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Am 23.11.2008 um 06:11 schrieb Marta Voelcker:

> Randal, Jecel and all,
>
> June is also possible, but, I was thinking how Smalltalk Conference  
> and how  FISL atmosphere relate to the Squeakfest that I had in mind  
> (similar to Chicago 2007)...
>
> I have limited experience, but the way I see things, the currently  
> biggest challenge for E-toys growth is not on its code, is not  
> related to software, but to teachers and schools reps. It is related  
> to communicating what for, and how to, use it inside schools.
>
> In this context, making a metaphor with sports, let's say... with  
> NBA - I see the developers/programmers as the wise and experienced  
> coaches, and I see the  teachers as the players. They are those who  
> score, who make it happen inside the classroom - I would like to see  
> them becoming the stars, shining in this context!
>
> The name Squeakfest made history already, and so we plan to keep it,  
> but in fact, the idea is not about squeak-the programming language-  
> the idea is gathering together to share experience and plans  about  
> E-toys.
>
> Talking about e-toys I am particularly motivated about 2009 - the  
> landscape had never been so proper to make it growth. Taking growth  
> as explained by
> David Cavallo's in his paper - Models of growth — towards  
> fundamental change in learning environments - ... as the terms  
> replication and scaling are themselves problematic and misleading.   
> I see 2009 proper for growth because OLPC has already delivered XOs  
> in schools in many countries; technology price had go down also in  
> developing countries…    But schools  will need initiated teachers,  
> teachers active in e-toys community, to make it happen.
>  Maybe,  relating Squeakfest with a big  software conferences might  
> scare teachers…
> In the other hand, making Squeakfest  close to an IT for Education  
> conference (WCCE) is probably going to increase attendance of  
> teachers and people from education area.
>
> Let me know your thoughts,

Hi Marta,

I agree with you that the main focus of Squeakfest should be the  
teachers and educators. In this context I would think July is easier  
for teachers because of the summer holidays, which in most countries  
will have started in July (as far as I know). What you think about  
Squeakfest sounds very inspiring! Please let me know how I can help  
you with planning.

Best regards,
Rita

>
> Marta
>
> -----Mensagem original-----
> De: Randal L. Schwartz [mailto:merlyn@...]
> Enviada em: sábado, 22 de novembro de 2008 10:42
> Para: Marta Voelcker
> Cc: squeakland@...;
etoys@...; 'Susana  
> Seidel'; Edson Lindner; 'Daniela Hoffmann';
decio@...r 
> ; Léa Fagundes - UFRGS (Léa Fagundes - UFRGS); 'bruno sperb';  
> 'Mônica Estrázulas'
> Assunto: Re: [Squeakland] Squeakfest 2009
>
> >>>>> "Marta" == Marta Voelcker <marta@...>  
> writes:
>
> Marta>  It is time to continue to plan and decide things about  
> Squeakfest
> Marta> 2009. My colleagues and I have been talking and we are  
> enthusiastic to
> Marta> hold a gathering in Porto Alegre on July 23rd to 25th  
> ( Thursday to
> Marta> Saturday).  Another International Conference about IT for Ed  
> - WCCE
> Marta> -world conference in computers for education is going to take  
> place
> Marta> near Porto Alegre in the following week - July 27th to 31st.   
> We
> Marta> thought that some of the people coming for Squeakfest would get
> Marta> interested in attending WCCE and vice versa.
>
> Please also note the addition of an entire 3-day Smalltalk Mini-Conf  
> within
> FISL 10, a mere three weeks earlier within the same city!  How much
> smalltalking can Porto Alegre handle? :)
>
> --
> Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503  
> 777 0095
> <merlyn@...> <URL:http://www.stonehenge.com/merlyn/>
> Smalltalk/Perl/Unix consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc.
> See http://methodsandmessages.vox.com/ for Smalltalk and Seaside  
> discussion
> _______________________________________________
> Etoys mailing list
> Etoys@...
> http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/etoys

Rita,

thanks for your reply,
Nice to know that you are considering to come!
We could think together how to organize some new kind - more interactive
workshops - maybe for a happy hour -or one afternoon - 

I participated in a conference in Costa Rica, last April - there was one
moment called " Café with researchers" they organized 2 researchers and a
translator per table together with 10 local students - we had coffee and an
casual conversation - each table had specific theme and researchers from
different countries... I am sure you have other experiences ... we could
think about some interactive moments...

Vielen dank!

