Hi! So as we discussed last week, Pairs is in KDE Edu now. Good! I'm sending this e-mail, though, to bring to you the work that Marco and Abhash have done to make Pairs look really really cool. Since I don't feel like describing it, here you have a screenshot. http://proli.net/meu/kde/pairs-greenpeople.png Nice work guys!! Aleix
> http://proli.net/meu/kde/pairs-greenpeople.png > > Nice work guys!! Wow, impressive! Looks cool. :) Best Regards, Laszlo Papp
> http://proli.net/meu/kde/pairs-greenpeople.png > > Nice work guys!! Wow, impressive! Looks cool. :) Best Regards, Laszlo Papp
Thanks Aleix, now that Pairs looks good, we would need some volunteers to make some themes. I will try to make and editor for it but would be cool if someone started already doing some themes. Cheers Marco On 05/17/2012 01:52 AM, Aleix Pol wrote: > Hi! > So as we discussed last week, Pairs is in KDE Edu now. Good! > > I'm sending this e-mail, though, to bring to you the work that Marco > and Abhash have done to make Pairs look really really cool. > Since I don't feel like describing it, here you have a screenshot. > > http://proli.net/meu/kde/pairs-greenpeople.png > > Nice work guys!! > Aleix > _______________________________________________ > kde-edu mailing list > kde-edu <at> mail.kde.org > https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-edu >
On 05/17/2012 09:55 AM, Marco Calignano wrote: > Thanks Aleix, > > now that Pairs looks good, we would need some volunteers to make some > themes. > I will try to make and editor for it but would be cool if someone > started already doing some themes. > Hi, Is there a doc (preferably on a KDE wiki) indicating what a Pairs theme consists of? and what is the naming of elements? Also, isn't there a confusion about "Pairs theme"? I thought Pairs theme was a pair game theme (images, sounds, text,..) in order to play the game. What you're naming here as a Pair Theme is a background + buttons graphical interface theme. I think you should differentiate the 2, unless I did not understand correctly. Anne-Marie
On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 1:06 PM, Anne-Marie Mahfouf <annemarie.mahfouf <at> free.fr> wrote: > On 05/17/2012 09:55 AM, Marco Calignano wrote: >> >> Thanks Aleix, >> >> now that Pairs looks good, we would need some volunteers to make some >> themes. >> I will try to make and editor for it but would be cool if someone started >> already doing some themes. >> > Hi, > > Is there a doc (preferably on a KDE wiki) indicating what a Pairs theme > consists of? and what is the naming of elements? > > Also, isn't there a confusion about "Pairs theme"? I thought Pairs theme was > a pair game theme (images, sounds, text,..) in order to play the game. What > you're naming here as a Pair Theme is a background + buttons graphical > interface theme. I think you should differentiate the 2, unless I did not > understand correctly. > > Anne-Marie > > > _______________________________________________ > kde-edu mailing list > kde-edu <at> mail.kde.org > https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-edu(Continue reading)
On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 1:06 PM, Anne-Marie Mahfouf <annemarie.mahfouf <at> free.fr> wrote: > On 05/17/2012 09:55 AM, Marco Calignano wrote: >> >> Thanks Aleix, >> >> now that Pairs looks good, we would need some volunteers to make some >> themes. >> I will try to make and editor for it but would be cool if someone started >> already doing some themes. >> > Hi, > > Is there a doc (preferably on a KDE wiki) indicating what a Pairs theme > consists of? and what is the naming of elements? > > Also, isn't there a confusion about "Pairs theme"? I thought Pairs theme was > a pair game theme (images, sounds, text,..) in order to play the game. What > you're naming here as a Pair Theme is a background + buttons graphical > interface theme. I think you should differentiate the 2, unless I did not > understand correctly. > > Anne-Marie > > > _______________________________________________ > kde-edu mailing list > kde-edu <at> mail.kde.org > https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-edu(Continue reading)
On 05/17/2012 09:55 AM, Marco Calignano wrote: > Thanks Aleix, > > now that Pairs looks good, we would need some volunteers to make some > themes. > I will try to make and editor for it but would be cool if someone > started already doing some themes. > Hi, Is there a doc (preferably on a KDE wiki) indicating what a Pairs theme consists of? and what is the naming of elements? Also, isn't there a confusion about "Pairs theme"? I thought Pairs theme was a pair game theme (images, sounds, text,..) in order to play the game. What you're naming here as a Pair Theme is a background + buttons graphical interface theme. I think you should differentiate the 2, unless I did not understand correctly. Anne-Marie
Thanks Aleix, now that Pairs looks good, we would need some volunteers to make some themes. I will try to make and editor for it but would be cool if someone started already doing some themes. Cheers Marco On 05/17/2012 01:52 AM, Aleix Pol wrote: > Hi! > So as we discussed last week, Pairs is in KDE Edu now. Good! > > I'm sending this e-mail, though, to bring to you the work that Marco > and Abhash have done to make Pairs look really really cool. > Since I don't feel like describing it, here you have a screenshot. > > http://proli.net/meu/kde/pairs-greenpeople.png > > Nice work guys!! > Aleix > _______________________________________________ > kde-edu mailing list > kde-edu <at> mail.kde.org > https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-edu >
Hi, I tried to build and run Pairs, I intend to try creating a theme. I got this errors when running http://pastebin.com/UcNVU0aG It seems that PlayerModel::random?Icon tries to select a random icon from a list but the list is empty so it crashes, I am thinking that I am missing some resources?Can someone give me some help installing it properly? Regards , Simion On Thursday, May 17, 2012 01:52:31 AM Aleix Pol wrote: > Hi! > So as we discussed last week, Pairs is in KDE Edu now. Good! > > I'm sending this e-mail, though, to bring to you the work that Marco > and Abhash have done to make Pairs look really really cool. > Since I don't feel like describing it, here you have a screenshot. > > http://proli.net/meu/kde/pairs-greenpeople.png > > Nice work guys!! > Aleix > _______________________________________________ > kde-edu mailing list > kde-edu <at> mail.kde.org > https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-edu
