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Rex Dieter | 18 Nov 2004 19:14

platform support plans (and dropping rh80,fc1)

Due to the need to support new releases, and even platforms (ie, amd64), 
time(*)/space constraints require us to retire support for some older 
releases.   So, I regret to announce that kde-redhat will no longer be 
producing new packages for the rh80 and fc1 platforms.  We'll keep the 
existing packages  around for at least another 2-3 months, afterwhich, 
they will be deleted/removed.

Our near-term expectations are to support at least the 2 most recent 
Fedora Core and RedHat Enterprise releases on i386.  My own department 
still has a large deployment of rh90 boxes and a few rh73 servers, so I 
have a personal incentive to continue supporting these too (otherwise, 
we'd probably end up dropping these in the not-too-distant future too). 
Pending acquiring a x64 box (or at least dependable build environment), 
I plan on adding FC/EL support on these as well.

Support for additinal platforms (and possibly dropped ones) could also 
come from overdue/unattended-to plans to integrate with rpmforge.net 
and/or ATrpms (provided that they or someone else can provide the build 
environment and repository space).

Comments (directed to the kde-redhat-users list please) are welcome.

-- Rex

(*) Coupled with the fact that my uber-build-box(**) recently died, and so 
did all the installed build environments... so I'm having to rebuild 
things from scratch and to be fully backed up this time! .

(**) it had 7 OS's installed (not surprisingly rh73, rh80, rh90, fc1, 
fc2, rhel3, and WinXP)

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Rex Dieter | 3 Feb 2005 22:43

Re: platform support plans (and dropping rh80,fc1)

Rex Dieter wrote:
> Due to the need to support new releases, and even platforms (ie, amd64), 
> time/space constraints require us to retire support for some older 
> releases.   So, I regret to announce that kde-redhat will no longer be 
> producing new packages for the rh80 and fc1 platforms.  We'll keep the 
> existing packages  around for at least another 2-3 months, afterwhich, 
> they will be deleted/removed.

As threatened, all rh80 and fc1 files will be removed from our repo 
real-soon-now (in the next day or 2).

-- Rex

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Rex Dieter | 3 Feb 2005 22:43

Re: platform support plans (and dropping rh80,fc1)

Rex Dieter wrote:
> Due to the need to support new releases, and even platforms (ie, amd64), 
> time/space constraints require us to retire support for some older 
> releases.   So, I regret to announce that kde-redhat will no longer be 
> producing new packages for the rh80 and fc1 platforms.  We'll keep the 
> existing packages  around for at least another 2-3 months, afterwhich, 
> they will be deleted/removed.

As threatened, all rh80 and fc1 files will be removed from our repo 
real-soon-now (in the next day or 2).

-- Rex

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Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski | 20 Nov 2004 21:45

Re: [kde-redhat-announce] platform support plans (and dropping rh80,fc1)

Hi,

On Thursday, 18 November 2004 at 19:14, Rex Dieter wrote:
> Due to the need to support new releases, and even platforms (ie, amd64), 
> time(*)/space constraints require us to retire support for some older 
> releases.   So, I regret to announce that kde-redhat will no longer be 
> producing new packages for the rh80 and fc1 platforms.  We'll keep the 
> existing packages  around for at least another 2-3 months, afterwhich, 
> they will be deleted/removed.
> 
> Our near-term expectations are to support at least the 2 most recent 
> Fedora Core and RedHat Enterprise releases on i386.  My own department 
> still has a large deployment of rh90 boxes and a few rh73 servers, so I 
> have a personal incentive to continue supporting these too (otherwise, 
> we'd probably end up dropping these in the not-too-distant future too). 
> Pending acquiring a x64 box (or at least dependable build environment), 
> I plan on adding FC/EL support on these as well.
> 
> Support for additinal platforms (and possibly dropped ones) could also 
> come from overdue/unattended-to plans to integrate with rpmforge.net 
> and/or ATrpms (provided that they or someone else can provide the build 
> environment and repository space).
> 
> Comments (directed to the kde-redhat-users list please) are welcome.

