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Janko Mivšek | 26 May 11:08
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Our website in other languages too?

Dear all,

I just read Yoshiki's post about wish of Latin American countries to 
have EToys in Spanish and there are already wishes to have our 
www.squeak.org in Spanish too. So, shall we start thinking about having 
our website in many languages?

I'm personally fan of that idea but with some preconditions:

    1. Every supported language must have a sub-community willing to 
translate and maintain content in their language. Maintaining 
consistently and long-term! If this precondition is not met, we better 
don't support that language.

    2. We need to upgrade website to be able to support many languages 
and easily make translation of content between them.

We can copy the Wikipedia way of supporting multilingual entries where 
every language has its own but usually not the same description of some 
term. This way is to be considered too. We can have only the same basic 
structure and titles of the content, but every language sub-community 
has a freedom to describe the title by their own. Ok, some content must 
obviously be the same in all languages, but this can be the exception of 
the rule.

We can also provide the notification of changes of content (RSS, 
e-mail), so that communities will be able to react to the changes fast.

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Igor Stasenko | 26 May 11:17

Re: [Webteam] Our website in other languages too?

2008/5/26 Janko Mivšek <janko.mivsek <at> eranova.si>:
> Dear all,
>
> I just read Yoshiki's post about wish of Latin American countries to have
> EToys in Spanish and there are already wishes to have our www.squeak.org in
> Spanish too. So, shall we start thinking about having our website in many
> languages?
>
> I'm personally fan of that idea but with some preconditions:
>
>   1. Every supported language must have a sub-community willing to translate
> and maintain content in their language. Maintaining consistently and
> long-term! If this precondition is not met, we better don't support that
> language.
>
>   2. We need to upgrade website to be able to support many languages and
> easily make translation of content between them.
>
> We can copy the Wikipedia way of supporting multilingual entries where every
> language has its own but usually not the same description of some term. This
> way is to be considered too. We can have only the same basic structure and
> titles of the content, but every language sub-community has a freedom to
> describe the title by their own. Ok, some content must obviously be the same
> in all languages, but this can be the exception of the rule.
>
> We can also provide the notification of changes of content (RSS, e-mail), so
> that communities will be able to react to the changes fast.
>
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Janko Mivšek | 26 May 12:48
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Re: Re: [Webteam] Our website in other languages too?

Hi Igor,

Igor Stasenko wrote:

> +1
> 
> I can help with translation on Russian.
> And some people from http://smalltalk.ru/ may help too, i think :)

So you could be able to form a Russian language sub-community and 
maintain content long-term?

I don't want to discourage anyone but I think every sub-community need 
to promise that. Promise to really maintain the content and really 
maintain it long-term. Otherwise is better not to start with such a 
project, IMO.

Janko
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Igor Stasenko | 26 May 13:35

Re: Re: [Webteam] Our website in other languages too?

2008/5/26 Janko Mivšek <janko.mivsek <at> eranova.si>:
> Hi Igor,
>
> Igor Stasenko wrote:
>
>> +1
>>
>> I can help with translation on Russian.
>> And some people from http://smalltalk.ru/ may help too, i think :)
>
> So you could be able to form a Russian language sub-community and maintain
> content long-term?
>
> I don't want to discourage anyone but I think every sub-community need to
> promise that. Promise to really maintain the content and really maintain it
> long-term. Otherwise is better not to start with such a project, IMO.
>

Good, i could leave a note on their site, lets see if people willing to help.

> Janko
>
>
>

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Giuseppe Luigi Punzi
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Re: Our website in other languages too? (and forums?)


I can help with spanish translation.

I would like to propose 2 ideas.

1.- A web-forum. Something like PhpBB or SMF, parallel to maillist. With this, is easier and pretty to
follow some thread. Follow threads not readed after some time, etc. 

Sometimes, I don't have time to read the list, but I mark the mails readed because is a little crazy to follow
other mails. With forums, you can view "posts since your last visit" easy and comfortable. Create topics
in bold, italic, hyperlinks, images, etc... You can search easy a topic, and is url friendly......

