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Nico Kadel-Garcia | 11 Jun 2011 18:20
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New mon admin, some questions

Hi! i've been handed some mon server migration and maintenance tasks
in a new workplace, and I'm glad to find a mailing list for it. It
does seem quiet out here,.

Is there a central code base now for updates? The Wiki and codebase at
https://mon.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Main_Page/ seems to have last
been updated in 2007. I do see some published patches, mostly from
Nathan....

I'm also running into issues with daemontools integration rather than
the normal init scripts published by my supported Linux distribution
(which I've been trying to integrate per a local demand), and would
happily publish notes for it.

I'm also running into issues with "monshow" output clipping the names
of services and groups automatically to align the columns, which makes
descriptive service names kind of tough to use. Has anyone published a
tweak to "monshow" to create more verbose output?
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Jim Trocki | 12 Jun 2011 02:28
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Re: New mon admin, some questions

On Sat, 11 Jun 2011, Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote:

> Is there a central code base now for updates? The Wiki and codebase at
> https://mon.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Main_Page/ seems to have last
> been updated in 2007. I do see some published patches, mostly from
> Nathan....

the most recent code is available from cvs.

http://sourceforge.net/scm/?type=cvs&group_id=170

this includes mon, the client lib, and the contrib repository, all of
which are maintained and have recent additions.

you can browse it here:

http://mon.cvs.sourceforge.net/mon/

nathan's enhancements, which are appreciated, are maintained by him on
his own web pages.

> I'm also running into issues with daemontools integration rather than
> the normal init scripts published by my supported Linux distribution
> (which I've been trying to integrate per a local demand), and would
> happily publish notes for it.

sure, whatever you have that may be helpful to others is welcome. post
it to the mailing list, and we'll incorporate it into cvs.

> I'm also running into issues with "monshow" output clipping the names
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Nico Kadel-Garcia | 12 Jun 2011 03:15
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Re: New mon admin, some questions

On Sat, Jun 11, 2011 at 8:28 PM, Jim Trocki <trockij <at> gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 11 Jun 2011, Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote:
>
>> Is there a central code base now for updates? The Wiki and codebase at
>> https://mon.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Main_Page/ seems to have last
>> been updated in 2007. I do see some published patches, mostly from
>> Nathan....
>
> the most recent code is available from cvs.
>
> http://sourceforge.net/scm/?type=cvs&group_id=170

Thanks!!!! Given that the published tarball is from 2007, perhaps it's
time then to collect some patches and do a minor update release? And
what are the chances of getting that shifted over to Sourceforge's
supported "git" access, to allow people like me to do local patchind
and tweaks and branching and submit the changes when we're ready?

I've helped migrate CVS or Subversion projects on Sourceforge to the
git access before. It's quite easy, and works well. It also helps
encourage minor upgrades to be submitted.

>> I'm also running into issues with daemontools integration rather than
>> the normal init scripts published by my supported Linux distribution
>> (which I've been trying to integrate per a local demand), and would
>> happily publish notes for it.
>
> sure, whatever you have that may be helpful to others is welcome. post
> it to the mailing list, and we'll incorporate it into cvs.
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Mahlon E. Smith | 13 Jun 2011 19:27
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Re: New mon admin, some questions

On Sat, Jun 11, 2011, Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote:
> 
> [...] And what are the chances of getting that shifted over to
> Sourceforge's supported "git" access, to allow people like me to do
> local patchind and tweaks and branching and submit the changes when
> we're ready?

You can certainly make local changes, and create and submit patches,
without requiring a seachange in VCS backend, no?

> I'm also running into issues with daemontools integration [...]

I run Mon under daemontools as well (very, very happily!)  Let me know
what issues you're running into -- I'm happy to share my run file or
whatever you need to get it goin'.

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Nico Kadel-Garcia | 14 Jun 2011 03:14
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Re: New mon admin, some questions

On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 1:27 PM, Mahlon E. Smith <mahlon <at> martini.nu> wrote:
> On Sat, Jun 11, 2011, Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote:
>>
>> [...] And what are the chances of getting that shifted over to
>> Sourceforge's supported "git" access, to allow people like me to do
>> local patchind and tweaks and branching and submit the changes when
>> we're ready?
>
> You can certainly make local changes, and create and submit patches,
> without requiring a seachange in VCS backend, no?