My colleague and I would probably be interested in maintaining repos for
rh73 and fc1. We have the necessary bandwith, space and build boxen. So,
if you could provide the tools, we could take over that part.

Regards,

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Rex Dieter | 22 Nov 2004 14:54

Re: Re: [kde-redhat-announce] platform support plans (and dropping rh80,fc1)

On Sat, 20 Nov 2004, Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski wrote:

> My colleague and I would probably be interested in maintaining repos for
> rh73 and fc1. We have the necessary bandwith, space and build boxen. So,
> if you could provide the tools, we could take over that part.

Not much to it.  To (re)build any/all src.rpms, just:

For rh73:
rpmbuild --rebuild --define "dist_tag .rh73" foo.src.rpm

For fc1:
rpmbuild --rebuild --define "dist_tag .1" foo.src.rpm

All src.rpms are at
http://apt.kde-redhat.org/apt/kde-redhat/all/SRPMS.stable
http://apt.kde-redhat.org/apt/kde-redhat/all/SRPMS.testing
http://apt.kde-redhat.org/apt/kde-redhat/all/SRPMS.unstable

-- Rex

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Axel Thimm | 18 Nov 2004 20:46

Re: platform support plans (and dropping rh80,fc1)

On Thu, Nov 18, 2004 at 12:14:12PM -0600, Rex Dieter wrote:
> Support for additinal platforms (and possibly dropped ones) could
> also come from overdue/unattended-to plans to integrate with
> rpmforge.net and/or ATrpms (provided that they or someone else can
> provide the build environment and repository space).

I can rebuild kde-redhat on */x86_64 (I know I promised in private
mail some ages ago, and still did not deliver ...) and also provide
repo space (how much? My kde-redhat mirror shows 7.5GB).

This offer is independent of any integration/merging efforts with
ATrpms, although I'd very much welcome the idea :)

(along with the plan to create scipackage.net or similar)
--

-- 
Axel.Thimm at ATrpms.net

Rex Dieter | 18 Nov 2004 21:08

Re: Re: platform support plans (and dropping rh80,fc1)

On Thu, 18 Nov 2004, Axel Thimm wrote:

> On Thu, Nov 18, 2004 at 12:14:12PM -0600, Rex Dieter wrote:
>> Support for additinal platforms (and possibly dropped ones) could
>> also come from overdue/unattended-to plans to integrate with
>> rpmforge.net and/or ATrpms (provided that they or someone else can
>> provide the build environment and repository space).
>
> I can rebuild kde-redhat on */x86_64 (I know I promised in private
> mail some ages ago, and still did not deliver ...) and also provide
> repo space (how much? My kde-redhat mirror shows 7.5GB).

Now that's what I like to hear.  

-- Rex

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Roland Wolters | 18 Nov 2004 20:47

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Re: platform support plans (and dropping rh80,fc1)

Once upon a time Rex Dieter wrote:
> [new release plans]

Hm - well, it doesn't matter to me because I normally use the actual fc 
version, but I do not know what happen to these people who want to use fc1 
for the next few years - together with kde. Can they "downgrade" to the 
original redhat packages?

> Support for additinal platforms (and possibly dropped ones) could also 
> come from overdue/unattended-to plans to integrate with rpmforge.net 
> and/or ATrpms (provided that they or someone else can provide the build 
> environment and repository space).

There are the neverending rumors and experiences about getting in trouble when 
you mix up atrpms&co. on the one hand and fedora.us&livna on the other hand.
So I would prefer packing only special kde-like-packages which are not in 
fedora.extras...

But I think thats more a question of communication and managing then of 
technical problems?!

