Laurynn | 15 May 04:33

7 Ruby Programming ebook

Found this on free ebook site.

# Addison Wesley The Ruby Way 2nd Edition Oct 2006
# learning-ruby
# OReilly - Ruby In a Nutshell
# OReilly Ruby Cookbook Jul 2006
# Programming Ruby - The Pragmatic Programmer's Guide
# Ruby Cookbook (OReilly, 2006)
# SYNGRESS-Ruby Developers Guide

http://ebook.mazudi.com/?w=ruby

Leslie Viljoen | 15 May 09:53

Re: 7 Ruby Programming ebook

On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 4:35 AM, Laurynn <surejaya <at> gmail.com> wrote:
> Found this on free ebook site.
>
> # Addison Wesley The Ruby Way 2nd Edition Oct 2006
> # learning-ruby
> # OReilly - Ruby In a Nutshell
> # OReilly Ruby Cookbook Jul 2006
> # Programming Ruby - The Pragmatic Programmer's Guide
> # Ruby Cookbook (OReilly, 2006)
> # SYNGRESS-Ruby Developers Guide

Most, if not all of these books are definitely not free. Any downloads for
them are likely illegal.

Besides, these myriad "free e-book" sites seem to be fakes built entirely
to get people to increase their pagerank (and possibly ad revenue, if
you think people click on ads at sites that annoy them).

Les

Pablo Q. | 15 May 23:21

Re: 7 Ruby Programming ebook

I use this one:

www.pdfchm.com

I don't have ethical problems likes others!

If you wants buy it, go ahead, I don't have problems with that.

2008/5/15 Leslie Viljoen <leslieviljoen <at> gmail.com>:

> On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 4:35 AM, Laurynn <surejaya <at> gmail.com> wrote:
> > Found this on free ebook site.
> >
> > # Addison Wesley The Ruby Way 2nd Edition Oct 2006
> > # learning-ruby
> > # OReilly - Ruby In a Nutshell
> > # OReilly Ruby Cookbook Jul 2006
> > # Programming Ruby - The Pragmatic Programmer's Guide
> > # Ruby Cookbook (OReilly, 2006)
> > # SYNGRESS-Ruby Developers Guide
>
> Most, if not all of these books are definitely not free. Any downloads for
> them are likely illegal.
>
> Besides, these myriad "free e-book" sites seem to be fakes built entirely
> to get people to increase their pagerank (and possibly ad revenue, if
> you think people click on ads at sites that annoy them).
>
> Les
>
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Phillip Gawlowski | 15 May 23:45

Re: 7 Ruby Programming ebook


Pablo Q. wrote:
| I use this one:
|
| www.pdfchm.com
|
| I don't have ethical problems likes others!

But probably legal problems.

You know that you aren't anonymous on thy internet, do you?

--
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Pablo Q. | 16 May 14:44

Re: 7 Ruby Programming ebook

I'm not in the "first world" (I'm from latino america), the infrastructure
for this king of persecution don't exist. (I know that in Germany in
different).

2008/5/15 Phillip Gawlowski <cmdjackryan <at> googlemail.com>:

> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> Hash: SHA1
>
> Pablo Q. wrote:
> | I use this one:
> |
> | www.pdfchm.com
> |
> | I don't have ethical problems likes others!
>
> But probably legal problems.
>
> You know that you aren't anonymous on thy internet, do you?
>
> - --
> Phillip Gawlowski
> Twitter: twitter.com/cynicalryan
> Blog: http://justarubyist.blogspot.com
>
> Parenthesise to avoid ambiguity.
> ~            - The Elements of Programming Style (Kernighan & Plaugher)
> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
> Version: GnuPG v1.4.8 (MingW32)
> Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org
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Dave Thomas | 16 May 14:59

Re: 7 Ruby Programming ebook


On May 16, 2008, at 7:44 AM, Pablo Q. wrote:

> I'm not in the "first world" (I'm from latino america), the  
> infrastructure
> for this king of persecution don't exist. (I know that in Germany in
> different).

Indeed. According to the Peruvian economist Hernando de Soto, this  
general lack of property rights is one of the main limitations to  
economic growth in the region.

Dave

Ruby Freak | 16 May 15:50

Re: 7 Ruby Programming ebook

On May 16, 5:59 am, Dave Thomas <d...@pragprog.com> wrote:
> On May 16, 2008, at 7:44 AM, Pablo Q. wrote:
>
> > I'm not in the "first world" (I'm from latino america), the
> > infrastructure
> > for this king of persecution don't exist. (I know that in Germany in
> > different).
>
> Indeed. According to the Peruvian economist Hernando de Soto, this
> general lack of property rights is one of the main limitations to
> economic growth in the region.
>
> Dave

I am hoping that every @$$hole that attempts to download (AKA STEAL)
one of these PDF's gets a nice piece of malware, which is highly
likely.

