far. That is
> > > the condition.
> > > 
https://www.wuala.com/hermann.thomas/Fotos/kde/?key=fM4NS4n2Te
> > > qL&mode=gal le ry
> > 
> > That condition is incompatible with the LGPL. This license allows
> > you to combine the work with other works, that's one of the most
> > important points.
> > 
> > UI-wise, I understand your concern (consistency and all that),
> > but it breaks the license, so cannot be shipped with under this
> > condition. Would you reconsider it? (We can still replace all
> > older icons with newer ones, but it would mean breaking existing
> > setups, which we generally don't do lightly.)
> > 
> > Cheers,
> 
> Also can you get a version without the jpeg compression
> artifacts???

The JPEGs are generated by Wuala's thumbnail view, the actual files 
are PNG and have no artifacts (I checked 'basketball' and 'bridge', 
those looked scary in the thumbnails view).

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Nuno Pinheiro | 4 Jan 2012 11:34

Re: [kde-artists] User Icons

A Terça, 3 de Janeiro de 2012 22:24:00 Christoph Feck você escreveu:

> On Tuesday 03 January 2012 16:24:27 Nuno Pinheiro wrote:

> > A Terça, 3 de Janeiro de 2012 10:31:12 Sebastian Kügler você

> escreveu:

> > > Hi Hermann,

> > >

> > > On Wednesday, December 28, 2011 13:54:43 Hermann Thomas

> wrote:

> > > > thanks for your help, but It seems hopeless anyway. As long as

> > > > Kim Jong Ossi is the KDM Maintainer, there is no chance that

> > > > anything will happen.

> > >

> > > What is the problem here exactly? (Please, without snarky

> > > insults, I'd like to get this stuff merged in as well.)

> > >

> > > > I will try to contact the Kubuntu guys and try to get it at

> > > > least into a distribution. Maybe even the opensuse people. The

> > > > Other thing I will try is to get them into LightDM. That DM

> > > > looks quite promising.

> > >

> > > That's a bad idea, distro-patches / changes generally make our

> > > lives harder, increase support load, increase packagers'

> > > workload, etc.

> > >

> > > > The thing which bothers me most is the fact that the kde

> > > > greeter is one of the most important programs of KDE, yet the

> > > > least developed in the whole Desktop Market. This is due to

> > > > the fact that its usually the first program there is when you

> > > > start your machine. That's why I cant understand that some

> > > > smartass like Ossi can just block up the development.

> > >

> > > Can you please back that statement up? Ossi has been maintaining

> > > KDM for years, and while he's not always easy to work with, KDM

> > > is a cornerstone in stability and security, mainly thanks to

> > > Ossi.

> > >

> > > > I think the greeter need a maintainer by itself.

> > > >

> > > > Anyway you can take the Icons I did so far with the copyright

> > > > notice. You must also, at least for one Version, take them as

> > > > a set with no other older Icons there where so far. That is

> > > > the condition.

> https://www.wuala.com/hermann.thomas/Fotos/kde/?key=fM4NS4n2Te

> > > > qL&mode=gal le ry

> > >

> > > That condition is incompatible with the LGPL. This license allows

> > > you to combine the work with other works, that's one of the most

> > > important points.

> > >

> > > UI-wise, I understand your concern (consistency and all that),

> > > but it breaks the license, so cannot be shipped with under this

> > > condition. Would you reconsider it? (We can still replace all

> > > older icons with newer ones, but it would mean breaking existing

> > > setups, which we generally don't do lightly.)

> > >

> > > Cheers,

> >

> > Also can you get a version without the jpeg compression

> > artifacts???

> The JPEGs are generated by Wuala's thumbnail view, the actual files

> are PNG and have no artifacts (I checked 'basketball' and 'bridge',

> those looked scary in the thumbnails view).

super cool thanks, was cocerned :)

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Oswald Buddenhagen | 4 Jan 2012 09:13

Re: [kde-artists] User Icons

On Tue, Jan 03, 2012 at 11:31:12AM +0100, Sebastian Kügler wrote:
> (We can still replace all older icons with newer ones, but it would
> mean breaking existing setups, which we generally don't do lightly.)
> 
actually, it wouldn't break anything, as the icons are physically copied
for use. which also means that the restrictive license clause is
pointless, especially because on most systems users can set entirely
random images for their own avatars. mwahaha

i want to see at least the technical issues from my previous mail
addressed.
never mind that i don't consider the photographer particularly competent
(the lighting in many of the images sucks). and visual fit with the
surroundings is overrated anyway - we are kde, after all.
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Nuno Pinheiro | 4 Jan 2012 11:37

Re: [kde-artists] User Icons

A Quarta, 4 de Janeiro de 2012 08:13:03 Oswald Buddenhagen você escreveu:

> On Tue, Jan 03, 2012 at 11:31:12AM +0100, Sebastian Kügler wrote:

> > (We can still replace all older icons with newer ones, but it would

> > mean breaking existing setups, which we generally don't do lightly.)

> actually, it wouldn't break anything, as the icons are physically copied

> for use. which also means that the restrictive license clause is

> pointless, especially because on most systems users can set entirely

> random images for their own avatars. mwahaha

> i want to see at least the technical issues from my previous mail

> addressed.

