Stjepan Rajko | 21 Nov 17:38

tweaking the review process (was: signals2 review results)

On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 11:40 PM, vicente.botet
<vicente.botet <at> wanadoo.fr> wrote:
>
> I would like to make some suggestion to improve the review management:
>

Thank you for starting this discussion.

> * I had notice only at the end of the the review that the review tokes place on two mailing lists (devel ans
user). Maybe this is usaual on Boost reviews but I was not aware. It will be more transaparent if all the
reviews were posted to the same mailing list, maybe a specific one should be created.

Yes, this is a bit of an issue.  I mentioned that both lists are used
in my post that opened the review (in my notes to first-time
reviewers) to try to give people a heads-up (but... I often get
long-winded and I'm sure it's easy to miss parts of my posts :-)).

Having a dedicated, or at least recommended mailing list (either dev
or user) might be a good thing.  The only problem I see regarding a
completely separate mailing list is that it requires active effort to
sign-up for and follow.  I think that for many people (even those that
are genuinely interested in the library), the fact that the review is
happening at time X-Y very easily slips off the radar.  Having the
e-mails constantly appear in the common lists also serves to remind
everyone of the ongoing review, and I suspect it leads to many
valuable impromptu comments and even full reviews from people that
perhaps weren't originally planning on participating in the review,
but end up following the review because it happens on the list (I
recall being in this situation myself several times).

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David Abrahams | 16 Dec 01:44
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on Fri Nov 21 2008, "Stjepan Rajko" <stjepan.rajko-AT-gmail.com> wrote:

> On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 11:40 PM, vicente.botet
> <vicente.botet <at> wanadoo.fr> wrote:
>>
>> I would like to make some suggestion to improve the review management:
>>
>
> Thank you for starting this discussion.
>
>> * I had notice only at the end of the the review that the review tokes place on two
> mailing lists (devel ans user). Maybe this is usaual on Boost reviews but I was not
> aware. It will be more transaparent if all the reviews were posted to the same mailing
> list, maybe a specific one should be created.
>
> Yes, this is a bit of an issue.  I mentioned that both lists are used
> in my post that opened the review (in my notes to first-time
> reviewers) to try to give people a heads-up (but... I often get
> long-winded and I'm sure it's easy to miss parts of my posts :-)).
>
> Having a dedicated, or at least recommended mailing list (either dev
> or user) might be a good thing.

It has always been the -devel list, at least up until recently.  How
reviews began being posted to -users, I do not know.

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John Phillips | 16 Dec 04:52

Re: [Boost-users] tweaking the review process

David Abrahams wrote:
> on Fri Nov 21 2008, "Stjepan Rajko" <stjepan.rajko-AT-gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 11:40 PM, vicente.botet
>> <vicente.botet <at> wanadoo.fr> wrote:
>>> I would like to make some suggestion to improve the review management:
>>>
>> Thank you for starting this discussion.
>>
>>> * I had notice only at the end of the the review that the review tokes place on two
>> mailing lists (devel ans user). Maybe this is usaual on Boost reviews but I was not
>> aware. It will be more transaparent if all the reviews were posted to the same mailing
>> list, maybe a specific one should be created.
>>
>> Yes, this is a bit of an issue.  I mentioned that both lists are used
>> in my post that opened the review (in my notes to first-time
>> reviewers) to try to give people a heads-up (but... I often get
>> long-winded and I'm sure it's easy to miss parts of my posts :-)).
>>
>> Having a dedicated, or at least recommended mailing list (either dev
>> or user) might be a good thing.
> 
> It has always been the -devel list, at least up until recently.  How
> reviews began being posted to -users, I do not know.
> 

   I don't know if I was the first to do this, but I have done it. 
Looking at the current contents of the instructions to review managers, 
either they have changed since I started managing reviews or I somehow 
hallucinated extra words to add the user list to the lists that should 
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David Abrahams | 16 Dec 22:18
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on Mon Dec 15 2008, John Phillips <phillips-AT-mps.ohio-state.edu> wrote:

> David Abrahams wrote:
>> on Fri Nov 21 2008, "Stjepan Rajko" <stjepan.rajko-AT-gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 11:40 PM, vicente.botet
>>> <vicente.botet <at> wanadoo.fr> wrote:
>>>> I would like to make some suggestion to improve the review management:
>>>>
>>> Thank you for starting this discussion.
>>>
>>>> * I had notice only at the end of the the review that the review tokes place on
> two
>>> mailing lists (devel ans user). Maybe this is usaual on Boost reviews but I was not
>>> aware. It will be more transaparent if all the reviews were posted to the same
> mailing
>>> list, maybe a specific one should be created.
>>>
>>> Yes, this is a bit of an issue.  I mentioned that both lists are used
>>> in my post that opened the review (in my notes to first-time
>>> reviewers) to try to give people a heads-up (but... I often get
>>> long-winded and I'm sure it's easy to miss parts of my posts :-)).
>>>
>>> Having a dedicated, or at least recommended mailing list (either dev
>>> or user) might be a good thing.
>>
>> It has always been the -devel list, at least up until recently.  How
>> reviews began being posted to -users, I do not know.
>>
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Fabio Fracassi | 17 Dec 18:19

