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Simon Marlow | 11 Jul 11:08

Weekly IRC meeting?

Hi folks,

I've been wondering whether it would be useful to have a weekly IRC meeting 
to discuss GHC.  The idea would be that this is a scheduled time when the 
developers turn up on #ghc, we'll discuss current topics around GHC, and 
users can chime in with questions, points for discussion, complaints  
and so on.  I imagine making it completely informal to begin with, and 
later adding some structure (an agenda etc.) if necessary.

Another option is a conference call, but personally I prefer the IRC medium 
for this kind of meeting.  A conference call could work too, though.

Thoughts?  I'm thinking a time around 1600 UK time (currently UTC+1) would 
probably work best, does anyone have preferences for days?

Cheers,
	Simon

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Bulat Ziganshin | 11 Jul 11:21

Re: Weekly IRC meeting?

Hello Simon,

Friday, July 11, 2008, 1:08:52 PM, you wrote:

> Another option is a conference call, but personally I prefer the IRC medium
> for this kind of meeting.  A conference call could work too, though.

i propose to sent every meeting log into cvs-ghc

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 Bulat                            mailto:Bulat.Ziganshin <at> gmail.com

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Neil Mitchell | 16 Jul 17:08

Re: Weekly IRC meeting?

Hi

>  > Another option is a conference call, but personally I prefer the IRC medium
>  > for this kind of meeting.  A conference call could work too, though.
>
> i propose to sent every meeting log into cvs-ghc

I second this. The mibbit.com IRC client is currently blocked by
freenode.net, so I am unable to participate, and would like to see a
log 

Thanks

Neil

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Duncan Coutts | 16 Jul 20:08

Re: Weekly IRC meeting?


On Wed, 2008-07-16 at 16:08 +0100, Neil Mitchell wrote:
> Hi
> 
> >  > Another option is a conference call, but personally I prefer the IRC medium
> >  > for this kind of meeting.  A conference call could work too, though.
> >
> > i propose to sent every meeting log into cvs-ghc
> 
> I second this. The mibbit.com IRC client is currently blocked by
> freenode.net, so I am unable to participate, and would like to see a
> log 

Log here: http://haskell.org/~duncan/ghc/%23ghc-2008-07-16.log

Hopefully we can put them in some standard place as we go on.

Duncan

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Simon Marlow | 17 Jul 13:33

Re: Weekly IRC meeting?

Duncan Coutts wrote:
> On Wed, 2008-07-16 at 16:08 +0100, Neil Mitchell wrote:
>> Hi
>>
>>>  > Another option is a conference call, but personally I prefer the IRC medium
>>>  > for this kind of meeting.  A conference call could work too, though.
>>>
>>> i propose to sent every meeting log into cvs-ghc
>> I second this. The mibbit.com IRC client is currently blocked by
>> freenode.net, so I am unable to participate, and would like to see a
>> log 
> 
> Log here: http://haskell.org/~duncan/ghc/%23ghc-2008-07-16.log
> 
> Hopefully we can put them in some standard place as we go on.

Thanks to everyone who turned up and joined in, we had an interesting 
discussion about the HLP.  On this basis I think we should try making it a 
weekly event.

Cheers,
	Simon

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Johan Tibell | 17 Jul 13:44

Re: Weekly IRC meeting?

On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 1:33 PM, Simon Marlow <marlowsd <at> gmail.com> wrote:
> Thanks to everyone who turned up and joined in, we had an interesting
> discussion about the HLP.  On this basis I think we should try making it a
> weekly event.

Thanks for arranging the meeting. I couldn't attend this time but I've
read the logs and given the constructive discussion I definitely think
it's worth making into a weekly event.

Cheers,

Johan

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Simon Marlow | 21 Jul 12:41

Re: Weekly IRC meeting?

Johan Tibell wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 1:33 PM, Simon Marlow <marlowsd <at> gmail.com> wrote:
>> Thanks to everyone who turned up and joined in, we had an interesting
>> discussion about the HLP.  On this basis I think we should try making it a
>> weekly event.
> 
> Thanks for arranging the meeting. I couldn't attend this time but I've
> read the logs and given the constructive discussion I definitely think
> it's worth making into a weekly event.

Ian and I talked about possibly trying a different time - 9pm UK time, 
which would be slightly less friendly to us in the UK (I have my work/life 
balance to think about you know  but more friendly to people in the US.

For this week let's stick to the same time as last week (4pm UK), but let 
me know if 9pm UK would be better/worse for you (that's 1300 PDT, 1600 EDT).

For this week's discussion, one topic on the table is whether to switch 
version control systems, which I'm sure will make for a lively debate :)

Cheers,
	Simon

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Johan Tibell | 21 Jul 20:24

Re: Weekly IRC meeting?