Roland

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Axel Thimm | 18 Nov 2004 21:11

Re: platform support plans (and dropping rh80,fc1)

On Thu, Nov 18, 2004 at 08:47:17PM +0100, Roland Wolters wrote:
> There are the neverending rumors and experiences about getting in trouble when 
> you mix up atrpms&co. on the one hand and fedora.us&livna on the other hand.
> So I would prefer packing only special kde-like-packages which are not in 
> fedora.extras...
> 
> But I think thats more a question of communication and managing then of 
> technical problems?!
You said it. The rumors and large danger signs are all over
fedora.us.

I still hope fedora.us will change its manifesto of not cooperating
with other repos, but there are (very few) people there that are (very
loudly) against it ;)

To be honest I haven't had any true reports of incompatibilities of
fedora.us and ATrpms for quite some time (the largest one being
fedora.us adding Epoch:0 to all their packages longer than a year ago,
which broke all other repos), but still the will to
cooperate/coordinate is not there.
--

-- 
Axel.Thimm at ATrpms.net

Rex Dieter | 18 Nov 2004 21:00

Re: platform support plans (and dropping rh80,fc1)

On Thu, 18 Nov 2004, Roland Wolters wrote:

> Once upon a time Rex Dieter wrote:
>> [new release plans]
>
> Hm - well, it doesn't matter to me because I normally use the actual fc
> version, but I do not know what happen to these people who want to use fc1
> for the next few years - together with kde. Can they "downgrade" to the
> original redhat packages?

Dunno why anyone would want to downgrade , but there's I see no reason 
why it wouldn't work, other than the usual manual intervention required 
to downgrade packages.

>> Support for additinal platforms (and possibly dropped ones) could also
>> come from overdue/unattended-to plans to integrate with rpmforge.net
>> and/or ATrpms (provided that they or someone else can provide the build
>> environment and repository space).
>
> There are the neverending rumors and experiences about getting in trouble when
> you mix up atrpms&co. on the one hand and fedora.us&livna on the other hand.

In my experience, most conflicts/incompatibilies, when/if they occur 
and once brought to light, get sorted out in short order.  I don't 
consider it something to be too concerned about.

> So I would prefer packing only special kde-like-packages which are not in
> fedora.extras...

Any possible integration with ATrpms wouldn't necessarily mean that

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Roland Wolters | 18 Nov 2004 22:17

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Re: platform support plans (and dropping rh80,fc1)

Once upon a time Rex Dieter wrote:
> On Thu, 18 Nov 2004, Roland Wolters wrote:
> > Once upon a time Rex Dieter wrote:
> >> [new release plans]
> >
> > Hm - well, it doesn't matter to me because I normally use the actual fc
> > version, but I do not know what happen to these people who want to use
> > fc1 for the next few years - together with kde. Can they "downgrade" to
> > the original redhat packages?
>
> Dunno why anyone would want to downgrade 

Well, whats about security updates for the kde packages? Who will provide them 
after kde-redhat drop fc1 support? I think only fedoralegacy could provide 
them, and if you want to use these packages, you maybe have to downgrade, or 
not? Or am I wrong?

Roland

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Rex Dieter | 18 Nov 2004 22:22

Re: platform support plans (and dropping rh80,fc1)

On Thu, 18 Nov 2004, Roland Wolters wrote:

> Once upon a time Rex Dieter wrote:
>> On Thu, 18 Nov 2004, Roland Wolters wrote:
>>> Once upon a time Rex Dieter wrote:
>>>> [new release plans]
>>>
>>> Hm - well, it doesn't matter to me because I normally use the actual fc
>>> version, but I do not know what happen to these people who want to use
>>> fc1 for the next few years - together with kde. Can they "downgrade" to
>>> the original redhat packages?
>>
>> Dunno why anyone would want to downgrade 
>
> Well, whats about security updates for the kde packages? Who will provide them
> after kde-redhat drop fc1 support? I think only fedoralegacy could provide
> them, and if you want to use these packages, you maybe have to downgrade, or
> not? Or am I wrong?

Of course, forgot about fedoralegacy.org

-- Rex

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