Marta

-----Mensagem original-----
De: Rita Freudenberg [mailto:rita@...] 
Enviada em: domingo, 23 de novembro de 2008 17:02
Para: Marta Voelcker
Cc: 'Randal L. Schwartz'; etoys@...; 'Susana Seidel'; 'Edson
Lindner'; squeakland@...; 'Daniela Hoffmann';
decio@...; "'Léa Fagundes - UFRGS (Léa Fagundes -
UFRGS)'"; 'bruno sperb'; "'Mônica Estrázulas'"
Assunto: Re: [Etoys] RES: [Squeakland] Squeakfest 2009

Am 23.11.2008 um 06:11 schrieb Marta Voelcker:

> Randal, Jecel and all,
>
> June is also possible, but, I was thinking how Smalltalk Conference  
> and how  FISL atmosphere relate to the Squeakfest that I had in mind  
> (similar to Chicago 2007)...
>
> I have limited experience, but the way I see things, the currently  
> biggest challenge for E-toys growth is not on its code, is not  
> related to software, but to teachers and schools reps. It is related  
> to communicating what for, and how to, use it inside schools.
>
> In this context, making a metaphor with sports, let's say... with  
> NBA - I see the developers/programmers as the wise and experienced  
> coaches, and I see the  teachers as the players. They are those who  
> score, who make it happen inside the classroom - I would like to see  
> them becoming the stars, shining in this context!
>
> The name Squeakfest made history already, and so we plan to keep it,  
> but in fact, the idea is not about squeak-the programming language-  
> the idea is gathering together to share experience and plans  about  
> E-toys.
>
> Talking about e-toys I am particularly motivated about 2009 - the  
> landscape had never been so proper to make it growth. Taking growth  
> as explained by
> David Cavallo's in his paper - Models of growth  towards  
> fundamental change in learning environments - ... as the terms  
> replication and scaling are themselves problematic and misleading.   
> I see 2009 proper for growth because OLPC has already delivered XOs  
> in schools in many countries; technology price had go down also in  
> developing countries    But schools  will need initiated teachers,  
> teachers active in e-toys community, to make it happen.
>  Maybe,  relating Squeakfest with a big  software conferences might  
> scare teachers
> In the other hand, making Squeakfest  close to an IT for Education  
> conference (WCCE) is probably going to increase attendance of  
> teachers and people from education area.
>
> Let me know your thoughts,

Hi Marta,

I agree with you that the main focus of Squeakfest should be the  
teachers and educators. In this context I would think July is easier  
for teachers because of the summer holidays, which in most countries  
will have started in July (as far as I know). What you think about  
Squeakfest sounds very inspiring! Please let me know how I can help  
you with planning.

Best regards,
Rita

>
> Marta
>
> -----Mensagem original-----
> De: Randal L. Schwartz [mailto:merlyn@...]
> Enviada em: sábado, 22 de novembro de 2008 10:42
> Para: Marta Voelcker
> Cc: squeakland@...;
etoys@...; 'Susana  
> Seidel'; Edson Lindner; 'Daniela Hoffmann'; decio@...

> ; Léa Fagundes - UFRGS (Léa Fagundes - UFRGS); 'bruno sperb';  
> 'Mônica Estrázulas'
> Assunto: Re: [Squeakland] Squeakfest 2009
>
> >>>>> "Marta" == Marta Voelcker <marta@...>  
> writes:
>
> Marta>  It is time to continue to plan and decide things about  
> Squeakfest
> Marta> 2009. My colleagues and I have been talking and we are  
> enthusiastic to
> Marta> hold a gathering in Porto Alegre on July 23rd to 25th  
> ( Thursday to
> Marta> Saturday).  Another International Conference about IT for Ed  
> - WCCE
> Marta> -world conference in computers for education is going to take  
> place
> Marta> near Porto Alegre in the following week - July 27th to 31st.   
> We
> Marta> thought that some of the people coming for Squeakfest would get
> Marta> interested in attending WCCE and vice versa.
>
> Please also note the addition of an entire 3-day Smalltalk Mini-Conf  
> within
> FISL 10, a mere three weeks earlier within the same city!  How much
> smalltalking can Porto Alegre handle? :)
>
> --
> Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503  
> 777 0095
> <merlyn@...> <URL:http://www.stonehenge.com/merlyn/>
> Smalltalk/Perl/Unix consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc.
> See http://methodsandmessages.vox.com/ for Smalltalk and Seaside  
> discussion
> _______________________________________________
> Etoys mailing list
> Etoys@...
> http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/etoys