With this, is possible to have subforums connected with squead-dev or others maillists too for example,
and easier to read out of home or work, without having lots of unread mails on inbox. 

Is very easy to create a new subforum for new projects, or communities, and forums could be tracked via RSS
and mail too.

2.- It doesn't exists an official maillist "support" like squeak-es for spanish community. We are only a
few now, but we are growing every day :D

I can't understand why this 2 ideas doesn't exists yet. 

Only my 2 cents.

On Mon, 26 May 2008 11:09:20 +0200
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> Dear all,
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Keith Hodges
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26 May 12:22





Re: Our website in other languages too? (and forums?)


Giuseppe Luigi Punzi wrote:
> I can help with spanish translation.
>
> I would like to propose 2 ideas.
>
> 1.- A web-forum. Something like PhpBB or SMF, parallel to maillist. With this, is easier and pretty to
follow some thread. Follow threads not readed after some time, etc. 
>
> Sometimes, I don't have time to read the list, but I mark the mails readed because is a little crazy to follow
other mails. With forums, you can view "posts since your last visit" easy and comfortable. Create topics
in bold, italic, hyperlinks, images, etc... You can search easy a topic, and is url friendly......
>
> With this, is possible to have subforums connected with squead-dev or others maillists too for example,
and easier to read out of home or work, without having lots of unread mails on inbox. 
>
> Is very easy to create a new subforum for new projects, or communities, and forums could be tracked via RSS
and mail too.
>
> 2.- It doesn't exists an official maillist "support" like squeak-es for spanish community. We are only a
few now, but we are growing every day :D
>
> I can't understand why this 2 ideas doesn't exists yet. 
>
> Only my 2 cents.
>
>   
I dont like web fora, they are harder to use than mailing lists and they 
collect lots of out of date information.

We have wiki's to provide all of the features that you mention, and in a 

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Giuseppe Luigi Punzi
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26 May 12:27





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But Out of date posts could be moved to an Archive forum or something like this with a script.

I don't think is harder. New Post and Reply Post is the important things, and all the information could be
ordered and categorized.

And, as I said, A forum could be connected to the maillist, and use the 2 options for the same purposses.

On Mon, 26 May 2008 11:22:25 +0100
Keith Hodges <keith_hodges <at> yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

> Giuseppe Luigi Punzi wrote:
> > I can help with spanish translation.
> >
> > I would like to propose 2 ideas.
> >
> > 1.- A web-forum. Something like PhpBB or SMF, parallel to maillist. With this, is easier and pretty to
follow some thread. Follow threads not readed after some time, etc. 
> >
> > Sometimes, I don't have time to read the list, but I mark the mails readed because is a little crazy to
follow other mails. With forums, you can view "posts since your last visit" easy and comfortable. Create
topics in bold, italic, hyperlinks, images, etc... You can search easy a topic, and is url friendly......
> >
> > With this, is possible to have subforums connected with squead-dev or others maillists too for example,
and easier to read out of home or work, without having lots of unread mails on inbox. 
> >
> > Is very easy to create a new subforum for new projects, or communities, and forums could be tracked via RSS
and mail too.
> >
> > 2.- It doesn't exists an official maillist "support" like squeak-es for spanish community. We are only a
few now, but we are growing every day :D

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Igor Stasenko
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26 May 12:40





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2008/5/26 Giuseppe Luigi Punzi <glpunzi <at> lordzealon.com>:
> But Out of date posts could be moved to an Archive forum or something like this with a script.
>
> I don't think is harder. New Post and Reply Post is the important things, and all the information could be
ordered and categorized.
>
> And, as I said, A forum could be connected to the maillist, and use the 2 options for the same purposses.
>

If you have enough time to add a forum to web site, then join web-team
and help them with that ;)

