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Bill Kerr | 22 Sep 09:06

Saving in etoys

On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 1:26 AM, Michael Rueger <m.rueger-HInyCGIudOg@public.gmane.org> wrote:
Bill Kerr wrote:
Some of the new features on etoys are great and / or look really interesting.

Here are some comments and questions about the new etoys (running on Windows) based on a preliminary look:

1) Default saving goes to a non existent folder C:\My Pictures\My Squeak and so saving fails. Solve this problem by holding down the mouse button on the Keep icon and then an option to navigate to a desired folder becomes available. This is not explained on the balloon help of the Keep icon, although it is explained on the balloon help of the Find icon.

You mean saving a project tries to save in that location?
Which Windows and etoys version are you using?
Did you start it standalone or in the browser?

Sorry, I was mistaken about saving in a non existent folder and failing to save. It was confusing though because the folder was 5 layers deep:
C:\Documents and Settings\user\My Documents\ My Squeak\ Squeaklets

I don't think this is a convenient default saving location and will cause confusion for those using Etoys for the first time. Here is what the beginner will have to do:

Saving by just clicking on the Keep icon (not holding down mouse):
  • Save correctly, this requires clicking on the My Squeak folder
  • Note the path of the My Squeak folder is not shown, which makes it harder to locate later
  • Note that it saves in the Squeaklet folder, not the folder that you have to click on but a subfolder of the My Squeak folder. Actually the popup balloon says this, which is confusing language: "Save in the place specified below, and in the Squeaklets folder on your local disc"

Saving by clicking on Keep icon and holding down the mouse:
  • How would a new user know to hold down the mouse? It is not mentioned in the balloon help for the Keep icon
  • I don't see any difference than the Publish and the Publish As... options. I would have thought that Publish As... would offer folders with paths
  • Click on Publish to Different Server. For me that option implies publishing on a network but actually it is what you have to do to obtain the folder with path options
  • Publish This Project window does not offer an option to create your own new folder

This is not user friendly saving

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Yoshiki Ohshima | 22 Sep 21:03

Re: Saving in etoys

At Mon, 22 Sep 2008 17:10:17 +1000,
Bill Kerr wrote:
> 
> Sorry, I was mistaken about saving in a non existent folder and failing to save. It was confusing though
because the
> folder was 5 layers deep:
> C:\Documents and Settings\user\My Documents\ My Squeak\ Squeaklets
> 
> I don't think this is a convenient default saving location and will cause confusion for those using Etoys
for the first
> time. Here is what the beginner will have to do:

  When you save, it should create another (real) copy of the .pr file,
at the location you or the system specifies; It should be under ...\My
Documents\Etoys.  Do you see it?  "Squeaklets" is used for storing
temporary data and the user shouldn't be concerned with it.  (We
should clean it up.)

  You started Etoys as a standalone application by clicking the Etoys
application icon, right?  We have a problem on certain combination of
these things, and some user directory folder ended up with the old "My
Squeak" location.

> Saving by just clicking on the Keep icon (not holding down mouse):
> 
>  ・ Save correctly, this requires clicking on the My Squeak folder

  That would be a bug.  It shouldn't show "My Squeak" (anymore).

>  ・ Note the path of the My Squeak folder is not shown, which makes it harder to locate later
>  ・ Note that it saves in the Squeaklet folder, not the folder that you have to click on but a subfolder of the My
>     Squeak folder. Actually the popup balloon says this, which is confusing language: "Save in the place specified
>     below, and in the Squeaklets folder on your local disc"

  Yes, that sounds wrong.

> Saving by clicking on Keep icon and holding down the mouse:
> 
>  ・ How would a new user know to hold down the mouse? It is not mentioned in the balloon help for the Keep icon
>  ・ I don't see any difference than the Publish and the Publish As... options. I would have thought that
Publish As...
>     would offer folders with paths
>  ・ Click on Publish to Different Server. For me that option implies publishing on a network but actually
it is what you
>     have to do to obtain the folder with path options
>  ・ Publish This Project window does not offer an option to create your own new folder

  Thank you for the suggestions.  Yes, the default should work and the
menu item names should be cleaned up.

-- Yoshiki
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