Hi Simion, can you send us the output of your "make install" command? Thanks Marco On 05/21/2012 10:20 AM, Simion wrote: > Hi, I tried to build and run Pairs, I intend to try creating a theme. > I got this errors when running http://pastebin.com/UcNVU0aG > It seems that PlayerModel::random?Icon tries to select a random icon from a > list but the list is empty so it crashes, I am thinking that I am missing > some resources?Can someone give me some help installing it properly? > > Regards , Simion > > > On Thursday, May 17, 2012 01:52:31 AM Aleix Pol wrote: >> Hi! >> So as we discussed last week, Pairs is in KDE Edu now. Good! >> >> I'm sending this e-mail, though, to bring to you the work that Marco >> and Abhash have done to make Pairs look really really cool. >> Since I don't feel like describing it, here you have a screenshot. >> >> http://proli.net/meu/kde/pairs-greenpeople.png >> >> Nice work guys!! >> Aleix >> _______________________________________________(Continue reading)
Hi Simion, can you send us the output of your "make install" command? Thanks Marco On 05/21/2012 10:20 AM, Simion wrote: > Hi, I tried to build and run Pairs, I intend to try creating a theme. > I got this errors when running http://pastebin.com/UcNVU0aG > It seems that PlayerModel::random?Icon tries to select a random icon from a > list but the list is empty so it crashes, I am thinking that I am missing > some resources?Can someone give me some help installing it properly? > > Regards , Simion > > > On Thursday, May 17, 2012 01:52:31 AM Aleix Pol wrote: >> Hi! >> So as we discussed last week, Pairs is in KDE Edu now. Good! >> >> I'm sending this e-mail, though, to bring to you the work that Marco >> and Abhash have done to make Pairs look really really cool. >> Since I don't feel like describing it, here you have a screenshot. >> >> http://proli.net/meu/kde/pairs-greenpeople.png >> >> Nice work guys!! >> Aleix >> _______________________________________________(Continue reading)
Hi, I tried to build and run Pairs, I intend to try creating a theme. I got this errors when running http://pastebin.com/UcNVU0aG It seems that PlayerModel::random?Icon tries to select a random icon from a list but the list is empty so it crashes, I am thinking that I am missing some resources?Can someone give me some help installing it properly? Regards , Simion On Thursday, May 17, 2012 01:52:31 AM Aleix Pol wrote: > Hi! > So as we discussed last week, Pairs is in KDE Edu now. Good! > > I'm sending this e-mail, though, to bring to you the work that Marco > and Abhash have done to make Pairs look really really cool. > Since I don't feel like describing it, here you have a screenshot. > > http://proli.net/meu/kde/pairs-greenpeople.png > > Nice work guys!! > Aleix > _______________________________________________ > kde-edu mailing list > kde-edu <at> mail.kde.org > https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-edu
On Thursday, May 17, 2012 01:52:31 Aleix Pol wrote: > So as we discussed last week, Pairs is in KDE Edu now. Good! neat :) cool to see more apps for younger people! i just had to try it out. it seems like the sort of thing that could be really nice on a touch device. however, there are some issues that hold it back from being usable in such a way (reliance on mouse hover, animation timings, ...) if there is interest in making Pairs ready for use on tablets (and i'd love to offer it on our upcoming Plasma Active tablets!), let me know and i'd be happy to offer some observatoins on what does and does not work so well on the device. -- -- Aaron J. Seigo
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On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 10:45 AM, Aaron J. Seigo <aseigo <at> kde.org> wrote: > On Thursday, May 17, 2012 01:52:31 Aleix Pol wrote: >> So as we discussed last week, Pairs is in KDE Edu now. Good! > > neat :) cool to see more apps for younger people! > > i just had to try it out. it seems like the sort of thing that could be really > nice on a touch device. however, there are some issues that hold it back from > being usable in such a way (reliance on mouse hover, animation timings, ...) > > if there is interest in making Pairs ready for use on tablets (and i'd love to > offer it on our upcoming Plasma Active tablets!), let me know and i'd be happy > to offer some observatoins on what does and does not work so well on the > device. > > > -- > Aaron J. Seigo > _______________________________________________ > kde-edu mailing list > kde-edu <at> mail.kde.org > https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-edu > Hi Aaron, I'm interested in Pairs working on PA, I actually made some changes already back in the PA3 sprint to make it work. I had to compile the application locally in the tablet back then, so the whole process was a bit rusty. :P(Continue reading)
On Wednesday, May 23, 2012 11:26:53 Aleix Pol wrote: > Anyhow, please report us the issues you've discovered (either here or > bko) and we'll manage to sort them out. they are mostly design principles, so i'm not sure if they would work well into individual bug reports just yet. here are the things i noticed: * it relies on mouse hover in certain places. for instance, to remove a player you need to hover the item and then hit the "X". this works really nicely with a mouse, but not with a touch screen where hover events just don't exist for practical reasons. * animation timing. the animation that starts the layout of the board is reallllly slllloooooow. in practice, very few transition animations should be longer than .5s, and most should be more on the order of 1/4 to 1/3s. this gives the application a much nicer user experience. don't worry that people won't notice the wonderful animations if they are shorter.. our eyes are amazing. unfortunately our patience is short. :) * hit areas should be bigger rather than smaller. on the game board, you have to touch the actual filled area of a piece. for pieces that are just outlines (such as in animal logic), this is hard even with a mouse. the hit area should be the entire space around the item to make it easily fingerable. * scalable UI. the graphics must always fit inside the window. the "New game" button will at times appear outside the window if it is not big enough. on devices where it will run full screen at native resolution, there is no answer to this other than "fit everything in the window, or make it scrollable". in this case, making it fit in the window is probably prefered (the new game button could perhaps appear on the left outside the playing area, where it(Continue reading)