> On Mon, 26 May 2008 11:22:25 +0100
> Keith Hodges <keith_hodges <at> yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> Giuseppe Luigi Punzi wrote:
>> > I can help with spanish translation.
>> >
>> > I would like to propose 2 ideas.
>> >
>> > 1.- A web-forum. Something like PhpBB or SMF, parallel to maillist. With this, is easier and pretty to
follow some thread. Follow threads not readed after some time, etc.
>> >
>> > Sometimes, I don't have time to read the list, but I mark the mails readed because is a little crazy to
follow other mails. With forums, you can view "posts since your last visit" easy and comfortable. Create
topics in bold, italic, hyperlinks, images, etc... You can search easy a topic, and is url friendly......
>> >
>> > With this, is possible to have subforums connected with squead-dev or others maillists too for
example, and easier to read out of home or work, without having lots of unread mails on inbox.
>> >

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Janko Mivšek
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Hi Giuseppe,

Giuseppe Luigi Punzi wrote:
> I can help with spanish translation.
> 
> I would like to propose 2 ideas.
> 
> 1.- A web-forum. Something like PhpBB or SMF, parallel to maillist. With this, is easier and pretty to
follow some thread. Follow threads not readed after some time, etc. 

It could be that someone is more fan of forums like PhPBB while others 
are more used of pure mailing lists. With a right mail client you can 
organize your mails quite close to the forum like. Also in terms of 
priority I think the multilingual website is more important right now.

> Sometimes, I don't have time to read the list, but I mark the mails readed because is a little crazy to follow
other mails. With forums, you can view "posts since your last visit" easy and comfortable. Create topics
in bold, italic, hyperlinks, images, etc... You can search easy a topic, and is url friendly......
> 
> With this, is possible to have subforums connected with squead-dev or others maillists too for example,
and easier to read out of home or work, without having lots of unread mails on inbox. 
> 
> Is very easy to create a new subforum for new projects, or communities, and forums could be tracked via RSS
and mail too.
> 
> 2.- It doesn't exists an official maillist "support" like squeak-es for spanish community. We are only a
few now, but we are growing every day :D

But you have quite active Squeak in Spanish mailing list: 
http://www.nabble.com/Squeak-in-Spanish-f14188.html ?

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Edgar J. De Cleene
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El 5/26/08 7:38 AM, "Janko Mivšek" <janko.mivsek <at> eranova.si> escribió:

> But you have quite active Squeak in Spanish mailing list:
> http://www.nabble.com/Squeak-in-Spanish-f14188.html ?

That was SqueakRos, a "coffe" group intended for beginners.
Rules don't exist.
People of whole world are welcomed, some of us understand English.
Any could talk about many subjects like soccer, movies, girls, etc .
Off course Squeak is the most talked, but is not a equivalent of our list.

We also have this 

http://ar.groups.yahoo.com/group/squeakRos/ (Group)
http://wiki.gnulinex.org/squeakros (Swiki in Spain)
http://ar.geocities.com/edgardec2001/Welcome.html (Beginners tutorials ,
most in Spanish)
 ftp://elpelotero:elpelotero <at> n.n.n.n/
  (on approximate 09:00 to 20:00 GMT, dig and take what you like, at your
own risk)
http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/pipermail/squeak-dev/2006-November/111602.
html

Ip could change so email private and I send back the actual IP

Many others groups exist.

Edgar


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Janko Mivšek
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Hi Giuseppe,

Giuseppe Luigi Punzi wrote:
> I can help with spanish translation.

Super! Now you just need to find some others so that you'll fond a 
language sub-community and then be able to commit to maintain the 
content long-term.

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On Mon, 26 May 2008 12:43:10 +0200
Janko Mivšek <janko.mivsek <at> eranova.si> wrote:

> Hi Giuseppe,
> 
> Giuseppe Luigi Punzi wrote:
> > I can help with spanish translation.
> 
> Super! Now you just need to find some others so that you'll fond a 
> language sub-community and then be able to commit to maintain the 
> content long-term.
> 
> Best regards
> Janko
> 

But, where to make the changes, and from where to start?

I hope thath I can count with the help of Edgar, Diego, Germán, Esteban and so on :)

Hello? HELLO?! Somebody there? :D

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