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Steve Traugott | 16 Mar 2007 02:24

#infrastructures irc channel

Hi Folks,

I've started an #infrastructures channel on irc.infrastructures.org.
You should find me hanging out there from 1900-0700 UTC most days.
Nothing fancy yet, no logging, no chanserv, no info bot.  (If someone
gets a chance to set up a logger that dumps its output to someplace
Google will crawl, that would be great.)

I've found that there just isn't any other decent place to bounce
ideas off of people if you're in the middle of a project and need a
second opinion on something before you write the next line of code --
#lopsa is closest, but lacks the mindset we share on this list.

I've also found myself having more discussions with people by Jabber,
IM or IRC lately anyway, rather than mail.  (I won't say what this
says about the future of e-mail, but I hope signed messages or DKIM
become the norm sooner rather than later.)

Hope to see you there,

Steve
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Daniel Clark | 16 Mar 2007 22:46
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Re: #infrastructures irc channel

On 3/15/07, Steve Traugott <stevegt <at> terraluna.org> wrote:
> Hi Folks,
>
> I've started an #infrastructures channel on irc.infrastructures.org.
> You should find me hanging out there from 1900-0700 UTC most days.
> Nothing fancy yet, no logging, no chanserv, no info bot.  (If someone
> gets a chance to set up a logger that dumps its output to someplace
> Google will crawl, that would be great.)

For #bcfg2 we use IrcLogger2 [1], which deals with the privacy issue
by not being searchable by robots (it has its own search engine), and
not logging any messages prefixed by "[off]". To get your channel
included, you just contact the author.

> I've found that there just isn't any other decent place to bounce
> ideas off of people if you're in the middle of a project and need a
> second opinion on something before you write the next line of code --
> #lopsa is closest, but lacks the mindset we share on this list.

Both #puppet and #bcfg2 [2] would probably be decent places to bounce
ideas off of people.

[1] IRC Logger 2
http://colabti.de/IrcLogger2.html

[2] #bcfg2 IRC Channel Info/Search
http://bcfg2.org/wiki/IRCChannel

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Devdas Bhagat | 16 Mar 2007 08:02

Re: #infrastructures irc channel

On 15/03/07 18:24 -0700, Steve Traugott wrote:
> Hi Folks,
> 
> I've started an #infrastructures channel on irc.infrastructures.org.

Any reason not to have it on Freenode instead of openirc?

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Steve Traugott | 20 Mar 2007 21:29

Re: #infrastructures irc channel

On Fri, Mar 16, 2007 at 12:32:25PM +0530, Devdas Bhagat wrote:
> On 15/03/07 18:24 -0700, Steve Traugott wrote:
> > Hi Folks,
> > 
> > I've started an #infrastructures channel on irc.infrastructures.org.
> 
> Any reason not to have it on Freenode instead of openirc?

I pointed irc.infrastructures.org at irc.openirc.net, at least for
now, because there is overlap between the people who run openirc and
the people who run LISA, LOPSA, #lopsa, et al.  Seemed like a better
community fit, probably fewer bots and miscreants as well.

Either a few people misread this thread, or there was already an
#infrastructures channel on freenode, because there are a few people
hanging out in #infrastructures on freenode right now; none of them
are answering pings though...

Steve
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Steve Traugott | 16 Mar 2007 07:36

Re: #infrastructures irc channel

Hang on before setting up any web-accessible logging, everyone --
someone just now pointed out to me that there might be good reasons
for not bothering with it, privacy of course, noise ratio of course,
freedom of expression and so on.  The counter-proposal was
something like "log it for yourself; read up on old things you
missed, and if you find something really juicy, discuss it in a
blog entry or mail message".  Enough to tip me barely over the
line, at any rate.   

Thoughts?

Steve

On Thu, Mar 15, 2007 at 06:24:57PM -0700, Steve Traugott wrote:
> Hi Folks,
> 
> I've started an #infrastructures channel on irc.infrastructures.org.
> You should find me hanging out there from 1900-0700 UTC most days.
> Nothing fancy yet, no logging, no chanserv, no info bot.  (If someone
> gets a chance to set up a logger that dumps its output to someplace
> Google will crawl, that would be great.)
> 
> I've found that there just isn't any other decent place to bounce
> ideas off of people if you're in the middle of a project and need a
> second opinion on something before you write the next line of code --
> #lopsa is closest, but lacks the mindset we share on this list.
> 
> I've also found myself having more discussions with people by Jabber,
> IM or IRC lately anyway, rather than mail.  (I won't say what this
> says about the future of e-mail, but I hope signed messages or DKIM
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Andrew Cowie | 21 Mar 2007 06:42
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Re: Re: #infrastructures irc channel

On Thu, 2007-03-15 at 23:36 -0700, Steve Traugott wrote:

> something like "log it for yourself; read up on old things you
> missed, and if you find something really juicy, discuss it in a
> blog entry or mail message".

I'd recommend that.

In channels [ == communities] that I run, I do happen to have a bot
which, as it happens, does indeed log - but not publicly - it's just
there so I can catch up with newcomers who turn up while I'm asleep.

AfC
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Devdas Bhagat | 16 Mar 2007 10:27

Re: Re: #infrastructures irc channel

On 15/03/07 23:36 -0700, Steve Traugott wrote:
> Hang on before setting up any web-accessible logging, everyone --
> someone just now pointed out to me that there might be good reasons
> for not bothering with it, privacy of course, noise ratio of course,

The important thing here would be to let people know that the channel
talk is being publicly archived. 

If you don't want to do this, and you want to make the contents of a 
discussion public, asking the people involved in that discussion for
permission to publish would be polite.

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Florian Heigl | 16 Mar 2007 13:32
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2007/3/16, Devdas Bhagat <devdas <at> dvb.homelinux.org>:
> On 15/03/07 23:36 -0700, Steve Traugott wrote:
> > Hang on before setting up any web-accessible logging, everyone --
> > someone just now pointed out to me that there might be good reasons
> > for not bothering with it, privacy of course, noise ratio of course,
>
> The important thing here would be to let people know that the channel
> talk is being publicly archived.
>
> If you don't want to do this, and you want to make the contents of a
> discussion public, asking the people involved in that discussion for
> permission to publish would be polite.

I really second this, not generating channel logs takes away much of
an advantage for i.e. someone who reads about the irc channel in a
year. he'd be able to read up on issues already discussed, while
otherwise it'd be lost.
also an irc channel is an open medium, anyone could go in an log
traffic including sensitive data without the rest knowing so I'd
suggest to deal sensitive information either masked or in a query. :)

Please let the 'read-only-subscribers' like me have some logs ;)

Florian

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