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Renato Veneroso | 15 May 18:21

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What is the bes Ruby's book for beginners?

Hi everybody,

This is my first message to this forum.

I'm interested in learning Ruby and would like to know what book you
think I should start with. I've worked as a developer for over 17 years
and as a Java developer for 3 and a half years. However I don't know
anything about Ruby. So I need a book that teaches Ruby from the
scratch.

What book do you advice me reading? I want a book that is good both in
content and easiness of reading and learning.

Sorry if this question has been posted before. I did a quick search on
the forum trying to find a topic like this one but I didn't find it.

Thanks in advance.
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Phillip Gawlowski | 15 May 18:33

Re: What is the bes Ruby's book for beginners?


Renato Veneroso wrote:
| Hi everybody,
|
| This is my first message to this forum.
|
| I'm interested in learning Ruby and would like to know what book you
| think I should start with. I've worked as a developer for over 17 years
| and as a Java developer for 3 and a half years. However I don't know
| anything about Ruby. So I need a book that teaches Ruby from the
| scratch.
|
| What book do you advice me reading? I want a book that is good both in
| content and easiness of reading and learning.

Well, there is _why's Poignant Guide. Chris Pine's Learn to Program
(though that is of less use for you, since you know your way around a
programming language :P) is quite good, too.

Though, you might have the best result with Programming Ruby by Dave
Thomas et al.

A free version is available for free online (though, it covers Ruby 1.6,
so is a bit outdated).

Also, Huw Collingbourne just announced his introductory book for Ruby.

Note: all of these are free in one form or another, and there are
probably even more introductory books available on Amazon and in your
local Borders. :)

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Victor Reyes | 15 May 18:57

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Re: What is the bes Ruby's book for beginners?

Although I have over a dozen Ruby books, I find myself using the following
two very frequently:

The Ruby Way  - 2nd Edition         Hal Fulton
Programming Ruby    2nd Edition   Dave Thomas

Victor

On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 12:33 PM, Phillip Gawlowski <
cmdjackryan <at> googlemail.com> wrote:

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> Renato Veneroso wrote:
> | Hi everybody,
> |
> | This is my first message to this forum.
> |
> | I'm interested in learning Ruby and would like to know what book you
> | think I should start with. I've worked as a developer for over 17 years
> | and as a Java developer for 3 and a half years. However I don't know
> | anything about Ruby. So I need a book that teaches Ruby from the
> | scratch.
> |
> | What book do you advice me reading? I want a book that is good both in
> | content and easiness of reading and learning.
>
> Well, there is _why's Poignant Guide. Chris Pine's Learn to Program
> (though that is of less use for you, since you know your way around a

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7stud -- | 15 May 18:35

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Re: What is the bes Ruby's book for beginners?

Renato Veneroso wrote:
> Hi everybody,
> 
> This is my first message to this forum.
> 
> I'm interested in learning Ruby and would like to know what book you
> think I should start with. I've worked as a developer for over 17 years
> and as a Java developer for 3 and a half years. However I don't know
> anything about Ruby. So I need a book that teaches Ruby from the
> scratch.
> 
> What book do you advice me reading? I want a book that is good both in
> content and easiness of reading and learning.
> 

While I don't think it is a very good book, you should probably get 
"Programming Ruby 2d edition" because I think it may be the best there 
is.  The first part of the book is a tutorial, and the second part of 
the book is a Ruby reference, which you definitely need because the Ruby 
docs are so bad.

As a back up book/reference, you might want to try "The Ruby Way (2nd 
ed)".
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Tim Hunter | 15 May 19:00

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Re: What is the bes Ruby's book for beginners?

Renato Veneroso wrote:
> Hi everybody,
> 
> This is my first message to this forum.
> 
> I'm interested in learning Ruby and would like to know what book you
> think I should start with. I've worked as a developer for over 17 years
> and as a Java developer for 3 and a half years. However I don't know
> anything about Ruby. So I need a book that teaches Ruby from the
> scratch.
> 
> What book do you advice me reading? I want a book that is good both in
> content and easiness of reading and learning.
> 
> Sorry if this question has been posted before. I did a quick search on
> the forum trying to find a topic like this one but I didn't find it.
> 
> Thanks in advance.

Welcome to Ruby!

Peter Cooper's _Beginning_Ruby:_From_Novice_to_Professional_ is a good 
starting book if you don't have a lot of programming experience. Since 
you do have a lot of programming experience you could easily get by with 
Dave Thomas' 
_Programming_Ruby:_The_Pragmatic_Programmers'_Guide,_Second_Edition_, 
which has already taught 1000's of people - including me - about Ruby. 
If you want two books about Ruby, Hal Fulton's _The_Ruby_Way_ would be a 
good book to buy next.