Marta Voelcker wrote:
> Rita,
>
> thanks for your reply,
> Nice to know that you are considering to come!
> We could think together how to organize some new kind - more interactive
> workshops - maybe for a happy hour -or one afternoon - 
>
> I participated in a conference in Costa Rica, last April - there was one
> moment called " Café with researchers" they organized 2 researchers and a
> translator per table together with 10 local students - we had coffee and an
> casual conversation - each table had specific theme and researchers from
> different countries... I am sure you have other experiences ... we could
> think about some interactive moments...
>
>   
That sounds very interesting! What I liked very much at the Scratch 
conference in July were the kids on the first keynote. That was such a 
motivation for every researcher and teacher! I would like to do 
something like that at Squeakfest, maybe with the kids from Luciana de 
Abreu Elementary School? What do you think?

Cumprimentos,
Rita
> Vielen dank!
>
> Marta
>
>
> -----Mensagem original-----
> De: Rita Freudenberg [mailto:rita@...] 
> Enviada em: domingo, 23 de novembro de 2008 17:02
> Para: Marta Voelcker
> Cc: 'Randal L. Schwartz'; etoys@...; 'Susana Seidel'; 'Edson
> Lindner'; squeakland@...; 'Daniela Hoffmann';
> decio@...; "'Léa Fagundes - UFRGS (Léa Fagundes -
> UFRGS)'"; 'bruno sperb'; "'Mônica Estrázulas'"
> Assunto: Re: [Etoys] RES: [Squeakland] Squeakfest 2009
>
> Am 23.11.2008 um 06:11 schrieb Marta Voelcker:
>
>   
>> Randal, Jecel and all,
>>
>> June is also possible, but, I was thinking how Smalltalk Conference  
>> and how  FISL atmosphere relate to the Squeakfest that I had in mind  
>> (similar to Chicago 2007)...
>>
>> I have limited experience, but the way I see things, the currently  
>> biggest challenge for E-toys growth is not on its code, is not  
>> related to software, but to teachers and schools reps. It is related  
>> to communicating what for, and how to, use it inside schools.
>>
>> In this context, making a metaphor with sports, let's say... with  
>> NBA - I see the developers/programmers as the wise and experienced  
>> coaches, and I see the  teachers as the players. They are those who  
>> score, who make it happen inside the classroom - I would like to see  
>> them becoming the stars, shining in this context!
>>
>> The name Squeakfest made history already, and so we plan to keep it,  
>> but in fact, the idea is not about squeak-the programming language-  
>> the idea is gathering together to share experience and plans  about  
>> E-toys.
>>
>> Talking about e-toys I am particularly motivated about 2009 - the  
>> landscape had never been so proper to make it growth. Taking growth  
>> as explained by
>> David Cavallo's in his paper - Models of growth — towards  
>> fundamental change in learning environments - ... as the terms  
>> replication and scaling are themselves problematic and misleading.   
>> I see 2009 proper for growth because OLPC has already delivered XOs  
>> in schools in many countries; technology price had go down also in  
>> developing countries…    But schools  will need initiated teachers,  
>> teachers active in e-toys community, to make it happen.
>>  Maybe,  relating Squeakfest with a big  software conferences might  
>> scare teachers…
>> In the other hand, making Squeakfest  close to an IT for Education  
>> conference (WCCE) is probably going to increase attendance of  
>> teachers and people from education area.
>>
>> Let me know your thoughts,
>>     
>
> Hi Marta,
>
> I agree with you that the main focus of Squeakfest should be the  
> teachers and educators. In this context I would think July is easier  
> for teachers because of the summer holidays, which in most countries  
> will have started in July (as far as I know). What you think about  
> Squeakfest sounds very inspiring! Please let me know how I can help  
> you with planning.
>
> Best regards,
> Rita
>
>   
>> Marta
>>
>> -----Mensagem original-----
>> De: Randal L. Schwartz [mailto:merlyn@...]
>> Enviada em: sábado, 22 de novembro de 2008 10:42
>> Para: Marta Voelcker
>> Cc: squeakland@...;
etoys@...; 'Susana  
>> Seidel'; Edson Lindner; 'Daniela Hoffmann'; decio@...g.br
>>     
>
>   
>> ; Léa Fagundes - UFRGS (Léa Fagundes - UFRGS); 'bruno sperb';  
>> 'Mônica Estrázulas'
>> Assunto: Re: [Squeakland] Squeakfest 2009
>>
>>     
>>>>>>> "Marta" == Marta Voelcker <marta@...>  
>>>>>>>               
>> writes:
>>
>> Marta>  It is time to continue to plan and decide things about  
>> Squeakfest
>> Marta> 2009. My colleagues and I have been talking and we are  
>> enthusiastic to
>> Marta> hold a gathering in Porto Alegre on July 23rd to 25th  
>> ( Thursday to
>> Marta> Saturday).  Another International Conference about IT for Ed  
>> - WCCE
>> Marta> -world conference in computers for education is going to take  
>> place
>> Marta> near Porto Alegre in the following week - July 27th to 31st.   
>> We
>> Marta> thought that some of the people coming for Squeakfest would get
>> Marta> interested in attending WCCE and vice versa.
>>
>> Please also note the addition of an entire 3-day Smalltalk Mini-Conf  
>> within
>> FISL 10, a mere three weeks earlier within the same city!  How much
>> smalltalking can Porto Alegre handle? :)
>>
>> --
>> Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503  
>> 777 0095
>> <merlyn@...> <URL:http://www.stonehenge.com/merlyn/>
>> Smalltalk/Perl/Unix consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc.
>> See http://methodsandmessages.vox.com/ for Smalltalk and Seaside  
>> discussion
>> _______________________________________________
>> Etoys mailing list
>> Etoys@...
>> http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/etoys
>>     
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Etoys mailing list
> Etoys@...
> http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/etoys
>
>
>
>   