On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 12:41 PM, Simon Marlow <marlowsd <at> gmail.com> wrote:
> Ian and I talked about possibly trying a different time - 9pm UK time, which
> would be slightly less friendly to us in the UK (I have my work/life balance
> to think about you know  but more friendly to people in the US.

I would have a hard time attending at this time since it's after work
hours in Europe. One nice thing with having it during work hours is
that I can have my IRC open in one window while I work.

> For this week's discussion, one topic on the table is whether to switch
> version control systems, which I'm sure will make for a lively debate :)

Yes! Git please.

Cheers,

Johan darcs-ate-our-ICFP-submission Tibell

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Thomas M. DuBuisson | 22 Jul 06:06

Re: Weekly IRC meeting?

> Ian and I talked about possibly trying a different time - 9pm UK time, 
> which would be slightly less friendly to us in the UK (I have my work/life 
> balance to think about you know  but more friendly to people in the US.
I, for one, am happy with the current time; changing it should always be an option though.

> For this week's discussion, one topic on the table is whether to switch 
> version control systems, which I'm sure will make for a lively debate :)
Perhaps we could have an ever evolving wiki page with the
when/where/agenda/logs.  I've started a rough one [1]; I put it in the
general Haskell wiki because these topics certainly aren't confined to
GHC.

Thomas

[1] http://haskell.org/haskellwiki/Weekly_Meeting

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Simon Marlow | 22 Jul 10:07

Re: Weekly IRC meeting?

Thomas M. DuBuisson wrote:
>> Ian and I talked about possibly trying a different time - 9pm UK time, 
>> which would be slightly less friendly to us in the UK (I have my work/life 
>> balance to think about you know  but more friendly to people in the US.
> I, for one, am happy with the current time; changing it should always be an option though.
> 
>> For this week's discussion, one topic on the table is whether to switch 
>> version control systems, which I'm sure will make for a lively debate :)
> Perhaps we could have an ever evolving wiki page with the
> when/where/agenda/logs.  I've started a rough one [1]; I put it in the
> general Haskell wiki because these topics certainly aren't confined to
> GHC.
> 
> Thomas
> 
> [1] http://haskell.org/haskellwiki/Weekly_Meeting

Hmm, well I did intend these meetings to be focussed mainly on issues 
relating to GHC, rather than a general Haskell discussion which could be 
held on #haskell separately.

By all means start a more general Haskell meeting too, but I want to keep 
this one for GHC.  The VCS debate is about what system GHC should use, not 
the community as a whole.  The HLP discussion is on topic because it is so 
closely related to how we release/package/ship GHC.

Cheers,
	Simon

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Thomas M. DuBuisson | 22 Jul 14:43

Re: Weekly IRC meeting?

> By all means start a more general Haskell meeting too, but I want to keep 
> this one for GHC.  The VCS debate is about what system GHC should use, not 
> the community as a whole.  The HLP discussion is on topic because it is so 
> closely related to how we release/package/ship GHC.

Ah, I assumed this included Hackage.  How presumptuous of me.

Thomas

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Johan Tibell | 11 Jul 15:03

Re: Weekly IRC meeting?

On Fri, Jul 11, 2008 at 11:08 AM, Simon Marlow <marlowsd <at> gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi folks,
>
> I've been wondering whether it would be useful to have a weekly IRC meeting
> to discuss GHC.  The idea would be that this is a scheduled time when the
> developers turn up on #ghc, we'll discuss current topics around GHC, and
> users can chime in with questions, points for discussion, complaints  and
> so on.  I imagine making it completely informal to begin with, and later
> adding some structure (an agenda etc.) if necessary.

I would definitely be interested. 16:00 UK time would work for me.
Personally I'd have an easier time attending during work hours.

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Don Stewart | 11 Jul 19:33

Re: Weekly IRC meeting?

marlowsd:
> Hi folks,
> 
> I've been wondering whether it would be useful to have a weekly IRC 
> meeting to discuss GHC.  The idea would be that this is a scheduled time 
> when the developers turn up on #ghc, we'll discuss current topics around 
> GHC, and users can chime in with questions, points for discussion, 
> complaints  and so on.  I imagine making it completely informal to 
> begin with, and later adding some structure (an agenda etc.) if necessary.
> 
> Another option is a conference call, but personally I prefer the IRC 
> medium for this kind of meeting.  A conference call could work too, though.
> 
> Thoughts?  I'm thinking a time around 1600 UK time (currently UTC+1) would 
> probably work best, does anyone have preferences for days?

I think this is a good plan. 1600 UTC+1 is currently 8am Friday on the
USA west coast fwiw.

-- Don

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Thomas M. DuBuisson | 13 Jul 06:55

Re: Weekly IRC meeting?