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John | 15 May 20:40

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Re: What is the bes Ruby's book for beginners?

You'll love Ruby.

The book that got me really understanding how to tackle beginner
problems was Everyday Scripting with Ruby for Teams, Testers and You
by Brian Marick. It's for the true beginner.

You'll also want to devour "Ruby Cookbook" (O'Reilly) by Carleson and
Richardson. It's never farther than arms reach for me.

Unlike other books mentioned in this post, mine will cost you real,
physical legal tender.

pat eyler | 15 May 21:11

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Re: What is the bes Ruby's book for beginners?

I'm a fan of Peter Cooper's Beginning Ruby.

http://on-ruby.blogspot.com/2007/04/reviewing-beginning-ruby.html

On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 10:24 AM, Renato Veneroso <rveneroso <at> gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi everybody,
>
> This is my first message to this forum.
>
> I'm interested in learning Ruby and would like to know what book you
> think I should start with. I've worked as a developer for over 17 years
> and as a Java developer for 3 and a half years. However I don't know
> anything about Ruby. So I need a book that teaches Ruby from the
> scratch.
>
> What book do you advice me reading? I want a book that is good both in
> content and easiness of reading and learning.
>
> Sorry if this question has been posted before. I did a quick search on
> the forum trying to find a topic like this one but I didn't find it.
>
> Thanks in advance.
> --
> Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/.
>
>

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thanks,
-pate

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Lee Jarvis | 15 May 23:10

Re: What is the bes Ruby's book for beginners?

I personally don't think the pickaxe book is very good for learning
Ruby from a beginners perspective. But it is no doubt a great
reference. I would go for "The Ruby Way" or Chris Pine's tutorial to
get you started.

The new O'Reilly book co-authored by Matz is also available, but I
haven't seen many reviews yet.

Regards,
Lee

Rick DeNatale | 15 May 23:52

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On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 5:10 PM, Lee Jarvis <ljjarvis <at> googlemail.com> wrote:
> I personally don't think the pickaxe book is very good for learning
> Ruby from a beginners perspective. But it is no doubt a great
> reference. I would go for "The Ruby Way" or Chris Pine's tutorial to
> get you started.
>
> The new O'Reilly book co-authored by Matz is also available, but I
> haven't seen many reviews yet.

On the other hand, a lot of folks seem to like the tutorial parts of
the pickaxe, and the new O'Reilly "The Ruby Programming Language" has
very little in the way of a tutorial but is a GREAT reference.

There's really no one-size fits all recommendation for a beginner, a
lot depends on what the beginner already knows, is he a complete new
comer to programming, or someone with experience from other languages,
who needs to be de-programmed first <G>

I've heard lot's of praise for Chris Pine's book, but I've got no
direct experience.

While "The Ruby Way" get's lots of recommendations, personally I was
put off by the attempt to be overly broad in coverage, but more by
very poor proofreading. I don't know about the 1st ed, but the 2nd ed
is plagued by lots of little errors.
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Rick DeNatale

My blog on Ruby
http://talklikeaduck.denhaven2.com/

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Dave Thomas | 16 May 01:00

PickAxe tutorial (was What is the bes Ruby's book for beginners?)

On May 15, 2008, at 4:52 PM, Rick DeNatale wrote:
>
> On the other hand, a lot of folks seem to like the tutorial parts of
> the pickaxe, and the new O'Reilly "The Ruby Programming Language" has
> very little in the way of a tutorial but is a GREAT reference.

This is a topic that's been vexing me a lot in the last few weeks.

I'm working on the third edition, and I keep going back and forth on  
the tutorial section. I personally like the quirkiness of doing things  
like describing classes before expressions, simply because it gives us  
a vocabulary to talk about things. But I know other people feel its  
the wrong way around--explanations should build bottom up.

I've been trying it both ways, and I'm frankly stalled. I'd be  
interested to hear opinions. Keep as is (perhaps losing the jukebox,  
and adding a chapter on basic OO for people coming from procedural  
languages), or reorder it into something more conventional?