Your integrity is your most valuable possession,
and the best part is that no one can take it from you.
To loose it, you must give it away.
TW Scannell

Pablo Q. | 16 May 17:58

Re: 7 Ruby Programming ebook

I know why you are so angry.

http://groups.google.com/group/cowpu/browse_thread/thread/e0ed5165cd47b06e/200731143675492b

Go ahead I say, buy whatever you wants. I 'm a linux user, so I don't think
that I will have problem with malware stuffs!

2008/5/16 Ruby Freak <twscannell <at> gmail.com>:

> On May 16, 5:59 am, Dave Thomas <d...@pragprog.com> wrote:
> > On May 16, 2008, at 7:44 AM, Pablo Q. wrote:
> >
> > > I'm not in the "first world" (I'm from latino america), the
> > > infrastructure
> > > for this king of persecution don't exist. (I know that in Germany in
> > > different).
> >
> > Indeed. According to the Peruvian economist Hernando de Soto, this
> > general lack of property rights is one of the main limitations to
> > economic growth in the region.
> >
> > Dave
>
> I am hoping that every @$$hole that attempts to download (AKA STEAL)
> one of these PDF's gets a nice piece of malware, which is highly
> likely.
>
> Your integrity is your most valuable possession,
> and the best part is that no one can take it from you.
> To loose it, you must give it away.
(Continue reading)

Phillip Gawlowski | 16 May 18:38

Re: 7 Ruby Programming ebook


Pablo Q. wrote:
| I know why you are so angry.
|
|
http://groups.google.com/group/cowpu/browse_thread/thread/e0ed5165cd47b06e/200731143675492b
|
| Go ahead I say, buy whatever you wants. I 'm a linux user, so I don't
think
| that I will have problem with malware stuffs!

Yeah, absolutely no rootkits available for Linux.. Oh, wait..

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Ruby Freak | 16 May 19:25

Re: 7 Ruby Programming ebook

On May 16, 8:58 am, "Pablo Q." <paqs140...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I know why you are so angry.
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/cowpu/browse_thread/thread/e0ed5165cd4...
>
> Go ahead I say, buy whatever you wants. I 'm a linux user, so I don't think
> that I will have problem with malware stuffs!

Pablo,
It's amusing that the thread you referenced involves "Honest" members
of Users Group receiving free books from the publisher in trade for
providing reviews. I have no reason to be angry about that.
You see, there are benefits to having integrity.

Good luck to you.

As23 Mega | 16 May 19:51

Re: 7 Ruby Programming ebook

Ruby Freak wrote:
> On May 16, 8:58 am, "Pablo Q." <paqs140...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> I know why you are so angry.
>>
>> http://groups.google.com/group/cowpu/browse_thread/thread/e0ed5165cd4...
>>
>> Go ahead I say, buy whatever you wants. I 'm a linux user, so I don't think
>> that I will have problem with malware stuffs!
> 
> 
> Pablo,
> It's amusing that the thread you referenced involves "Honest" members
> of Users Group receiving free books from the publisher in trade for
> providing reviews. I have no reason to be angry about that.
> You see, there are benefits to having integrity.
> 
> Good luck to you.

You keep pandering to the best corporate insterests, that sure is 
"integrity". Keep making tha fat cats fatter when dealing with knowledge 
as if it was a merchandise and not a right.

The internet offers a voice and power to those who can't afford 
capitalist imposed quotas. Or do you feel that only US and Europe and 
entitled to knowledge because they cas easily throw away X amount of 
dollars while other people base their economy working in factories for 
you to wear snickers and cool t-shirts and eat tropical fruits and 
coffee?

Maybe you are one of those that just KNOWS that the poor are poor 
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Phillip Gawlowski | 16 May 20:15

Re: 7 Ruby Programming ebook


As23 Mega wrote:

|
| You keep pandering to the best corporate insterests, that sure is
| "integrity". Keep making tha fat cats fatter when dealing with knowledge
| as if it was a merchandise and not a right.

It *is* a merchandise. TANSTAFL. People invested their time and effort
in it, and that deserves compensation.

| The internet offers a voice and power to those who can't afford
| capitalist imposed quotas. Or do you feel that only US and Europe and
| entitled to knowledge because they cas easily throw away X amount of
| dollars while other people base their economy working in factories for
| you to wear snickers and cool t-shirts and eat tropical fruits and
| coffee?

