Hi,

Am 07.07.2006 um 09:16 schrieb Andreas Raab:

> Right. I *fully* support Alan's efforts to get these communities
> involved in the educational efforts - if we compete then the kids
> will ultimately win. If that is in Squeak or in Python or in Ruby,
> who cares?
>
+1

We are always at the beginning of teaching knowledge, pedagogics as
didactics. No one can assume the Squeak is the last step here,
althought it is a very important one Would be interesting to see,
how Alan's experience in using Squeak may  influence python or even
other things


Regards

Hans

> Cheers,
>   - Andreas
>
> Alan Kay wrote:
>> ... Children First!
>> (It doesn't mean Squeak First, or Python or Ruby First.)
>> Cheers,
>> Alan
>> At 07:24 PM 7/6/2006, Brad Fuller wrote:
>>> Markus Gaelli wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On Jul 7, 2006, at 12:46 AM, Brad Fuller wrote:
>>>>> Serge Stinckwich wrote:
>>>>>> There is a report of Guido Van Rossum about an Alan Kay talk
>>>>>> in his
>>>>>> web log here : http://www.artima.com/weblogs/viewpost.jsp?
>>>>>> thread=167318
>>>>> this is sad to read:
>>>>>
>>>>> Alan believes that Python has a much larger mindshare than
>>>>> Smalltalk or
>>>>> Squeak, and that because of this a similar environment in
>>>>> Python will
>>>>> have a greater chance of succeeding than the current Squeak
>>>>> one. Also,
>>>>> the $100 laptop already has Python, and Alan is of course
>>>>> hoping that a
>>>>> Squeak-like environment will be part of it, so this appears
>>>>> expedient.
>>>>> (At the Shuttleworth summit in April
>>>>> < <http://www.artima.com/weblogs/viewpost.jsp ?
>>>>> thread=156162>http://www.artima.com/weblogs/viewpost.jsp?
>>>>> thread=156162> < http://www.artima.com/weblogs/viewpost.jsp?
>>>>> thread=156162> I believe
>>>>> Alan also suggested that Squeak is suffering from its extremely
>>>>> simple
>>>>> graphics model; apparently it cannot benefit from graphics
>>>>> accelerator
>>>>> cards because of its platform-independent architecture. Python
>>>>> on the
>>>>> other hand already has bindings to OpenGL and DirectX, for
>>>>> example.)
>>>>>
>>>>> --brad
>>>>> sonaural
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi folks,
>>>>
>>>> let's be proud that Smalltalk was indispensable to come up with
>>>> Etoys and let us accept the challenge.
>>>>
>>>> I googled for python IDEs today and found
>>>> http://wiki.python.org/moin/IntegratedDevelopmentEnvironments
>>>> and there the most up to date IDE shootout of
>>>> http://spyced.blogspot.com/2005/09/review-of-6-python-ides.html
>>>> and
>>>> http://spyced.blogspot.com/2006/02/pycon-python-ide-review.html
>>>>
>>>> I have to say that I was not impressed.
>>>>
>>>> The IDEs were either not free: Wing, Komodo and in the future PyDev
>>>> based on Qt (Eric4)
>>>> had no liberal license (Gnu! ): SPE
>>>> couldn't eat their own dog food as they were based on Java: PyDev
>>>> or didn't have convincing screenshots: DrPython
>>>>
>>>> Alan, which python IDE would you suggest us to widen our
>>>> perspectives for ourselves, the job market and for helping to
>>>> make the world a better place - if it is not Squeak?
>>> I have no idea if Alan actually said that, there are not quotes.
>>> And, Alan can speak for himself. However(!), if the essence of
>>> the paraphrase is right, I think he's suggesting that Python can
>>> benefit from the work that Smalltalk has pioneered. But, I don't
>>> know if he's referring to the IDE, eToys, or what when he says
>>> "environment"
>>>
>>> --
>>> brad
>>> sonaural
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