Don Stewart wrote:
> marlowsd:
> > Hi folks,
> > 
> > I've been wondering whether it would be useful to have a weekly IRC 
> > meeting to discuss GHC.  The idea would be that this is a scheduled time 
> > when the developers turn up on #ghc, we'll discuss current topics around 
> > GHC, and users can chime in with questions, points for discussion, 
> > complaints  and so on.  I imagine making it completely informal to 
> > begin with, and later adding some structure (an agenda etc.) if necessary.
> > 
> > Another option is a conference call, but personally I prefer the IRC 
> > medium for this kind of meeting.  A conference call could work too, though.
> > 
> > Thoughts?  I'm thinking a time around 1600 UK time (currently UTC+1) would 
> > probably work best, does anyone have preferences for days?
> 
> I think this is a good plan. 1600 UTC+1 is currently 8am Friday on the
> USA west coast fwiw.

I'd listen in if this plan comes to fruition.  The 1600 UTC+1 time
would work fine.

Tom

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Jason Dusek | 13 Jul 19:49

Re: Weekly IRC meeting?

Thomas M. DuBuisson <thomas.dubuisson <at> gmail.com> wrote:
> Don Stewart wrote:
> > I think this is a good plan. 1600 UTC+1 is currently 8am Friday on the
> > USA west coast fwiw.
>
> I'd listen in if this plan comes to fruition. The 1600 UTC+1 time
> would work fine.

  I would listen in, as well. 1500 UTC is a little early in
  SF, but it's before work and that's just as well.

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Simon Marlow | 15 Jul 13:24

Re: Weekly IRC meeting?

Ok, the first weekly IRC meeting is scheduled for Wednesday 16 July 
(tomorrow) at

   1600 BST (UTC+1)
   0800 PDT (UTC-7)
   1100 EDT (UTC-4)
   0100 Thursday in Sydney (sorry guys 

If it turns out to be useful, we'll make it a regular thing.  See you in 
#ghc on chat.freenode.net.  More instructions for getting on IRC are here: 
http://haskell.org/haskellwiki/IRC_channel.

Cheers,
	Simon

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david48 | 16 Jul 10:25

Re: Weekly IRC meeting?

Simon Marlow <marlowsd <at> gmail.com> writes:

> #ghc on chat.freenode.net.  More instructions for getting on IRC are here: 
> http://haskell.org/haskellwiki/IRC_channel.

(There is currently no text in this page)

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Ian Lynagh | 16 Jul 13:19

Re: Weekly IRC meeting?

On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 08:25:41AM +0000, david48 wrote:
> Simon Marlow <marlowsd <at> gmail.com> writes:
> 
> > #ghc on chat.freenode.net.  More instructions for getting on IRC are here: 
> > http://haskell.org/haskellwiki/IRC_channel.
> 
> (There is currently no text in this page) 

The "." is not part of the URL:
    http://haskell.org/haskellwiki/IRC_channel

Thanks
Ian

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david48 | 18 Jul 10:41

Re: Weekly IRC meeting?

Ian Lynagh <igloo <at> earth.li> writes:

> The "." is not part of the URL:
>     http://haskell.org/haskellwiki/IRC_channel

I do feel dumb right now :)

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Simon Marlow | 30 Jul 11:12

Re: Weekly IRC meeting?

The IRC meeting will be held today at 16:00 UK time as usual (there wasn't 
any support for moving it to 21:00).  Simon PJ is back from holiday and 
should make it this time.

Any suggestions for discussion topics?  One idea we have is to talk about 
the GHC API.

Cheers,
	Simon

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Max Bolingbroke | 30 Jul 12:49

Re: Weekly IRC meeting?

It would be nice if we could make some more progress on the revision
control issue from last week. I don't know if people are ready to
actually make a choice of RCS at this stage, but I've tried to make
all the information necessary to make a choice available at
http://hackage.haskell.org/trac/ghc/wiki/DarcsEvaluation, along with
the URLs of the conversions of the GHC repo to all those formats.

Concretely, a decision needs to be made on:
1) Choice of RCS, so we can start researching how to do the Trac
integration / replace darcsweb, and start converting infrastructure
ready for the changeover
2) A timetable for conversion to the new RCS

All the best,
Max

2008/7/30 Simon Marlow <marlowsd <at> gmail.com>:
> The IRC meeting will be held today at 16:00 UK time as usual (there wasn't
> any support for moving it to 21:00).  Simon PJ is back from holiday and
> should make it this time.
>
> Any suggestions for discussion topics?  One idea we have is to talk about
> the GHC API.
>
> Cheers,
>        Simon
>
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Johannes Waldmann | 30 Jul 12:58

Re: Weekly IRC meeting?


>> One idea we have is to talk about the GHC API.

I am generally interested in this,
but cannot contribute much at the moment.

Best regards, J.W.