Bullshit. Everybody is free to buy the goods. If they can't afford it:
Tough luck. I can't afford a Ferrari, yet I'm not stealing one.

You know, that's what is called 'integrity'. 'Honor'. 'Fairness'.

Oh, and I'm offering you the once in a lifetime chance of putting your
money where your mouth is: Send me a cheque over all your money, so I
can attain the standard of living I feel entitled to. Deal?

(What, you think the poor are only limited to Africa and Latin America?
I can't afford to buy all the books I want, either. Yet I am not
defrauding others of their work. Funny how that works.)
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James Gray | 16 May 20:21

Re: 7 Ruby Programming ebook

Please folks.  This is Ruby Talk.

Can we get back to Ruby now?

James Edward Gray II

Memoman Br | 16 May 20:41

Re: 7 Ruby Programming ebook

> Bullshit. Everybody is free to buy the goods. If they can't afford it:
> Tough luck. I can't afford a Ferrari, yet I'm not stealing one.

Oh man, now this is just sad! To you a book is mere merchandise, to 
millions of people is knowledge, power, opportunity. A big compendium of 
wisdom that is to be valued and cherish, above the mighty (haha!) dollar 
and those who worship it. A Ferrari? Why the hell would somebody want to 
support a Ferrari that is the equivalent of thousands of invaluable 
books! Not all authors are money grabbing whores, some actually care 
that their knowledge is spread

>Before you start trolling, at least do a *little* research. This is
>insulting to the list's members

Yeah, clearly I'm the one who is deluded here.
Still despite you, I choose to believe in mankind. Oh and I did get 
economy lessons, I actually passed 101 with 100%, not that it matters 
though, because clearly not everybody learns, there's more to the real 
world than a classroom and a book you know.
You better stick to technical questions my Kapitalist-Jugend.
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Patrick Aljord | 30 May 05:27

Re: 7 Ruby Programming ebook

On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 1:15 PM, Phillip Gawlowski
> Bullshit. Everybody is free to buy the goods. If they can't afford it:
> Tough luck. I can't afford a Ferrari, yet I'm not stealing one.
>

The problem is that here in Peru and most of South America, almost
nobody can spend 45$ on a book and education really sucks. So I guess
you suggest that people should just keep there 'integrity'. 'Honor'
and 'Fairness' by not downloading books and stay ignorant?

> Zimbabwe, Cuba, North Korea.. The leaders creating the poverty sure seem
incompetent.

Ok so because leaders are incompetent I should just wait for democracy
to come one day and stay ignorant in the meantime? That's weird.

Michael T. Richter | 30 May 05:59

Re: 7 Ruby Programming ebook

On Fri, 2008-05-30 at 12:27 +0900, Patrick Aljord wrote:
Ok so because leaders are incompetent I should just wait for democracy to come one day and stay ignorant in the meantime? That's weird.
You are dealing with people, Patrick, who build up a huge head of righteous indignation while forgetting that the USA, at the turn of the 20th century, didn't respect foreign copyright.  "Intellectual property protection" only started becoming an issue in the USA when they had some worth protecting.  Now they don't want any other countries to use the same techniques they did to bootstrap.

But really, copyright is off-topic I would suspect.  We should probably continue this discussion off-list.

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Vassilis Rizopoulos | 30 May 09:25

[OT] 7 Ruby Programming ebook

Michael T. Richter wrote:
> On Fri, 2008-05-30 at 12:27 +0900, Patrick Aljord wrote:
>> Ok so because leaders are incompetent I should just wait for democracy
>> to come one day and stay ignorant in the meantime? That's weird.
>>     
> You are dealing with people, Patrick, who build up a huge head of 
> righteous indignation while forgetting that the USA, at the turn of 
> the 20th century, didn't respect foreign copyright.  "Intellectual 
> property protection" only started becoming an issue in the USA when 
> they had some worth protecting.  Now they don't want any other 
> countries to use the same techniques they did to bootstrap.
>
> But really, copyright is off-topic I would suspect.  We should 
> probably continue this discussion off-list.
Yes it is, but I can't resist the temptation anymore. You can draw a 
parallel with programming here.
Most of us working in non-web, coprorate environments find that getting 
Ruby accepted in projects is usually a very hard cause. Some of us 
actualy ignore tool/development guidelines and get the job done - 
usually being 3 times faster and achieving milestones within time and 
budget constraints exonarates my sins.
It's (r)evolution from the inside. I've been working and talking about 
Ruby within my own company for over 5 years now. At first I was deemed 
graphical and I am still the target of puns and diggs, but suddenly I am 
only one of very few (like 3 in 300) who didn't fall asleep during the 
long dictatorship of statically typed languages at work.