On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 1:09 PM, Aaron J. Seigo <aseigo <at> kde.org> wrote: > On Wednesday, May 23, 2012 11:26:53 Aleix Pol wrote: >> Anyhow, please report us the issues you've discovered (either here or >> bko) and we'll manage to sort them out. > > they are mostly design principles, so i'm not sure if they would work well > into individual bug reports just yet. here are the things i noticed: > > * it relies on mouse hover in certain places. for instance, to remove a player > you need to hover the item and then hit the "X". this works really nicely with > a mouse, but not with a touch screen where hover events just don't exist for > practical reasons. > > * animation timing. the animation that starts the layout of the board is > reallllly slllloooooow. in practice, very few transition animations should be > longer than .5s, and most should be more on the order of 1/4 to 1/3s. this > gives the application a much nicer user experience. don't worry that people > won't notice the wonderful animations if they are shorter.. our eyes are > amazing. unfortunately our patience is short. :) > > * hit areas should be bigger rather than smaller. on the game board, you have > to touch the actual filled area of a piece. for pieces that are just outlines > (such as in animal logic), this is hard even with a mouse. the hit area should > be the entire space around the item to make it easily fingerable. > > * scalable UI. the graphics must always fit inside the window. the "New game" > button will at times appear outside the window if it is not big enough. on > devices where it will run full screen at native resolution, there is no answer > to this other than "fit everything in the window, or make it scrollable". in > this case, making it fit in the window is probably prefered (the new game(Continue reading)
On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 1:09 PM, Aaron J. Seigo <aseigo <at> kde.org> wrote: > On Wednesday, May 23, 2012 11:26:53 Aleix Pol wrote: >> Anyhow, please report us the issues you've discovered (either here or >> bko) and we'll manage to sort them out. > > they are mostly design principles, so i'm not sure if they would work well > into individual bug reports just yet. here are the things i noticed: > > * it relies on mouse hover in certain places. for instance, to remove a player > you need to hover the item and then hit the "X". this works really nicely with > a mouse, but not with a touch screen where hover events just don't exist for > practical reasons. > > * animation timing. the animation that starts the layout of the board is > reallllly slllloooooow. in practice, very few transition animations should be > longer than .5s, and most should be more on the order of 1/4 to 1/3s. this > gives the application a much nicer user experience. don't worry that people > won't notice the wonderful animations if they are shorter.. our eyes are > amazing. unfortunately our patience is short. :) > > * hit areas should be bigger rather than smaller. on the game board, you have > to touch the actual filled area of a piece. for pieces that are just outlines > (such as in animal logic), this is hard even with a mouse. the hit area should > be the entire space around the item to make it easily fingerable. > > * scalable UI. the graphics must always fit inside the window. the "New game" > button will at times appear outside the window if it is not big enough. on > devices where it will run full screen at native resolution, there is no answer > to this other than "fit everything in the window, or make it scrollable". in > this case, making it fit in the window is probably prefered (the new game(Continue reading)
Hi Aaron, As I promised, I took some time to address these issues, maybe you'd like to try it on a Vivaldi and see if it helped. I couldn't test it yet from a touch screen. I'll try it on the exopc at some point, but some of the constraints you observed won't apply there either (like screen size), so feedback is still welcome. On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 1:09 PM, Aaron J. Seigo <aseigo <at> kde.org> wrote: > On Wednesday, May 23, 2012 11:26:53 Aleix Pol wrote: >> Anyhow, please report us the issues you've discovered (either here or >> bko) and we'll manage to sort them out. > > they are mostly design principles, so i'm not sure if they would work well > into individual bug reports just yet. here are the things i noticed: > > * it relies on mouse hover in certain places. for instance, to remove a player > you need to hover the item and then hit the "X". this works really nicely with > a mouse, but not with a touch screen where hover events just don't exist for > practical reasons. Fixed, although I'm not very happy with the solution. Might change in the future, but now it's possible to remove a player from a touch screen. > > * animation timing. the animation that starts the layout of the board is > reallllly slllloooooow. in practice, very few transition animations should be > longer than .5s, and most should be more on the order of 1/4 to 1/3s. this > gives the application a much nicer user experience. don't worry that people > won't notice the wonderful animations if they are shorter.. our eyes are(Continue reading)
On Tuesday, May 29, 2012 04:14:36 Aleix Pol wrote: > Hi Aaron, > As I promised, I took some time to address these issues, maybe you'd > like to try it on a Vivaldi and see if it helped. > > I couldn't test it yet from a touch screen. I'll try it on the exopc > at some point, but some of the constraints you observed won't apply > there either (like screen size), so feedback is still welcome. > > On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 1:09 PM, Aaron J. Seigo <aseigo <at> kde.org> wrote: > > On Wednesday, May 23, 2012 11:26:53 Aleix Pol wrote: > >> Anyhow, please report us the issues you've discovered (either here or > >> bko) and we'll manage to sort them out. > > > > they are mostly design principles, so i'm not sure if they would work well > > into individual bug reports just yet. here are the things i noticed: > > > > * it relies on mouse hover in certain places. for instance, to remove a > > player you need to hover the item and then hit the "X". this works really > > nicely with a mouse, but not with a touch screen where hover events just > > don't exist for practical reasons. > > Fixed, although I'm not very happy with the solution. Might change in > the future, but now it's possible to remove a player from a touch > screen. yes, this now works .. i found it slightly odd that you could select multiple users at once by pressing on them .. for some reason i expected to only be able to select one at a time, with only one having a close mark on it. small detial though, it at least works now with touch :)(Continue reading)
On Tuesday, May 29, 2012 04:14:36 Aleix Pol wrote: > Hi Aaron, > As I promised, I took some time to address these issues, maybe you'd > like to try it on a Vivaldi and see if it helped. > > I couldn't test it yet from a touch screen. I'll try it on the exopc > at some point, but some of the constraints you observed won't apply > there either (like screen size), so feedback is still welcome. > > On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 1:09 PM, Aaron J. Seigo <aseigo <at> kde.org> wrote: > > On Wednesday, May 23, 2012 11:26:53 Aleix Pol wrote: > >> Anyhow, please report us the issues you've discovered (either here or > >> bko) and we'll manage to sort them out. > > > > they are mostly design principles, so i'm not sure if they would work well > > into individual bug reports just yet. here are the things i noticed: > > > > * it relies on mouse hover in certain places. for instance, to remove a > > player you need to hover the item and then hit the "X". this works really > > nicely with a mouse, but not with a touch screen where hover events just > > don't exist for practical reasons. > > Fixed, although I'm not very happy with the solution. Might change in > the future, but now it's possible to remove a player from a touch > screen. yes, this now works .. i found it slightly odd that you could select multiple users at once by pressing on them .. for some reason i expected to only be able to select one at a time, with only one having a close mark on it. small detial though, it at least works now with touch :)(Continue reading)