Dave

Alec Ross | 16 May 02:05

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In message <7DB48A4C-7FBB-45EC-A701-15F58EA85895 <at> pragprog.com>, Dave 
Thomas <dave <at> pragprog.com> writes
>
>On May 15, 2008, at 4:52 PM, Rick DeNatale wrote:
>>
>> On the other hand, a lot of folks seem to like the tutorial parts of
>> the pickaxe, and the new O'Reilly "The Ruby Programming Language" has
>> very little in the way of a tutorial but is a GREAT reference.
>
>
>This is a topic that's been vexing me a lot in the last few weeks.
>
>I'm working on the third edition, and I keep going back and forth on
>the tutorial section. I personally like the quirkiness of doing things
>like describing classes before expressions, simply because it gives us
>a vocabulary to talk about things. But I know other people feel its
>the wrong way around--explanations should build bottom up.
>
>I've been trying it both ways, and I'm frankly stalled. I'd be
>interested to hear opinions. Keep as is (perhaps losing the jukebox,
>and adding a chapter on basic OO for people coming from procedural
>languages), or reorder it into something more conventional?
>
>
>
>
>Dave
>
>
...

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Ruby Freak | 16 May 16:30

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Re: PickAxe tutorial (was What is the bes Ruby's book for beginners?)

Dave,
First let me say "Thank you" for your contributions to Ruby and Rails.
We wouldn't be where we are without your work.
That said, the biggest problem I had with both of your books was the
implied assumption that the reader was coming intact with prior
programming skills in PERL, PHP, C++ etc. It is a difficult decision
for any teacher to pick a target audience. Do you go for the raw
beginner and bore the advanced reader or assume a certain level of
skill and overwhelm the pure newbie. This problem is true in any
scholastic endeavor.
One method for explaining complex subjects is to have an advanced text
and a "companion" that explains the fine points. While reading
"Pickaxe", I very often found myself confused by the sample code. You
would be talking about one subject and give a eight line piece of
sample code that used GSUB and regex  and several other methods that
an experienced programmer would understand, but I didn't. So there I
am Googling GSUB and other stuff and it takes me 4 hours to figure out
the sample.
Having a "Companion" web page with a wiki or blogger style discussion
for each page would have been very helpful for me. I think the site
would be self sustaining by the community just as this site is. In
fact, I guess you could simply start a Google Group for each title/
edition and users could simply create each topic as a page number,
like "Page 268" and then readers could go to that discussion and
search for it too.

Just my 2 cents

TW Scannell

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Dave Thomas | 16 May 17:43

Re: PickAxe tutorial (was What is the bes Ruby's book for beginners?)

On May 16, 2008, at 9:30 AM, Ruby Freak wrote:

> Having a "Companion" web page with a wiki or blogger style discussion
> for each page would have been very helpful for me. I think the site
> would be self sustaining by the community just as this site is. In
> fact, I guess you could simply start a Google Group for each title/
> edition and users could simply create each topic as a page number,
> like "Page 268" and then readers could go to that discussion and
> search for it too.

These are good points. The PickAxe was never intended to teach  
programming, but it's hard to know just how much to assume.

For a companion site: each of our titles has it's own discussion  
forum, accessible via the book's home page (the link is under the  
cover picture). That might be a good place to organize that kind of  
community discussion.

Dave

Karl von Laudermann | 16 May 16:05

Re: PickAxe tutorial (was What is the bes Ruby's book for beginners?)

On May 15, 7:00 pm, Dave Thomas <d...@pragprog.com> wrote:
>
> This is a topic that's been vexing me a lot in the last few weeks.
>
> I'm working on the third edition, and I keep going back and forth on
> the tutorial section. I personally like the quirkiness of doing things
> like describing classes before expressions, simply because it gives us
> a vocabulary to talk about things. But I know other people feel its
> the wrong way around--explanations should build bottom up.
>
> I've been trying it both ways, and I'm frankly stalled. I'd be
> interested to hear opinions. Keep as is (perhaps losing the jukebox,
> and adding a chapter on basic OO for people coming from procedural
> languages), or reorder it into something more conventional?

I vote for keeping it the way it was in 1st. and 2nd. ed., with
classes described before expressions. The first reason is simply
because you're writing the 3rd edition of an existing book; are you
sure you want to change the fundamental structure of the book? Second,
when I read a document to get an overview of a new language, I find it
rather tedious to work through the obvious stuff first, before getting
to what makes the language interesting. "Oh, so you do addition of
numbers using the + symbol in infix notation? You don't say! *snore*"
Reading the Pickaxe 1st ed. online is what made me a Ruby programmer,
and presenting the interesting bits of the language first is what drew
me in, and made me hungry to start using it.

I feel that the Pickaxe is a great book for teaching Ruby to someone
who is already a programmer, and familiar with object-oriented topics.
It does not teach the fundamentals of programming to someone

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Tony Mc | 24 May 14:49

Re: PickAxe tutorial (was What is the bes Ruby's book for beginners?)