> never mind that i don't consider the photographer particularly competent

> (the lighting in many of the images sucks). and visual fit with the

> surroundings is overrated anyway - we are kde, after all.

not startinhg a bikeshead, but that colection is way better than waht we have now, so I see it as a "moving foward", nothing is perfect never is.

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Hermann Thomas | 4 Jan 2012 13:40

Re: [kde-artists] User Icons

Hi Nuno,
yes I see it like you do This set is suppose to start an evolution. There will be better Icons in the Future.
Ossi argues there are to many of the same kind (e.g. Flowers) But someone like my wife actually likes to have
a colourful diversity.

What I meant by saying that you must take all, and delete the old ones is like that was done with wallpapers and
other code before. Some old things simply must go. That condition I posted is only for this ONE KDE release.
If others take the code base with the pictures, they can do what the LGPL gives them the right to do. With the
following next release I will accept that KDE (this artist list) will add other Icons and delete some
again. Just for one time I would like to see one whole set as a new start.

I Hope that clears my position.

thanks,
Hermann 

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> Datum: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 10:37:47 +0000
> Von: Nuno Pinheiro <nuno <at> oxygen-icons.org>
> An: kde-artists <at> kde.org
> Betreff: Re: [kde-artists] User Icons

> A Quarta, 4 de Janeiro de 2012 08:13:03 Oswald Buddenhagen você escreveu:
> > On Tue, Jan 03, 2012 at 11:31:12AM +0100, Sebastian Kügler wrote:
> > > (We can still replace all older icons with newer ones, but it would
> > > mean breaking existing setups, which we generally don't do lightly.)
> > 
> > actually, it wouldn't break anything, as the icons are physically copied
> > for use. which also means that the restrictive license clause is
> > pointless, especially because on most systems users can set entirely
> > random images for their own avatars. mwahaha
> > 
> > i want to see at least the technical issues from my previous mail
> > addressed.
> > never mind that i don't consider the photographer particularly competent
> > (the lighting in many of the images sucks). and visual fit with the
> > surroundings is overrated anyway - we are kde, after all.
> 
> not startinhg a bikeshead, but that colection is way better than waht we
> have 
> now, so I see it as a "moving foward", nothing is perfect never is.
> 
> >
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> > https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-artists
> 
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Sebastian Kügler | 9 Jan 2012 11:42

Re: [kde-artists] User Icons

On Wednesday, January 04, 2012 09:13:03 Oswald Buddenhagen wrote:
> i want to see at least the technical issues from my previous mail
> addressed.

I can't find that email, could you give a pointer? It's very hard to find out 
what is going wrong here otherwise...

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Sebastian Kügler | 9 Jan 2012 11:45

Re: [kde-artists] User Icons

On Monday, January 09, 2012 11:42:31 Sebastian Kügler wrote:
> On Wednesday, January 04, 2012 09:13:03 Oswald Buddenhagen wrote:
> > i want to see at least the technical issues from my previous mail
> > addressed.
> 
> I can't find that email, could you give a pointer? It's very hard to find
> out what is going wrong here otherwise...

Nevermind, I found it in the archive. So to recap, all that needs to happen 
for ossi to give his ACK is:

- Compress icons to JPEG with appropriate quality setting, so no artifacts
- Resize to 64x64

Right? That sounds rather doable ... :)
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Riccardo Iaconelli | 18 Jan 2012 09:10

Re: [kde-artists] User Icons

On Monday 09 January 2012 11:45:32 Sebastian 
=?ISO-8859-1?Q?K=FCgler?= wrote:
> Nevermind, I found it in the archive. So to recap, all that 
needs to happen 
> for ossi to give his ACK is:
> 
> - Compress icons to JPEG with appropriate quality setting, so no 
artifacts
> - Resize to 64x64
> 
> Right? That sounds rather doable ...

Can we move this forward then? :)

-Riccardo
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Hermann Thomas | 19 Jan 2012 09:04

Re: [kde-artists] User Icons

Hi Ricardo,
I am not sure at which point the discussion is right now. No one answerd my last posting stating my
conditions. 

If all agree with it I can make the JPG 64x Icons at the Weekend from the Bigger sized Source.

If not, than not.

~Hermann

-------- Original-Nachricht --------
> Datum: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 09:10:55 +0100
> Von: Riccardo Iaconelli <riccardo <at> kde.org>
> An: kde-artists <at> kde.org
> CC: "Sebastian Kügler" <sebas <at> kde.org>, Hermann Thomas <H.Thomas <at> gmx.de>
> Betreff: Re: [kde-artists] User Icons

> On Monday 09 January 2012 11:45:32 Sebastian 
> =?ISO-8859-1?Q?K=FCgler?= wrote:
> > Nevermind, I found it in the archive. So to recap, all that 
> needs to happen 
> > for ossi to give his ACK is:
> > 
> > - Compress icons to JPEG with appropriate quality setting, so no 
> artifacts
> > - Resize to 64x64
> > 
> > Right? That sounds rather doable ...
> 
> Can we move this forward then? :)
> 
> -Riccardo

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