On Wednesday, May 23, 2012 11:26:53 Aleix Pol wrote: > Anyhow, please report us the issues you've discovered (either here or > bko) and we'll manage to sort them out. they are mostly design principles, so i'm not sure if they would work well into individual bug reports just yet. here are the things i noticed: * it relies on mouse hover in certain places. for instance, to remove a player you need to hover the item and then hit the "X". this works really nicely with a mouse, but not with a touch screen where hover events just don't exist for practical reasons. * animation timing. the animation that starts the layout of the board is reallllly slllloooooow. in practice, very few transition animations should be longer than .5s, and most should be more on the order of 1/4 to 1/3s. this gives the application a much nicer user experience. don't worry that people won't notice the wonderful animations if they are shorter.. our eyes are amazing. unfortunately our patience is short. :) * hit areas should be bigger rather than smaller. on the game board, you have to touch the actual filled area of a piece. for pieces that are just outlines (such as in animal logic), this is hard even with a mouse. the hit area should be the entire space around the item to make it easily fingerable. * scalable UI. the graphics must always fit inside the window. the "New game" button will at times appear outside the window if it is not big enough. on devices where it will run full screen at native resolution, there is no answer to this other than "fit everything in the window, or make it scrollable". in this case, making it fit in the window is probably prefered (the new game button could perhaps appear on the left outside the playing area, where it(Continue reading)
On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 10:45 AM, Aaron J. Seigo <aseigo <at> kde.org> wrote: > On Thursday, May 17, 2012 01:52:31 Aleix Pol wrote: >> So as we discussed last week, Pairs is in KDE Edu now. Good! > > neat :) cool to see more apps for younger people! > > i just had to try it out. it seems like the sort of thing that could be really > nice on a touch device. however, there are some issues that hold it back from > being usable in such a way (reliance on mouse hover, animation timings, ...) > > if there is interest in making Pairs ready for use on tablets (and i'd love to > offer it on our upcoming Plasma Active tablets!), let me know and i'd be happy > to offer some observatoins on what does and does not work so well on the > device. > > > -- > Aaron J. Seigo > _______________________________________________ > kde-edu mailing list > kde-edu <at> mail.kde.org > https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-edu > Hi Aaron, I'm interested in Pairs working on PA, I actually made some changes already back in the PA3 sprint to make it work. I had to compile the application locally in the tablet back then, so the whole process was a bit rusty. :P(Continue reading)
On Thursday, May 17, 2012 01:52:31 Aleix Pol wrote: > So as we discussed last week, Pairs is in KDE Edu now. Good! neat :) cool to see more apps for younger people! i just had to try it out. it seems like the sort of thing that could be really nice on a touch device. however, there are some issues that hold it back from being usable in such a way (reliance on mouse hover, animation timings, ...) if there is interest in making Pairs ready for use on tablets (and i'd love to offer it on our upcoming Plasma Active tablets!), let me know and i'd be happy to offer some observatoins on what does and does not work so well on the device. -- -- Aaron J. Seigo
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Hi, Saw this blog post : http://www.proli.net/2012/05/25/pairs-is-finally-in-kde-edu/ - and thought of giving my feedback on the UI design. Some issues, for me at least, that i found were: *Players' panel should include the "join" panel, since they're correlated. *A delete icon with no text is confusing, specially if it means to quit the application. *It's not intuitive to get back to the previous menu/screen when you press the Info button. *There should be some kind of visual clue in the "game panel", that showed that the last row is a subgroup of the first row. Otherwise it appears that each icon is a different type of game. *The gameplay for multi-player seems nonsensical if it's meant to be played on the same computer/device. A better way to do it would be to let each player finish the entire game and then a chronometer would count the amount of time each player took and the one with lesser time would win. *Perhaps changing the background to something more colorful would be better. *There should be a way to pause the game while it's running.(Continue reading)
Hi, On 05/28/2012 01:14 AM, freemind wrote: > Hi, > > Saw this blog post : > http://www.proli.net/2012/05/25/pairs-is-finally-in-kde-edu/ - and > thought of giving my feedback on the UI design. > > Some issues, for me at least, that i found were: > > *Players' panel should include the "join" panel, since they're > correlated. > > *A delete icon with no text is confusing, specially if it means to > quit the application. > > *It's not intuitive to get back to the previous menu/screen when you > press the Info button. > > *There should be some kind of visual clue in the "game panel", that > showed that the last row is a subgroup of the first row. Otherwise it > appears that each icon is a different type of game. > Sorry can you explain this point more? > *The gameplay for multi-player seems nonsensical if it's meant to be > played on the same computer/device. A better way to do it would be to > let each player finish the entire game and then a chronometer would > count the amount of time each player took and the one with lesser time(Continue reading)
On 28-05-2012 00:42, Marco Calignano wrote: > Hi, > > Sorry can you explain this point more? > Which point exactly? > This game is meant for little children and you cannot let a kid wait > until another or even others finished. Plus the alternation of players > allow the kids to learn from one another. So IMHO it makes more sense > how it is now. The alternation is silly and doesn't make sense, because when one fails the time starts automatically counting for the next player and it's not fair play. If you want a better multi-player you'll need network (or some other type of connection) and 2 or more devices. >> >> *Perhaps changing the background to something more colorful would be >> better. > why? Because children like colorful things? Go check any kids application and see how colorful it is. > I do not think that this step configuration is a good thing for > children and in the developing phase we adopted for a layout that > could reduce if not eliminate the steps. > A solution (already suggested) to increase the board space for touch > device is the one that put the left menu on a sliding panel. So it > comes up only > when the user needs it and not when he plays Why do you say a step configuration is not a good thing? Have you tested this theory with actual children?(Continue reading)