Hi Martha

Marta Voelcker escribió:
>
> Randal, Jecel and all,
>
> June is also possible, but, I was thinking how Smalltalk Conference 
> and how FISL atmosphere relate to the Squeakfest that I had in mind 
> (similar to Chicago 2007)...
>
> I have limited experience, but the way I see things, the currently 
> biggest challenge for E-toys growth is not on its code, is not related 
> to software, but to teachers and schools reps. It is related to 
> communicating /what for,/ and /how to,/ use it inside schools.
>
> In this context, making a metaphor with sports, let's say... with NBA 
> - I see the developers/programmers as the wise and experienced 
> coaches, and I see the teachers as the players. They are those who 
> score, who make it happen inside the classroom - I would like to see 
> them becoming the stars, shining in this context!
>
> The name Squeakfest made history already, and so we plan to keep it, 
> but in fact, the idea is not about squeak-the programming language- 
> the idea is gathering together to share experience and plans about E-toys.
>
> Talking about e-toys I am particularly motivated about 2009 - the 
> landscape had never been so proper to make it growth. Taking growth as 
> explained by
>
> David Cavallo's in his paper - Models of growth — towards fundamental 
> change in learning environments - ... /as the terms replication and 
> scaling are themselves problematic and misleading. /I see 2009 proper 
> for growth because OLPC has already delivered XOs in schools in many 
> countries; technology price had go down also in developing countries… 
> But schools will need initiated teachers, teachers active in e-toys 
> community, to make it happen.
>
[...]
>
> Maybe, relating Squeakfest with a big software conferences might scare 
> teachers…
>
> In the other hand, making Squeakfest close to an IT for Education 
> conference (WCCE) is probably going to increase attendance of teachers 
> and people from education area.
>

Nice to hear about you and your views for the incoming Squeakfest. 
Talking about the Cavallo's article. His group also said that changes in 
macro scale require also (among other things):

* Materials: things that make easy the work with new paradigms (etoys 
and OLPC are two of them) and
* bottom up and emergent process
* Community and communication

So I think that Squeakfest has a lot of opportunity to take advantage of 
this things. I emphasize this three because with a little switch in 
Squeakfest they can help to create a more large scale changes:

* We need a more bottom-up spaces in the event. Of course workshops and 
usual conferences will be there, but I would propose something more 
emergent and bottom up. We have here in Colombia something called 
Educamp[1], the space and the dynamics emphasize the emergent process of 
knowledge building between participants. Other things like the world 
cafe work in the same vein

[1] http://educamp.wetpaint.com/
[2] http://www.theworldcafe.com/

We need also somekind of "Squeak cross-pollination" between Squeak and 
other communities. For me Squeak has somekind of natural way to 
construct a discourse about computers as cognitive artifacts. In some 
way things that you think for long time ago before knowing Squeak about 
what computers should be, are already there, but you find this a a lot 
of other interesting ideas in other communities. Recently I found the 
idea of a self-contained, elucidative system in Tiddlywiki. Would be 
nice to put this ideas and communities to chat and to stretch ties and 
talks between them.

There is any place for papers submisions or ideas about workshops? I 
will really like to present something this year also.

Cheers,

Offray

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