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Birgit Schulz | 8 Apr 2002 05:36
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: Language an geography-ideas

Some ideas ...

A problem is the language: Vocabulary-knowledge is very close to the
used book. But for KHangman oder KMessedWord the most common words can
be in a file.
May be a grammar-app for englisch, french, german (should they be
diffrent for german->german or english->german practice?) are possible.
To train the use of adjectives e.g. it is not important to be so close
to a book. May a help to used vocs is needed (but there are already some
for Linux)

For geography-learning may be KEduca can be used. E.g. learn the names
of the most important rivers, cities, ... But for that a bigger picture
is maybe needed.-> Diffrent for countries, states ...

Birgit
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Matthijs Sypkens Smit | 8 Apr 2002 11:36
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On Monday 08 April 2002 05:36, Birgit Schulz wrote:

> For geography-learning may be KEduca can be used. E.g. learn the names
> of the most important rivers, cities, ... But for that a bigger picture
> is maybe needed.-> Diffrent for countries, states ...

I started een graphical geography-learning program in december last year. 
Unfortunately I had to put development on hold due to lack of time about two 
months ago. See: http://matthijs.tux.nu/ktopo/. I have mentioned it a few 
times on de kde-edu mailing list. Since you mentioned such a program I 
thought you might want to know about it.

The really big problem for me back then, which took too much time and made 
working on it less fun, was finding a way to produce good-looking consistent 
maps on various scales and around the world. I investigated quite some 
GIS-software (see http://www.freegis.org/) but never really found what I was 
looking for.

I thought this information might be of use to you.

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Birgit Schulz | 8 Apr 2002 14:30
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I do remember that there was KTopo.

I found a map collection in the internet at
http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/index.html.
But to ask questions about them, the information should be reduced, e.g.
names of cities or rivers should be deleted.

The screenshot I saw on your site ... it was an question by the computer or
the user?

If you use KEduca for exercises, it is more static ... show a city on an map
close to Frankfurt and close to Rhein -> thats Mainz.

My mails are thoughts about the project ...

Birgit Schulz

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Matthijs Sypkens Smit | 8 Apr 2002 14:56
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On Monday 08 April 2002 14:30, Birgit Schulz wrote:

> I found a map collection in the internet at
> http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/index.html.
> But to ask questions about them, the information should be reduced, e.g.
> names of cities or rivers should be deleted.

That's precisely the reason I personally found maps like these unsuitable. 
Furthermore these maps lack a coherent look and goof colouring.

> The screenshot I saw on your site ... it was an question by the computer or
> the user?

It was a question by the computer in 'exploration mode', where the student is 
learning/acquiring knowledge and not being tested.

I modelled ktopo, as much as I could remember, after a program we used in 
elementery school, because I found it to be very effective. [As explained on 
the website] It operates in three modes: exploration, test and race mode. The 
first two are most important. Exploration is for learning. Test is for 
testing the acquired knowledge of the student. Race mode is purely a 
motivational tool because it stimulates the student the compete with other 
students in the field of the knowledge in a game-like fashion.

> If you use KEduca for exercises, it is more static ... show a city on an
> map close to Frankfurt and close to Rhein -> thats Mainz.

Any program that actually delivers is of course better than an unfinished 
program. Nonetheless IMHO I think that a complete solution focused and built 
specifically with the this task in mind would be of higher educational value,
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Karl-Heinz Zimmer | 8 Apr 2002 08:20
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On Monday 08 April 2002 05:36, Birgit Schulz wrote:
> Some ideas ...
>
> A problem is the language: Vocabulary-knowledge is very close to the
> used book. But for KHangman oder KMessedWord the most common words can
> be in a file.
> May be a grammar-app for englisch, french, german (should they be
> diffrent for german->german or english->german practice?) are possible.
> To train the use of adjectives e.g. it is not important to be so close
> to a book. May a help to used vocs is needed (but there are already some
> for Linux)

Maybe it's to early for me but I don't understand very well: Are you
speaking aout kvoctrain here, or are you speaking about learning in
general?

What do you mean by "it is not important to be so close to a book." for
learning adjectives... ?

Another question: Do you (and does any of you co-readers) think the
flip-card approach of kvoctrain might be usefull for learning more complex
things as well?
e.g. I remember myself having used flip-cards at school that had _lots_ of
information of the back because the question of the front side was not so
simple.

> For geography-learning may be KEduca can be used. E.g. learn the names
> of the most important rivers, cities, ... But for that a bigger picture
> is maybe needed.-> Diffrent for countries, states ...
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Matthias Messmer | 8 Apr 2002 14:03
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On Monday 08 April 2002 08:20, Karl-Heinz Zimmer wrote:
> What do you mean by "it is not important to be so close to a book." for
> learning adjectives... ?

At school first of all the vocabulars are used to be learned, that are 
mentioned in the work book introduced at that school. So at another school 
with another work book some other vocs are needed. See, most of the school 
book publishers who distribute voc-train-progs even sort their vocs by work 
book chapters...

In my oppinion the vocs should be sorted by context and in relation to 
phrases. But that is more complex to be checked by computer progs.

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Geert Stams | 8 Apr 2002 21:28
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Hello!

On Mon, 8 Apr 2002 14:03:20 +0200
Matthias Messmer <bmlmessmer <at> web.de> wrote:

> At school first of all the vocabulars are used to be learned, that are 
> mentioned in the work book introduced at that school. So at another school 
> with another work book some other vocs are needed. See, most of the school 
> book publishers who distribute voc-train-progs even sort their vocs by work 
> book chapters...

This is a standard problem with all of the books used in schools, these all use a slightly different learning
scheme. Words should be in a format that teachers can enter them.

> In my oppinion the vocs should be sorted by context and in relation to 
> phrases. But that is more complex to be checked by computer progs.

I totally agree on this. It is most important for dyslectic children to put the word in context with it's
meaning. 

Maybe the words could be in a format so that these can be used for the new spelling app as well.

I agreed with Anne-Marie on dividing the words in syllabels so that the words seperated by a ;  (com;pu;ter),
a tedious job I am doing at the moment. Maybe the same standard should be used for Kvoctrain as well. The
words could be used for spelling (klearnspelling,khangman,kmessedwords) and kvoctrain...! Giving an
extra dimension!

example:
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