So while I will not condone pirating  books for anyone having access to 
them (and by that meaning having the money or not being prevented to buy 
them), I can also cannot hide the fact that when I was a penniless 
student in the backwaters of Greece in the early 90s  I pirated like 
crazy (think xerox copies not PDFs): It's what's enabled me to pay for 
books now.

Knowledge is a very powerful thing. You keep it from people and their 
ignorance makes them selfish, irresponsible and greedy. Educated people 
won't usually in good conscience pirate a book (music and movies are a 
different thing I imagine - mostly to do with the tyranny of 
distribution networks). They will come back and pay for it (yes, yes, 
generic labeling and aphorisms here). So I say educate them and 
yourself, and when anybody wants to prevent you (by setting development 
guidelines, ridiculous import taxes or outright banning deviant texts) 
go around them any way you can.

V.-

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Dave Thomas | 16 May 20:36

Re: 7 Ruby Programming ebook


On May 16, 2008, at 12:51 PM, As23 Mega wrote:

> You keep pandering to the best corporate insterests, that sure is
> "integrity". Keep making tha fat cats fatter when dealing with  
> knowledge
> as if it was a merchandise and not a right.

Knowledge is not merchandise. When you buy a book, you're paying the  
author for his or her time organizing that knowledge for you—you're  
paying for a service. If you don't want to pay for that service,  
you're free to use the available knowledge to learn just the same way  
the original author did. You can read the source code, write the  
thousands of lines of code, read the web, email experts, put stuff out  
for review, and so on. For most people, the money spent on a book  
repays the opportunity cost of the time they'd otherwise spent  
gathering, filtering and organizing the knowledge for themselves. If  
that equation doesn't work in particular circumstances, then the  
source knowledge is still there. But stealing the book is not  
defeating a capitalist machine. It's simply a disincentive for that  
author to put the effort in to creating another book.

Dave

Phillip Gawlowski | 16 May 18:38

Re: 7 Ruby Programming ebook


Dave Thomas wrote:
|
| On May 16, 2008, at 7:44 AM, Pablo Q. wrote:
|
|> I'm not in the "first world" (I'm from latino america), the
|> infrastructure
|> for this king of persecution don't exist. (I know that in Germany in
|> different).
|
| Indeed. According to the Peruvian economist Hernando de Soto, this
| general lack of property rights is one of the main limitations to
| economic growth in the region.

The entertainment industry is slowly but surely learning that lesson.
EA, for example, is not publishing games in Brazil anymore.

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Dave Thomas | 16 May 18:45

Re: 7 Ruby Programming ebook


On May 16, 2008, at 11:38 AM, Phillip Gawlowski wrote:

> | Indeed. According to the Peruvian economist Hernando de Soto, this
> | general lack of property rights is one of the main limitations to
> | economic growth in the region.
>
> The entertainment industry is slowly but surely learning that lesson.
> EA, for example, is not publishing games in Brazil anymore.

It hurts countries internally, too. Without effective property rights,  
it's very hard for people to raise capital (as you can't use assets as  
collateral). And without an efficient capital market, two things  
happen. First, economic progress is slowed dramatically, as no one  
wants to invest. Second, much of the economy moves underground, which  
in the long term builds crime and hinders mobility. de Soto's book is  
a fascinating read.

Dave

Phillip Gawlowski | 16 May 18:58

Re: 7 Ruby Programming ebook


Dave Thomas wrote:

| It hurts countries internally, too. Without effective property rights,
| it's very hard for people to raise capital (as you can't use assets as
| collateral). And without an efficient capital market, two things happen.
| First, economic progress is slowed dramatically, as no one wants to
| invest. Second, much of the economy moves underground, which in the long
| term builds crime and hinders mobility. de Soto's book is a fascinating
| read.

Yep. And there is no easy way out of that vicious circle, either.

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Youth is a period of missed opportunities without the glory of knowing what
~ was missed.
~ -- Cyril Connolly, "Journal and Memoir" 1983
Patrick Aljord | 30 May 05:21

Re: 7 Ruby Programming ebook

On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 7:59 AM, Dave Thomas <dave <at> pragprog.com> wrote:
>
> Indeed. According to the Peruvian economist Hernando de Soto, this general
> lack of property rights is one of the main limitations to economic growth in
> the region.
>

The non respect of copyrights is not what's limiting Latin America
growth, believe me (or google for it) they have way worse problems. I
know that the US is trying to push for DMCA-like and software patents
to other Latin American countries though the TLC and NAFTA but those
won't help at all if not make the situation worse.