On Mon, May 28, 2012 at 3:15 AM, freemind <freemind <at> lavabit.com> wrote: > On 28-05-2012 00:42, Marco Calignano wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> >> Sorry can you explain this point more? >> > Which point exactly? > >> This game is meant for little children and you cannot let a kid wait >> until another or even others finished. Plus the alternation of players allow >> the kids to learn from one another. So IMHO it makes more sense how it is >> now. > > The alternation is silly and doesn't make sense, because when one fails the > time starts automatically counting for the next player and it's not fair > play. If you want a better multi-player you'll need network (or some other > type of connection) and 2 or more devices. > >>> >>> *Perhaps changing the background to something more colorful would be >>> better. >> >> why? > > Because children like colorful things? Go check any kids application and see > how colorful it is. > >> I do not think that this step configuration is a good thing for children(Continue reading)
On Mon, May 28, 2012 at 3:15 AM, freemind <freemind <at> lavabit.com> wrote: > On 28-05-2012 00:42, Marco Calignano wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> >> Sorry can you explain this point more? >> > Which point exactly? > >> This game is meant for little children and you cannot let a kid wait >> until another or even others finished. Plus the alternation of players allow >> the kids to learn from one another. So IMHO it makes more sense how it is >> now. > > The alternation is silly and doesn't make sense, because when one fails the > time starts automatically counting for the next player and it's not fair > play. If you want a better multi-player you'll need network (or some other > type of connection) and 2 or more devices. > >>> >>> *Perhaps changing the background to something more colorful would be >>> better. >> >> why? > > Because children like colorful things? Go check any kids application and see > how colorful it is. > >> I do not think that this step configuration is a good thing for children(Continue reading)
On 28-05-2012 00:42, Marco Calignano wrote: > Hi, > > Sorry can you explain this point more? > Which point exactly? > This game is meant for little children and you cannot let a kid wait > until another or even others finished. Plus the alternation of players > allow the kids to learn from one another. So IMHO it makes more sense > how it is now. The alternation is silly and doesn't make sense, because when one fails the time starts automatically counting for the next player and it's not fair play. If you want a better multi-player you'll need network (or some other type of connection) and 2 or more devices. >> >> *Perhaps changing the background to something more colorful would be >> better. > why? Because children like colorful things? Go check any kids application and see how colorful it is. > I do not think that this step configuration is a good thing for > children and in the developing phase we adopted for a layout that > could reduce if not eliminate the steps. > A solution (already suggested) to increase the board space for touch > device is the one that put the left menu on a sliding panel. So it > comes up only > when the user needs it and not when he plays Why do you say a step configuration is not a good thing? Have you tested this theory with actual children?(Continue reading)
Hi, On 05/28/2012 01:14 AM, freemind wrote: > Hi, > > Saw this blog post : > http://www.proli.net/2012/05/25/pairs-is-finally-in-kde-edu/ - and > thought of giving my feedback on the UI design. > > Some issues, for me at least, that i found were: > > *Players' panel should include the "join" panel, since they're > correlated. > > *A delete icon with no text is confusing, specially if it means to > quit the application. > > *It's not intuitive to get back to the previous menu/screen when you > press the Info button. > > *There should be some kind of visual clue in the "game panel", that > showed that the last row is a subgroup of the first row. Otherwise it > appears that each icon is a different type of game. > Sorry can you explain this point more? > *The gameplay for multi-player seems nonsensical if it's meant to be > played on the same computer/device. A better way to do it would be to > let each player finish the entire game and then a chronometer would > count the amount of time each player took and the one with lesser time(Continue reading)
On Mon, May 28, 2012 at 1:14 AM, freemind <freemind <at> lavabit.com> wrote: > Hi, > > Saw this blog post : > http://www.proli.net/2012/05/25/pairs-is-finally-in-kde-edu/ - and thought > of giving my feedback on the UI design. > > Some issues, for me at least, that i found were: > > *Players' panel should include the "join" panel, since they're correlated. Maybe, but a lot of nesting is not that helpful either. > > *A delete icon with no text is confusing, specially if it means to quit the > application. We're open to new artwork. Nobody says it's a delete icon, though. > > *It's not intuitive to get back to the previous menu/screen when you press > the Info button. Hm? Didn't understand this one. > > *There should be some kind of visual clue in the "game panel", that showed > that the last row is a subgroup of the first row. Otherwise it appears that > each icon is a different type of game. Agreed, we must find a better solution. >(Continue reading)
On Mon, May 28, 2012 at 1:14 AM, freemind <freemind <at> lavabit.com> wrote: > Hi, > > Saw this blog post : > http://www.proli.net/2012/05/25/pairs-is-finally-in-kde-edu/ - and thought > of giving my feedback on the UI design. > > Some issues, for me at least, that i found were: > > *Players' panel should include the "join" panel, since they're correlated. Maybe, but a lot of nesting is not that helpful either. > > *A delete icon with no text is confusing, specially if it means to quit the > application. We're open to new artwork. Nobody says it's a delete icon, though. > > *It's not intuitive to get back to the previous menu/screen when you press > the Info button. Hm? Didn't understand this one. > > *There should be some kind of visual clue in the "game panel", that showed > that the last row is a subgroup of the first row. Otherwise it appears that > each icon is a different type of game. Agreed, we must find a better solution. >(Continue reading)