Yes, but you can't make local branches and record your changes. That's
a very useful feature for rebundling of any kind. Personally, I have
*had it* with CVS, and consider Subversion a placeholder until someone
can progress enough to use git.

>> I'm also running into issues with daemontools integration [...]
>
> I run Mon under daemontools as well (very, very happily!)  Let me know
> what issues you're running into -- I'm happy to share my run file or
> whatever you need to get it goin'.

I used the built-in daemontools-run package from Squeeze, along with
the mon present there. The init script uses "svc" to enable and
disable the script. When I attempted to update other utilities, such
as postfix, the installers complained about the init script and I had
to revert to the standard mon package provided one to allow the update
of postfix to proceed.

Are you using the "update-services" tool? And using the daemontool-run
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Mahlon E. Smith | 14 Jun 2011 21:50
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Re: New mon admin, some questions

On Mon, Jun 13, 2011, Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote:
> >
> > You can certainly make local changes, and create and submit patches,
> > without requiring a seachange in VCS backend, no?
> 
> Yes, but you can't make local branches and record your changes. That's
> a very useful feature for rebundling of any kind. Personally, I have
> *had it* with CVS, and consider Subversion a placeholder until someone
> can progress enough to use git.

Hi Nico!

Tools like Quilt or Mercurial's "mq" make it pretty easy to keep local
branches and record changes against an arbitrary source tree, and send
back a single cohesive patch to a maintainer, regardless of their choice
in VCS.  I'm personally with ya, a good DVCS outshines subversion
handily (and I won't mention CVS), but I won't begrudge someone else
their established toolset -- if they accept patches, I certainly don't
have to use it. ;)

> I used the built-in daemontools-run package from Squeeze, along with
> the mon present there. The init script uses "svc" to enable and
> disable the script. When I attempted to update other utilities, such
> as postfix, the installers complained about the init script and I had
> to revert to the standard mon package provided one to allow the update
> of postfix to proceed.

Aww, okay.  Sounds like packaging problems rather than
"mon-under-supervise" issues.  Yick.
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Jim Trocki | 14 Jun 2011 01:26
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Re: New mon admin, some questions

On Sat, 11 Jun 2011, Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote:

> Thanks!!!! Given that the published tarball is from 2007, perhaps it's
> time then to collect some patches and do a minor update release?

yes.

> And what are the chances of getting that shifted over to Sourceforge's
> supported "git" access, to allow people like me to do local patchind and
> tweaks and branching and submit the changes when we're ready?

> I've helped migrate CVS or Subversion projects on Sourceforge to the
> git access before. It's quite easy, and works well. It also helps
> encourage minor upgrades to be submitted.

until now there's been no demand for it. i'm open to it, however, as a
good excuse to learn git.
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Nathan Gibbs | 14 Jun 2011 03:34

Re: New mon admin, some questions

On 6/11/2011 8:28 PM, Jim Trocki wrote:
> On Sat, 11 Jun 2011, Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote:
> 
>> Is there a central code base now for updates? The Wiki and codebase at
>> https://mon.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Main_Page/ seems to have last
>> been updated in 2007. I do see some published patches, mostly from
>> Nathan....
> 
> the most recent code is available from cvs.
> 
> http://sourceforge.net/scm/?type=cvs&group_id=170
> 
> this includes mon, the client lib, and the contrib repository, all of
> which are maintained and have recent additions.
> 
> you can browse it here:
> 
> http://mon.cvs.sourceforge.net/mon/
> 
> nathan's enhancements, which are appreciated, are maintained by him on
> his own web pages.
> 

You are more than welcome to pull them into upstream, if they are good
enough.
That's what open source is all about, giving back.

Speaking of which, I owe Noel Butler a big apology. I failure to give
attribution on the last mon.cgi release.
His advice was indispensable in getting that release done quickly, and
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