Phillip Gawlowski | 16 May 18:39

Re: 7 Ruby Programming ebook


Pablo Q. wrote:
| I'm not in the "first world" (I'm from latino america), the infrastructure
| for this king of persecution don't exist.

Yet. Even China is tightening up on intellectual property. And *that*
country is way more important than any Latin American country.

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Avdi Grimm | 16 May 18:29

Re: 7 Ruby Programming ebook

On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 5:21 PM, Pablo Q. <paqs140482 <at> gmail.com> wrote:
> I don't have ethical problems likes others!

Thank you for being so up-front with the fact that you cannot be
trusted.  It's so hard to know who you can trust these days; it's nice
when someone just comes right out and announces in a public forum that
they are unethical and should not be trusted.

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Karl von Laudermann | 16 May 19:30

Re: 7 Ruby Programming ebook

On May 16, 12:29 pm, Avdi Grimm <a...@avdi.org> wrote:
>
> Thank you for being so up-front with the fact that you cannot be
> trusted.  It's so hard to know who you can trust these days; it's nice
> when someone just comes right out and announces in a public forum that
> they are unethical and should not be trusted.

But how do you *know* he can't be trusted? You're just taking his word
for it.

Phillip Gawlowski | 16 May 19:40

Re: 7 Ruby Programming ebook


Karl von Laudermann wrote:
| On May 16, 12:29 pm, Avdi Grimm <a...@avdi.org> wrote:
|> Thank you for being so up-front with the fact that you cannot be
|> trusted.  It's so hard to know who you can trust these days; it's nice
|> when someone just comes right out and announces in a public forum that
|> they are unethical and should not be trusted.
|
| But how do you *know* he can't be trusted? You're just taking his word
| for it.

"Me, I'm dishonest, and you can always trust a dishonest man to be
dishonest. Honestly, it's the honest men you have to worry about,
because you never know when they're going to do something incredibly
stupid."

/Captain/ Jack Sparrow

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Blog: http://justarubyist.blogspot.com

~   Sometimes I think the surest sign that intelligent life exists
elsewhere in the universe is that none of it has tried to contact us.
-- Calvin
Florian Gilcher | 16 May 19:43

Re: 7 Ruby Programming ebook


On May 16, 2008, at 7:30 PM, Karl von Laudermann wrote:

> On May 16, 12:29 pm, Avdi Grimm <a...@avdi.org> wrote:
>>
>> Thank you for being so up-front with the fact that you cannot be
>> trusted.  It's so hard to know who you can trust these days; it's  
>> nice
>> when someone just comes right out and announces in a public forum  
>> that
>> they are unethical and should not be trusted.
>
> But how do you *know* he can't be trusted? You're just taking his word
> for it.
>

Oh, the "Dark Star"-Argument. For true John Carpenter-Fanboys only.

Regards,
Florian Gilcher
Avdi Grimm | 16 May 16:30

Re: 7 Ruby Programming ebook

On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 10:35 PM, Laurynn <surejaya <at> gmail.com> wrote:
> Found this on free ebook site.

There are so many great and truly free Ruby ebooks available, there's
really no need to shaft the authors that have taken the time and
effort to go through the paper publishing process.

Examples:
The Original Pickaxe: http://www.infoq.com/minibooks/ruby/
Mr. Neighborly's Humble Guide: http://www.infoq.com/minibooks/ruby/
Why's Poignant Guide: http://poignantguide.net/ruby/

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Phillip Gawlowski | 16 May 18:43

Re: 7 Ruby Programming ebook


Avdi Grimm wrote:
| On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 10:35 PM, Laurynn <surejaya <at> gmail.com> wrote:
|> Found this on free ebook site.
|
| There are so many great and truly free Ruby ebooks available, there's
| really no need to shaft the authors that have taken the time and
| effort to go through the paper publishing process.

Actually, that is not what it is about (free vs. paid). It's, well, no
notion of ethically correct, or even acceptable or understandable behavior.

There is, in fact, no sense of guilt connected to copyright
infringement. Not even in nations that should know better, and where
infringement *is* prosecuted, like the US or Germany.

Well, I have faith that karma will balance the equation. Always does.