On 05/28/2012 01:14 AM, freemind wrote: > Hi, Hi, First thank you for testing Pairs and writing your suggestions and drawing mockups. > > Saw this blog post : > http://www.proli.net/2012/05/25/pairs-is-finally-in-kde-edu/ - and > thought of giving my feedback on the UI design. > > Some issues, for me at least, that i found were: > > *Players' panel should include the "join" panel, since they're > correlated. > > *A delete icon with no text is confusing, specially if it means to > quit the application. Yes, I would click on it to stop the current game. > > *It's not intuitive to get back to the previous menu/screen when you > press the Info button. Yes, I had trouble finding out a click would get me out > > *There should be some kind of visual clue in the "game panel", that > showed that the last row is a subgroup of the first row. Otherwise it > appears that each icon is a different type of game. > I agree. We have the right pane full of icons and it's not that evident the 6 firsts are for choosing the type of game while the rest are for(Continue reading)
On 05/28/2012 10:20 AM, Anne-Marie Mahfouf wrote: > On 05/28/2012 01:14 AM, freemind wrote: >> Hi, > Hi, > > First thank you for testing Pairs and writing your suggestions and > drawing mockups. >> >> Saw this blog post : >> http://www.proli.net/2012/05/25/pairs-is-finally-in-kde-edu/ - and >> thought of giving my feedback on the UI design. >> >> Some issues, for me at least, that i found were: >> >> *Players' panel should include the "join" panel, since they're >> correlated. >> >> *A delete icon with no text is confusing, specially if it means to >> quit the application. > Yes, I would click on it to stop the current game. This Icon will be changed soon. We put that just to meet the beta testing tagging. Abhash has more time after his exams in June and we will change it before the Artwork freeze >> >> *It's not intuitive to get back to the previous menu/screen when you >> press the Info button. > Yes, I had trouble finding out a click would get me out >>(Continue reading)
Hi, Is it possible to write under the exit button exit and I don't understand the word theme. For me the theme is the design of the game (if you like I can make the parley themes available for pairs) and your get theme button is get new game. if the game can use different themes like parley or khangman, than I can make the themes from parley available for pairs. please let me know. andreas 2012/5/28 Marco Calignano <marco.calignano <at> googlemail.com>: > > > On 05/28/2012 10:20 AM, Anne-Marie Mahfouf wrote: >> >> On 05/28/2012 01:14 AM, freemind wrote: >>> >>> Hi, >> >> Hi, >> >> First thank you for testing Pairs and writing your suggestions and drawing >> mockups. >>> >>> >>> Saw this blog post : >>> http://www.proli.net/2012/05/25/pairs-is-finally-in-kde-edu/ - and thought(Continue reading)
There are some missing icons, so I made some new icons. http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1642456/pairs/pairs%20icons%20new.zip hope you like the icons please use them or tell me how you need. andreas
Hi Andreas, thank you for the Icons but why do you say they are missing? The "info" and "new game" icon are already there. For the "exit" icon we already have a moc, like I said in another email, it didn't make the game before the beta tagging But it will come. For the delete user wee also have the same you did (almost exactly) but I didn't put it becaues would be too little for the overlay. Plus now the deletion is also under discussion so it could change everything. I really appreciate your interest, and if you want, I will start developing another game soon if you want to contribute to the graphic aspect of it would be great. Thanks Marco On 05/28/2012 03:32 PM, kainz.a wrote: > There are some missing icons, so I made some new icons. > > http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1642456/pairs/pairs%20icons%20new.zip > > hope you like the icons please use them or tell me how you need. > > andreas > _______________________________________________ > kde-edu mailing list(Continue reading)
MI Marco, Yes I'd like to help. At the next time I'll ask before what can I do, so feel free to ask me, when you need something (without coding). by Andreas 2012/5/28 Marco Calignano <marco.calignano <at> googlemail.com>: > Hi Andreas, > > thank you for the Icons but why do you say they are missing? > The "info" and "new game" icon are already there. For the "exit" icon we > already have a moc, like I said in another email, it didn't make the game > before the beta tagging > But it will come. > For the delete user wee also have the same you did (almost exactly) but I > didn't put it becaues would be too little for the overlay. > Plus now the deletion is also under discussion so it could change > everything. > > I really appreciate your interest, and if you want, I will start developing > another game soon if you want to contribute to the graphic aspect of it > would be great. > > Thanks > > Marco > >(Continue reading)
Hi Andreas, it was a "long" time ago and I do not know if you remember me. So I answer this email hoping you can help us. We need your help with the Icons from Pairs and the Pairs Editor. In particular we need two new Icons of Pairs on the same style and to correct an existing one. For the Editor that is a new application we still need to decide how exactly to do but If you wish I will tell you as soon we decide Thanks Marco On 05/28/2012 10:54 PM, kainz.a wrote: > MI Marco, > > Yes I'd like to help. At the next time I'll ask before what can I do, > so feel free to ask me, when you need something (without coding). > > by > Andreas > > 2012/5/28 Marco Calignano <marco.calignano <at> googlemail.com>: >> Hi Andreas, >> >> thank you for the Icons but why do you say they are missing? >> The "info" and "new game" icon are already there. For the "exit" icon we >> already have a moc, like I said in another email, it didn't make the game >> before the beta tagging >> But it will come.(Continue reading)
Hi Andreas, it was a "long" time ago and I do not know if you remember me. So I answer this email hoping you can help us. We need your help with the Icons from Pairs and the Pairs Editor. In particular we need two new Icons of Pairs on the same style and to correct an existing one. For the Editor that is a new application we still need to decide how exactly to do but If you wish I will tell you as soon we decide Thanks Marco On 05/28/2012 10:54 PM, kainz.a wrote: > MI Marco, > > Yes I'd like to help. At the next time I'll ask before what can I do, > so feel free to ask me, when you need something (without coding). > > by > Andreas > > 2012/5/28 Marco Calignano <marco.calignano <at> googlemail.com>: >> Hi Andreas, >> >> thank you for the Icons but why do you say they are missing? >> The "info" and "new game" icon are already there. For the "exit" icon we >> already have a moc, like I said in another email, it didn't make the game >> before the beta tagging >> But it will come.(Continue reading)