On Thu, 15 May 2008 18:00:52 -0500, Dave Thomas <dave <at> pragprog.com>
wrote:

> 
> On May 15, 2008, at 4:52 PM, Rick DeNatale wrote:
> >
> > On the other hand, a lot of folks seem to like the tutorial parts of
> > the pickaxe, and the new O'Reilly "The Ruby Programming Language" has
> > very little in the way of a tutorial but is a GREAT reference.
> 
> 
> This is a topic that's been vexing me a lot in the last few weeks.
> 
> I'm working on the third edition, and I keep going back and forth on  
> the tutorial section. I personally like the quirkiness of doing things  
> like describing classes before expressions, simply because it gives us  
> a vocabulary to talk about things. But I know other people feel its  
> the wrong way around--explanations should build bottom up.
> 
> I've been trying it both ways, and I'm frankly stalled. I'd be  
> interested to hear opinions. Keep as is (perhaps losing the jukebox,  
> and adding a chapter on basic OO for people coming from procedural  
> languages), or reorder it into something more conventional?

Sorry to come to this late. I was fine with the OO stuff and I think
introducing classes before expressions was a great idea. When I first
met ruby the insight that everything (even classes!) was an object and
therefore had methods was refreshingly different from other languages
I had worked with, so it made sense to introduce ruby by introducing
classes. Where I struggled with the Pickaxe book (2nd edition) was

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Marc Heiler | 25 May 01:34

Re: PickAxe tutorial (was What is the bes Ruby's book for beginners?)

I recommend the Pickaxe book.

I still use it, especially because it has a nice and extended reference 
section. 

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Renato Veneroso | 16 May 18:51

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Re: What is the bes Ruby's book for beginners?

Hi folks,

Thank you all for replying my message.

After reading all your advices I decided to take a chance with 
"Beginning Ruby" by  Peter Cooper. One thing I always do before buying 
any book is reading the book reader's review on Amazon website. In the 
case of "Beginning Ruby" it is almost an unanimity that it's an 
excellent book for beginners. Of course I'm not a novice programmer (I'm 
new only to Ruby) and some parts of the book may not be so useful for 
me. Nevertheless, it seems the book will give me the background I need 
to get into the Ruby world.

Thank you very much again.

Renato
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Dana Merrick | 16 May 18:30

Re: What is the bes Ruby's book for beginners?

There is a new book out co-authored by Matz, the man who created Ruby. 
It's called The Ruby Programming Language, and it is very, very good.

It's only a couple months old, but it is the most up to date (1.8 and 
the not-yet-released 1.9). Because of its age, it's not likely to be 
recommended by a ton of people here, but it was written to be _THE_ 
source on the Ruby language.

Check it out!
-Dana

Renato Veneroso wrote:
> Hi everybody,
> 
> This is my first message to this forum.
> 
> I'm interested in learning Ruby and would like to know what book you
> think I should start with. I've worked as a developer for over 17 years
> and as a Java developer for 3 and a half years. However I don't know
> anything about Ruby. So I need a book that teaches Ruby from the
> scratch.
> 
> What book do you advice me reading? I want a book that is good both in
> content and easiness of reading and learning.
> 
> Sorry if this question has been posted before. I did a quick search on
> the forum trying to find a topic like this one but I didn't find it.
> 
> Thanks in advance.

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Rick DeNatale | 16 May 18:45

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Re: What is the bes Ruby's book for beginners?

On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 12:30 PM, Dana Merrick <dmerrick <at> ics.com> wrote:
> There is a new book out co-authored by Matz, the man who created Ruby. It's
> called The Ruby Programming Language, and it is very, very good.
>
> It's only a couple months old, but it is the most up to date (1.8 and the
> not-yet-released 1.9). Because of its age, it's not likely to be recommended
> by a ton of people here, but it was written to be _THE_ source on the Ruby
> language.
>
> Check it out!
> -Dana

It is a very good book, and might serve as an introduction to Ruby for
some readers.  However, it's really much more of a reference book than
a tutorial, and I suspect that for some people it would serve better
as a second book on Ruby.

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My blog on Ruby
http://talklikeaduck.denhaven2.com/

Markus Arike | 26 May 01:41

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Re: What is the bes Ruby's book for beginners?

Renato Veneroso wrote:

> I'm interested in learning Ruby and would like to know what book you
> think I should start with. 

I would like to also recommend The Ruby Programming Language by David 
Flanagan and
Yukihiro Matsumoto.  It is a well written, incredibly detailed 
discussion of all ascpects of the Ruby Language.

In much the same manner as in his book, Javascript: The Definitive 
Guide, the author has a knack for clearly describing the inner-workings 
of Ruby.
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