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Blog: http://justarubyist.blogspot.com

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happiness.	  -- Calvin
Phillip Gawlowski | 16 May 20:43

Re: 7 Ruby Programming ebook


Laurynn wrote:
| Found this on free ebook site.
|
| # Addison Wesley The Ruby Way 2nd Edition Oct 2006
| # learning-ruby
| # OReilly - Ruby In a Nutshell
| # OReilly Ruby Cookbook Jul 2006
| # Programming Ruby - The Pragmatic Programmer's Guide
| # Ruby Cookbook (OReilly, 2006)
| # SYNGRESS-Ruby Developers Guide
|
| http://ebook.mazudi.com/?w=ruby

Fun fact:

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time."

Google Mail's Terms of Service.

I took the liberty of reporting this email to Google.

That being said, I bow out of this discussion.

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Camilo | 22 May 15:18

Re: 7 Ruby Programming ebook

Pablo
The best option is to get the free books that are available. That way
everybody benefits. Those "free versions" are insulting to the authors,
since they do not get paid at all. Hey, ask nicely and somebody might send
you a free used copy.

Rest of the world,
An O'Reilly book costing $45 in the USA costs significantly much more in
Peru; instead of making a straight conversion, think on monthly minimum
wages. A $45 book at $7 per hour means roughly 6.5 hours. Monthly minimum
wage in Peru amounts to $179, which amounts 25% of a monthly minimum wage.
Do you see the disparity, and the lack of incentives for people in Peru to
get the book through Amazon?
So, educate the user and help them find legal sources, instead of accusing
them of thieving.

Best regards,

Camilo

On 5/16/08, Phillip Gawlowski <cmdjackryan <at> googlemail.com> wrote:
>
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> | # OReilly - Ruby In a Nutshell
> | # OReilly Ruby Cookbook Jul 2006
> | # Programming Ruby - The Pragmatic Programmer's Guide
> | # Ruby Cookbook (OReilly, 2006)
> | # SYNGRESS-Ruby Developers Guide
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> | http://ebook.mazudi.com/?w=ruby
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Avdi Grimm | 22 May 17:37

Re: 7 Ruby Programming ebook

On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 9:18 AM, Camilo <camilor <at> gmail.com> wrote:
> Rest of the world,
> An O'Reilly book costing $45 in the USA costs significantly much more in
> Peru; instead of making a straight conversion, think on monthly minimum
> wages.

I was under the impression that publishers priced differently in
different markets.  Is this not the case?

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Michael Schuerig | 22 May 18:00

Re: 7 Ruby Programming ebook

On Thursday 22 May 2008, Avdi Grimm wrote:
> On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 9:18 AM, Camilo <camilor <at> gmail.com> wrote:
> > Rest of the world,
> > An O'Reilly book costing $45 in the USA costs significantly much
> > more in Peru; instead of making a straight conversion, think on
> > monthly minimum wages.
>
> I was under the impression that publishers priced differently in
> different markets.  Is this not the case?

That may be true for academic textbooks where several publishers 
have "international" (read: non-US) editions. For technical books in 
general this doesn't appear to be true. I live in Germany and often 
find that it is cheaper to order books from amazon.com than from 
amazon.de, even taking customs duty into account.

Michael

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Avdi Grimm | 22 May 18:09

Re: 7 Ruby Programming ebook

On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 12:00 PM, Michael Schuerig <michael <at> schuerig.de> wrote:
> That may be true for academic textbooks where several publishers
> have "international" (read: non-US) editions. For technical books in
> general this doesn't appear to be true. I live in Germany and often
> find that it is cheaper to order books from amazon.com than from
> amazon.de, even taking customs duty into account.

I wouldn't expect the prices to be reduced for an advanced Western
nation like Germany.  I'm curious about the pricing in the third
world.

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Phillip Gawlowski | 22 May 18:19

Re: 7 Ruby Programming ebook


Avdi Grimm wrote:

| I wouldn't expect the prices to be reduced for an advanced Western
| nation like Germany.  I'm curious about the pricing in the third
| world.

I noted this in my other email, but you might miss that, so:
<http://www.marginalrevolution.com/marginalrevolution/2008/05/why-are-books-s.html>

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Phillip Gawlowski | 22 May 18:18

Re: 7 Ruby Programming ebook


Michael Schuerig wrote:
| On Thursday 22 May 2008, Avdi Grimm wrote:
|> On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 9:18 AM, Camilo <camilor <at> gmail.com> wrote:
|>> Rest of the world,
|>> An O'Reilly book costing $45 in the USA costs significantly much
|>> more in Peru; instead of making a straight conversion, think on
|>> monthly minimum wages.
|> I was under the impression that publishers priced differently in
|> different markets.  Is this not the case?
|
| That may be true for academic textbooks where several publishers
| have "international" (read: non-US) editions. For technical books in
| general this doesn't appear to be true. I live in Germany and often
| find that it is cheaper to order books from amazon.com than from
| amazon.de, even taking customs duty into account.