MI Marco, Yes I'd like to help. At the next time I'll ask before what can I do, so feel free to ask me, when you need something (without coding). by Andreas 2012/5/28 Marco Calignano <marco.calignano <at> googlemail.com>: > Hi Andreas, > > thank you for the Icons but why do you say they are missing? > The "info" and "new game" icon are already there. For the "exit" icon we > already have a moc, like I said in another email, it didn't make the game > before the beta tagging > But it will come. > For the delete user wee also have the same you did (almost exactly) but I > didn't put it becaues would be too little for the overlay. > Plus now the deletion is also under discussion so it could change > everything. > > I really appreciate your interest, and if you want, I will start developing > another game soon if you want to contribute to the graphic aspect of it > would be great. > > Thanks > > Marco > >(Continue reading)
Hi Andreas, thank you for the Icons but why do you say they are missing? The "info" and "new game" icon are already there. For the "exit" icon we already have a moc, like I said in another email, it didn't make the game before the beta tagging But it will come. For the delete user wee also have the same you did (almost exactly) but I didn't put it becaues would be too little for the overlay. Plus now the deletion is also under discussion so it could change everything. I really appreciate your interest, and if you want, I will start developing another game soon if you want to contribute to the graphic aspect of it would be great. Thanks Marco On 05/28/2012 03:32 PM, kainz.a wrote: > There are some missing icons, so I made some new icons. > > http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1642456/pairs/pairs%20icons%20new.zip > > hope you like the icons please use them or tell me how you need. > > andreas > _______________________________________________ > kde-edu mailing list(Continue reading)
There are some missing icons, so I made some new icons. http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1642456/pairs/pairs%20icons%20new.zip hope you like the icons please use them or tell me how you need. andreas
Hi, Is it possible to write under the exit button exit and I don't understand the word theme. For me the theme is the design of the game (if you like I can make the parley themes available for pairs) and your get theme button is get new game. if the game can use different themes like parley or khangman, than I can make the themes from parley available for pairs. please let me know. andreas 2012/5/28 Marco Calignano <marco.calignano <at> googlemail.com>: > > > On 05/28/2012 10:20 AM, Anne-Marie Mahfouf wrote: >> >> On 05/28/2012 01:14 AM, freemind wrote: >>> >>> Hi, >> >> Hi, >> >> First thank you for testing Pairs and writing your suggestions and drawing >> mockups. >>> >>> >>> Saw this blog post : >>> http://www.proli.net/2012/05/25/pairs-is-finally-in-kde-edu/ - and thought(Continue reading)
On 05/28/2012 10:20 AM, Anne-Marie Mahfouf wrote: > On 05/28/2012 01:14 AM, freemind wrote: >> Hi, > Hi, > > First thank you for testing Pairs and writing your suggestions and > drawing mockups. >> >> Saw this blog post : >> http://www.proli.net/2012/05/25/pairs-is-finally-in-kde-edu/ - and >> thought of giving my feedback on the UI design. >> >> Some issues, for me at least, that i found were: >> >> *Players' panel should include the "join" panel, since they're >> correlated. >> >> *A delete icon with no text is confusing, specially if it means to >> quit the application. > Yes, I would click on it to stop the current game. This Icon will be changed soon. We put that just to meet the beta testing tagging. Abhash has more time after his exams in June and we will change it before the Artwork freeze >> >> *It's not intuitive to get back to the previous menu/screen when you >> press the Info button. > Yes, I had trouble finding out a click would get me out >>(Continue reading)
On 28-05-2012 09:20, Anne-Marie Mahfouf wrote: > On 05/28/2012 01:14 AM, freemind wrote: >> Hi, > Hi, > > First thank you for testing Pairs and writing your suggestions and > drawing mockups. Yea, that's like asking "How are you" when you pass by someone you know. It's politically correct but in reality you don't give a sh*t. I'm starting to think it was a big waste of my time. >> >> Saw this blog post : >> http://www.proli.net/2012/05/25/pairs-is-finally-in-kde-edu/ - and >> thought of giving my feedback on the UI design. >> >> Some issues, for me at least, that i found were: >> >> *Players' panel should include the "join" panel, since they're >> correlated. >> >> *A delete icon with no text is confusing, specially if it means to >> quit the application. > Yes, I would click on it to stop the current game. What? >> >> *It's not intuitive to get back to the previous menu/screen when you >> press the Info button. > Yes, I had trouble finding out a click would get me out So what are you planning to do about it?... >>(Continue reading)
FWIW he has unsubscribed from the list. Albert El Dilluns, 28 de maig de 2012, a les 17:33:35, freemind va escriure: > On 28-05-2012 09:20, Anne-Marie Mahfouf wrote: > > On 05/28/2012 01:14 AM, freemind wrote: > >> Hi, > > > > Hi, > > > > First thank you for testing Pairs and writing your suggestions and > > drawing mockups. > > Yea, that's like asking "How are you" when you pass by someone you know. > It's politically correct but in reality you don't give a sh*t. I'm > starting to think it was a big waste of my time. > > >> Saw this blog post : > >> http://www.proli.net/2012/05/25/pairs-is-finally-in-kde-edu/ - and > >> thought of giving my feedback on the UI design. > >> > >> Some issues, for me at least, that i found were: > >> > >> *Players' panel should include the "join" panel, since they're > >> correlated. > >> > >> *A delete icon with no text is confusing, specially if it means to > >> quit the application. > >(Continue reading)
On Mon, May 28, 2012 at 6:48 PM, Albert Astals Cid <aacid <at> kde.org> wrote: > FWIW he has unsubscribed from the list. > > Albert > > El Dilluns, 28 de maig de 2012, a les 17:33:35, freemind va escriure: >> On 28-05-2012 09:20, Anne-Marie Mahfouf wrote: >> > On 05/28/2012 01:14 AM, freemind wrote: >> >> Hi, >> > >> > Hi, >> > >> > First thank you for testing Pairs and writing your suggestions and >> > drawing mockups. >> >> Yea, that's like asking "How are you" when you pass by someone you know. >> It's politically correct but in reality you don't give a sh*t. I'm >> starting to think it was a big waste of my time. >> >> >> Saw this blog post : >> >> http://www.proli.net/2012/05/25/pairs-is-finally-in-kde-edu/ - and >> >> thought of giving my feedback on the UI design. >> >> >> >> Some issues, for me at least, that i found were: >> >> >> >> *Players' panel should include the "join" panel, since they're >> >> correlated. >> >> >> >> *A delete icon with no text is confusing, specially if it means to >> >> quit the application.(Continue reading)