Re: [Boost-users] tweaking the review process

David Abrahams schrieb:
> on Mon Dec 15 2008, John Phillips <phillips-AT-mps.ohio-state.edu> wrote:
[...]
>>   I don't know if I was the first to do this, but I have done it. Looking at the
>> current contents of the instructions to review managers, either they have changed
>> since I started managing reviews or I somehow hallucinated extra words to add the user
>> list to the lists that should receive an announcement of the review.
> 
> An announcement is one thing; instructing people to post their reviews
> in the same list is a different thing entirely.
> 

You don't have to, it happens almost automatically if you are not careful.
Many people write their Review as a reply to the original announcement, 
and if you are not extra careful to remove the user list from the 
recipients your review gets send to both lists. (At least thats what 
Thunderbird does when one reads the list through the news gateway, even 
if an reply to address is set, and you reply to the post from the devel 
list)

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Fabio

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David Abrahams | 19 Dec 01:46
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on Wed Dec 17 2008, Fabio Fracassi <f.fracassi-AT-gmx.net> wrote:

> David Abrahams schrieb:
>> on Mon Dec 15 2008, John Phillips <phillips-AT-mps.ohio-state.edu> wrote:
> [...]
>>>   I don't know if I was the first to do this, but I have done it. Looking at the
>>> current contents of the instructions to review managers, either they have changed
>>> since I started managing reviews or I somehow hallucinated extra words to add the
> user
>>> list to the lists that should receive an announcement of the review.
>>
>> An announcement is one thing; instructing people to post their reviews
>> in the same list is a different thing entirely.
>>
>
> You don't have to, it happens almost automatically if you are not
> careful.  Many people write their Review as a reply to the original
> announcement, and if you are not extra careful to remove the user list
> from the recipients your review gets send to both lists.

The poster of the announcement should make it clear how to post a
review.  I never liked the idea of reviews showing up in the list with
the subject "Review period for Boost.XXXX begins today" anyway.  Also
s/he can set the Reply-To: field.

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Fabio Fracassi | 19 Dec 12:42

Re: [Boost-users] tweaking the review process

David Abrahams schrieb:
> on Wed Dec 17 2008, Fabio Fracassi <f.fracassi-AT-gmx.net> wrote:
> 
>> David Abrahams schrieb:
>>> on Mon Dec 15 2008, John Phillips <phillips-AT-mps.ohio-state.edu> wrote:
>> [...]
>>>>   I don't know if I was the first to do this, but I have done it. Looking at the
>>>> current contents of the instructions to review managers, either they have changed
>>>> since I started managing reviews or I somehow hallucinated extra words to add the
>> user
>>>> list to the lists that should receive an announcement of the review.
>>> An announcement is one thing; instructing people to post their reviews
>>> in the same list is a different thing entirely.
>>>
>> You don't have to, it happens almost automatically if you are not
>> careful.  Many people write their Review as a reply to the original
>> announcement, and if you are not extra careful to remove the user list
>> from the recipients your review gets send to both lists.
> 
> The poster of the announcement should make it clear how to post a
> review.  I never liked the idea of reviews showing up in the list with
> the subject "Review period for Boost.XXXX begins today" anyway.  Also
> s/he can set the Reply-To: field.
> 

When using thunderbird as a client to the gmane news gateway the Reply 
to fields don't seem to work though.
I don't know if there is a technical solution to this particular problem.

Beside this I agree with you, if the original anouncement clearly states 
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David Abrahams | 20 Dec 08:46
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on Fri Dec 19 2008, Fabio Fracassi <f.fracassi-AT-gmx.net> wrote:

> David Abrahams schrieb:
>> on Wed Dec 17 2008, Fabio Fracassi <f.fracassi-AT-gmx.net> wrote:
>>
>>> David Abrahams schrieb:
>>>> on Mon Dec 15 2008, John Phillips <phillips-AT-mps.ohio-state.edu> wrote:
>>> [...]
>>>>>   I don't know if I was the first to do this, but I have done it. Looking at the
>>>>> current contents of the instructions to review managers, either they have changed
>>>>> since I started managing reviews or I somehow hallucinated extra words to add the
>>> user
>>>>> list to the lists that should receive an announcement of the review.
>>>> An announcement is one thing; instructing people to post their reviews
>>>> in the same list is a different thing entirely.
>>>>
>>> You don't have to, it happens almost automatically if you are not
>>> careful.  Many people write their Review as a reply to the original
>>> announcement, and if you are not extra careful to remove the user list
>>> from the recipients your review gets send to both lists.
>>
>> The poster of the announcement should make it clear how to post a
>> review.  I never liked the idea of reviews showing up in the list with
>> the subject "Review period for Boost.XXXX begins today" anyway.  Also
>> s/he can set the Reply-To: field.
>>
>
> When using thunderbird as a client to the gmane news gateway the Reply to fields don't
> seem to work though.
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