This may be an artifact of the German Buchpreisbindung.

For our international friends:

Books are a cultural good, and thus not something you should leave to
the market forces, which also means a lower VAT of 7% instead of 19%.
Therefore, books are priced according to page count and type of binding
(hardcovers can be more expensive than softcovers, which in turn can be
more expensive than pocketbooks).

Which means that highly successful books like by Stephen King are as
expensive (or cheap) as the less successful books (like Wolfgang Holbein).

(N.B.: The German book market is thriving, and new talent, German as
well as international, gets published, too.)

However: This only counts for books produced and sold in Germany, and
that aren't damaged (this leads to funny situations, where books get
priced cheaper that only have a black marker going across the pages on
the outside, say the bottom, and which are otherwise fine). Imported
books can be priced as the retailer likes, as they aren't covered by the
Buchpreisbindung.

This makes it unattractive to go to the length of translating a
technical book (most of us developers can speak English anyhow, if only
for professional reasons) and printing a German version of it.

This also means, that the books have to be imported at a cost, and that,
in turn, increases the price for the end-consumer.

And yes, especially with the US Dollar being as weak as it is, importing
a book from the US is cheaper (especially if you manage to stay below
the customs duty threshold of 5 Euros: Then it is only a trip to customs
to pick up the books).

Also, Tyler Cowen touched on this subject in a recent blog post:
<http://www.marginalrevolution.com/marginalrevolution/2008/05/why-are-books-s.html>

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Michael Schuerig | 22 May 20:48

Re: 7 Ruby Programming ebook

On Thursday 22 May 2008, Phillip Gawlowski wrote:
> This may be an artifact of the German Buchpreisbindung.

As you explain yourself, it does not apply to non-german books.

Michael

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Darryl L. Pierce | 30 May 02:10

Re: 7 Ruby Programming ebook

Michael Schuerig wrote:

> That may be true for academic textbooks where several publishers
> have "international" (read: non-US) editions. For technical books in
> general this doesn't appear to be true. I live in Germany and often
> find that it is cheaper to order books from amazon.com than from
> amazon.de, even taking customs duty into account.

When I was in India last year I picked up a copy of _Design Patterns_ that
was 640rp (about 16USD). The same book (not the same quality of paper) is
99USD. The bookstores there were loaded with new, legal printings of
technical books, in English, but are marked as "LPE" (Low Price Edition).
The book says:

"This edition is manufactured in India and is authorized for sale only in
India, Bangladesh, Bhutan, Pakistan, Nepal, Sri Lank and the Maldives."

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Leslie Viljoen | 30 May 15:02

Re: 7 Ruby Programming ebook

On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 2:10 AM, Darryl L. Pierce <mcpierce <at> gmail.com> wrote:
> Michael Schuerig wrote:
>
>> That may be true for academic textbooks where several publishers
>> have "international" (read: non-US) editions. For technical books in
>> general this doesn't appear to be true. I live in Germany and often
>> find that it is cheaper to order books from amazon.com than from
>> amazon.de, even taking customs duty into account.
>
> When I was in India last year I picked up a copy of _Design Patterns_ that
> was 640rp (about 16USD). The same book (not the same quality of paper) is
> 99USD. The bookstores there were loaded with new, legal printings of
> technical books, in English, but are marked as "LPE" (Low Price Edition).
> The book says:
>
> "This edition is manufactured in India and is authorized for sale only in
> India, Bangladesh, Bhutan, Pakistan, Nepal, Sri Lank and the Maldives."

I really appreciate this, and other ways of getting the same books cheaper.
I buy a lot of books and I think it is relatively expensive in Africa
(but I suppose
mostly due to transport costs).

Cheaper (non-DRM) PDF versions and 2nd-hand books (abebooks.com) are
a real treat for me.

Les

G.Durga Prasad | 30 May 15:14

Re: 7 Ruby Programming ebook

On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 9:07 PM, Avdi Grimm <avdi <at> avdi.org> wrote:
> On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 9:18 AM, Camilo <camilor <at> gmail.com> wrote:
>> Rest of the world,
>> An O'Reilly book costing $45 in the USA costs significantly much more in
>> Peru; instead of making a straight conversion, think on monthly minimum
>> wages.
>
> I was under the impression that publishers priced differently in
> different markets.  Is this not the case?
>
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>
True here in India,for some books, although they may be published
sometimes a year or more later.

Today I just purchased "The Ruby Programming language" by D.Flanagan
and Matz for Indian Rs.400( $10 ) . This book is priced more than $26
at Amazon.com.