Hi, But also some of its suggestion we already tried and decided they were no go. Plus the kids in the kindergarten are also playing other kde games like Blinken and Ktuberling. For these games the kids has to wait till the player is finished and they do not have the patience to wait. Anyway IMHO he was the one that couldn't really listen, and probably didn't really care since he didn't even bother to write his name. But anyway his suggestion is given let's do the best of it? Cheers Marco On 05/28/2012 07:04 PM, Aleix Pol wrote: > On Mon, May 28, 2012 at 6:48 PM, Albert Astals Cid<aacid <at> kde.org> wrote: >> FWIW he has unsubscribed from the list. >> >> Albert >> >> El Dilluns, 28 de maig de 2012, a les 17:33:35, freemind va escriure: >>> On 28-05-2012 09:20, Anne-Marie Mahfouf wrote: >>>> On 05/28/2012 01:14 AM, freemind wrote: >>>>> Hi, >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> First thank you for testing Pairs and writing your suggestions and >>>> drawing mockups.(Continue reading)
Hi, But also some of its suggestion we already tried and decided they were no go. Plus the kids in the kindergarten are also playing other kde games like Blinken and Ktuberling. For these games the kids has to wait till the player is finished and they do not have the patience to wait. Anyway IMHO he was the one that couldn't really listen, and probably didn't really care since he didn't even bother to write his name. But anyway his suggestion is given let's do the best of it? Cheers Marco On 05/28/2012 07:04 PM, Aleix Pol wrote: > On Mon, May 28, 2012 at 6:48 PM, Albert Astals Cid<aacid <at> kde.org> wrote: >> FWIW he has unsubscribed from the list. >> >> Albert >> >> El Dilluns, 28 de maig de 2012, a les 17:33:35, freemind va escriure: >>> On 28-05-2012 09:20, Anne-Marie Mahfouf wrote: >>>> On 05/28/2012 01:14 AM, freemind wrote: >>>>> Hi, >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> First thank you for testing Pairs and writing your suggestions and >>>> drawing mockups.(Continue reading)
On Mon, May 28, 2012 at 6:48 PM, Albert Astals Cid <aacid <at> kde.org> wrote: > FWIW he has unsubscribed from the list. > > Albert > > El Dilluns, 28 de maig de 2012, a les 17:33:35, freemind va escriure: >> On 28-05-2012 09:20, Anne-Marie Mahfouf wrote: >> > On 05/28/2012 01:14 AM, freemind wrote: >> >> Hi, >> > >> > Hi, >> > >> > First thank you for testing Pairs and writing your suggestions and >> > drawing mockups. >> >> Yea, that's like asking "How are you" when you pass by someone you know. >> It's politically correct but in reality you don't give a sh*t. I'm >> starting to think it was a big waste of my time. >> >> >> Saw this blog post : >> >> http://www.proli.net/2012/05/25/pairs-is-finally-in-kde-edu/ - and >> >> thought of giving my feedback on the UI design. >> >> >> >> Some issues, for me at least, that i found were: >> >> >> >> *Players' panel should include the "join" panel, since they're >> >> correlated. >> >> >> >> *A delete icon with no text is confusing, specially if it means to >> >> quit the application.(Continue reading)
FWIW he has unsubscribed from the list. Albert El Dilluns, 28 de maig de 2012, a les 17:33:35, freemind va escriure: > On 28-05-2012 09:20, Anne-Marie Mahfouf wrote: > > On 05/28/2012 01:14 AM, freemind wrote: > >> Hi, > > > > Hi, > > > > First thank you for testing Pairs and writing your suggestions and > > drawing mockups. > > Yea, that's like asking "How are you" when you pass by someone you know. > It's politically correct but in reality you don't give a sh*t. I'm > starting to think it was a big waste of my time. > > >> Saw this blog post : > >> http://www.proli.net/2012/05/25/pairs-is-finally-in-kde-edu/ - and > >> thought of giving my feedback on the UI design. > >> > >> Some issues, for me at least, that i found were: > >> > >> *Players' panel should include the "join" panel, since they're > >> correlated. > >> > >> *A delete icon with no text is confusing, specially if it means to > >> quit the application. > >(Continue reading)
On 28-05-2012 09:20, Anne-Marie Mahfouf wrote: > On 05/28/2012 01:14 AM, freemind wrote: >> Hi, > Hi, > > First thank you for testing Pairs and writing your suggestions and > drawing mockups. Yea, that's like asking "How are you" when you pass by someone you know. It's politically correct but in reality you don't give a sh*t. I'm starting to think it was a big waste of my time. >> >> Saw this blog post : >> http://www.proli.net/2012/05/25/pairs-is-finally-in-kde-edu/ - and >> thought of giving my feedback on the UI design. >> >> Some issues, for me at least, that i found were: >> >> *Players' panel should include the "join" panel, since they're >> correlated. >> >> *A delete icon with no text is confusing, specially if it means to >> quit the application. > Yes, I would click on it to stop the current game. What? >> >> *It's not intuitive to get back to the previous menu/screen when you >> press the Info button. > Yes, I had trouble finding out a click would get me out So what are you planning to do about it?... >>(Continue reading)
On 05/28/2012 01:14 AM, freemind wrote: > Hi, Hi, First thank you for testing Pairs and writing your suggestions and drawing mockups. > > Saw this blog post : > http://www.proli.net/2012/05/25/pairs-is-finally-in-kde-edu/ - and > thought of giving my feedback on the UI design. > > Some issues, for me at least, that i found were: > > *Players' panel should include the "join" panel, since they're > correlated. > > *A delete icon with no text is confusing, specially if it means to > quit the application. Yes, I would click on it to stop the current game. > > *It's not intuitive to get back to the previous menu/screen when you > press the Info button. Yes, I had trouble finding out a click would get me out > > *There should be some kind of visual clue in the "game panel", that > showed that the last row is a subgroup of the first row. Otherwise it > appears that each icon is a different type of game. > I agree. We have the right pane full of icons and it's not that evident the 6 firsts are for choosing the type of game while the rest are for(Continue reading)
Hi, Saw this blog post : http://www.proli.net/2012/05/25/pairs-is-finally-in-kde-edu/ - and thought of giving my feedback on the UI design. Some issues, for me at least, that i found were: *Players' panel should include the "join" panel, since they're correlated. *A delete icon with no text is confusing, specially if it means to quit the application. *It's not intuitive to get back to the previous menu/screen when you press the Info button. *There should be some kind of visual clue in the "game panel", that showed that the last row is a subgroup of the first row. Otherwise it appears that each icon is a different type of game. *The gameplay for multi-player seems nonsensical if it's meant to be played on the same computer/device. A better way to do it would be to let each player finish the entire game and then a chronometer would count the amount of time each player took and the one with lesser time would win. *Perhaps changing the background to something more colorful would be better. *There should be a way to pause the game while it's running.(Continue reading)
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