This book can legally be  sold only  in the Indian Subcontinent and
some countries in African Continent.

Prasad

Patrick Aljord | 30 May 05:13

Re: 7 Ruby Programming ebook

On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 8:18 AM, Camilo <camilor <at> gmail.com> wrote:
> Pablo
> The best option is to get the free books that are available. That way
> everybody benefits. Those "free versions" are insulting to the authors,
> since they do not get paid at all. Hey, ask nicely and somebody might send
> you a free used copy.
>

Camillo,

There is no used copy of ruby (or any other o'reilly book) books in
Peru. The only way would be to buy a used version on Amazon or Ebay.
Unfortunately, sending it to Peru would cost at least 50$ + the cost
of the used book. Not very interesting. As for finding somebody
willing to send you a free copy (and waste 50$ for you), good luck
about that.

Michael W. Ryder | 30 May 05:59

Re: 7 Ruby Programming ebook

Patrick Aljord wrote:
> On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 8:18 AM, Camilo <camilor <at> gmail.com> wrote:
>> Pablo
>> The best option is to get the free books that are available. That way
>> everybody benefits. Those "free versions" are insulting to the authors,
>> since they do not get paid at all. Hey, ask nicely and somebody might send
>> you a free used copy.
>>
> 
> Camillo,
> 
> There is no used copy of ruby (or any other o'reilly book) books in
> Peru. The only way would be to buy a used version on Amazon or Ebay.
> Unfortunately, sending it to Peru would cost at least 50$ + the cost
> of the used book. Not very interesting. As for finding somebody
> willing to send you a free copy (and waste 50$ for you), good luck
> about that.
> 

Where are you getting your $50 figure?  Sending a priority mail flat 
rate envelope is about $13 for an item weighing up to 4 pounds.  Larger 
items cost more of course, but a lot of books should fit in that rate. 
By the way, that rate is about the same we pay .  If you are curious 
about the shipping costs go to usps.com and select shipping.
As a person that has spent over $40 shipping a computer to Australia, 
before the costs went through the ceiling, I know there are those who 
will send items to other countries at their expense.  I don't know if 
there is anyone in this group that would do this in this case but it is 
something to keep in mind.

Patrick Aljord | 30 May 07:16

Re: 7 Ruby Programming ebook

On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 10:59 PM, Michael W. Ryder
> Where are you getting your $50 figure?  Sending a priority mail flat rate
> envelope is about $13 for an item weighing up to 4 pounds.  Larger items
> cost more of course, but a lot of books should fit in that rate. By the way,
> that rate is about the same we pay .  If you are curious about the shipping
> costs go to usps.com and select shipping.

I doubt 7 ruby books enters in an envelope but anyway...

> I don't know if there is anyone
> in this group that would do this in this case but it is something to keep in
> mind.
>

Get real, thousands if not millions of devs need those books, do you
think it would be possible to find thousands or millions of westerners
to send used copy for free? Why should we get out of our way anyway to
respect US copyright laws when it's obvious that the US doesn't give a
damn about other countries laws... Anyway this is off topic so I'll
stop here for this thread, let's get back to ruby hacking :)

Michael W. Ryder | 30 May 07:29

Re: 7 Ruby Programming ebook

Patrick Aljord wrote:
> On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 10:59 PM, Michael W. Ryder
>> Where are you getting your $50 figure?  Sending a priority mail flat rate
>> envelope is about $13 for an item weighing up to 4 pounds.  Larger items
>> cost more of course, but a lot of books should fit in that rate. By the way,
>> that rate is about the same we pay .  If you are curious about the shipping
>> costs go to usps.com and select shipping.
> 
> I doubt 7 ruby books enters in an envelope but anyway...
> 
>> I don't know if there is anyone
>> in this group that would do this in this case but it is something to keep in
>> mind.
>>
> 
> Get real, thousands if not millions of devs need those books, do you
> think it would be possible to find thousands or millions of westerners
> to send used copy for free? Why should we get out of our way anyway to
> respect US copyright laws when it's obvious that the US doesn't give a
> damn about other countries laws... Anyway this is off topic so I'll
> stop here for this thread, let's get back to ruby hacking :)
> 

Its this attitude that prevents me and probably others from helping. 
No, we can't send everyone in the world that would like a free book a 
copy of our used ones, but that doesn't stop us from helping when we 
can.  Your post reminds me of a news article I just read about Myanmar. 
  They are complaining that they aren't receiving enough "free money" 
for the cyclone victims after they told the world to leave them alone.


Gmane