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Jan Snyder | 10 Aug 19:40

Vimbox

It would be interesting to see a full vim desktop environment. Maybe
like a combo of vim and fluxbox or gnome. Fluxbox would definitely be
more interesting with a vim command line. I've been using vim to do
webdesign so vimperator is very cool.
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Martin Stubenschrott | 10 Aug 19:58

Re: Vimbox

Jan Snyder wrote:

> It would be interesting to see a full vim desktop environment. Maybe
> like a combo of vim and fluxbox or gnome. Fluxbox would definitely be
> more interesting with a vim command line. I've been using vim to do
> webdesign so vimperator is very cool.

Well, most vimperator users use tiling window managers, which make much
more sense than using Fluxbox or the like.

Most popular are:
* awesome
* wmii
* dwm
some users also still use ion3 afaik.

All of the above alread feature vim-like keybindings out of the box, so
try any of these.

And also make sure to check-out muttator.mozdev.org, which is just like
Vimperator but for handling mail and rss.

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"Viola =?iso | 10 Aug 20:18

Re: Vimbox

I use SithWM. This is a very-very simple and minimal Window Manager. Not tiling, but only 29 kilobyte! I use it with Xbindkeys, and very cool and geek! Try it! Homepage: http://sithwm.darkside.no/sithwm.html


Zoli

2008/8/10 Martin Stubenschrott <stubenschrott-hi6Y0CQ0nG0@public.gmane.org>
Jan Snyder wrote:

> It would be interesting to see a full vim desktop environment. Maybe
> like a combo of vim and fluxbox or gnome. Fluxbox would definitely be
> more interesting with a vim command line. I've been using vim to do
> webdesign so vimperator is very cool.

Well, most vimperator users use tiling window managers, which make much
more sense than using Fluxbox or the like.

Most popular are:
* awesome
* wmii
* dwm
some users also still use ion3 afaik.

All of the above alread feature vim-like keybindings out of the box, so
try any of these.

And also make sure to check-out muttator.mozdev.org, which is just like
Vimperator but for handling mail and rss.

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<div><div dir="ltr">I use SithWM. This is a very-very simple and minimal Window Manager. Not tiling, but only 29 kilobyte! I use it with Xbindkeys, and very cool and geek! Try it! Homepage: <a href="http://sithwm.darkside.no/sithwm.html">http://sithwm.darkside.no/sithwm.html</a><br><br><br>Zoli<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2008/8/10 Martin Stubenschrott <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:stubenschrott@...">stubenschrott@...</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote">
<div class="Ih2E3d">Jan Snyder wrote:<br><br>
&gt; It would be interesting to see a full vim desktop environment. Maybe<br>
&gt; like a combo of vim and fluxbox or gnome. Fluxbox would definitely be<br>
&gt; more interesting with a vim command line. I've been using vim to do<br>
&gt; webdesign so vimperator is very cool.<br><br>
</div>Well, most vimperator users use tiling window managers, which make much<br>
more sense than using Fluxbox or the like.<br><br>
Most popular are:<br>
* awesome<br>
* wmii<br>
* dwm<br>
some users also still use ion3 afaik.<br><br>
All of the above alread feature vim-like keybindings out of the box, so<br>
try any of these.<br><br>
And also make sure to check-out <a href="http://muttator.mozdev.org" target="_blank">muttator.mozdev.org</a>, which is just like<br>
Vimperator but for handling mail and rss.<br><br>
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Konstantin | 10 Aug 23:23
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Re: Vimbox

I'm using awesome, and participate in it's development.
Awesome 3.0RC2 is already out, so you can try it now.

The main feature of the Awesome 3 is possibility to configure
it with Lua scripting.

Actually I have small prototype of vimwm.lua module for Awesome3,
but it's a secret :) Not sure if I'll be able to finish it,
as I need time to develop Awesome itself, not to tell
I have some ideas for Vimperator... + my main work I'm paid for.

Anyway, I'll try to make some kind of VimWM out of Awesome3.
Can't promise although...

Martin Stubenschrott wrote:
> Jan Snyder wrote:
> 
>> It would be interesting to see a full vim desktop environment. Maybe
>> like a combo of vim and fluxbox or gnome. Fluxbox would definitely be
>> more interesting with a vim command line. I've been using vim to do
>> webdesign so vimperator is very cool.
> 
> Well, most vimperator users use tiling window managers, which make much
> more sense than using Fluxbox or the like.
> 
> Most popular are:
> * awesome
> * wmii
> * dwm
> some users also still use ion3 afaik.
> 
> All of the above alread feature vim-like keybindings out of the box, so
> try any of these.
> 
> And also make sure to check-out muttator.mozdev.org, which is just like
> Vimperator but for handling mail and rss.
> 
> --
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Martin Stubenschrott | 10 Aug 23:38

Re: Vimbox

Konstantin wrote:

> I'm using awesome, and participate in it's development.

Yeah, I know :) Amazing, to how many cool projects you contribute :)

> Awesome 3.0RC2 is already out, so you can try it now.

I use the git version and update every few days, although keeping up
with config changes is quite boring.

> Actually I have small prototype of vimwm.lua module for Awesome3,
> but it's a secret :) Not sure if I'll be able to finish it,
> as I need time to develop Awesome itself, not to tell
> I have some ideas for Vimperator... + my main work I'm paid for.

Cool @vimp ideas :) (actually i am really excited what plans you have
for it but well, i understand if you don't want to share too much
without having any code).

What paid work do you actually have? Since i started a fulltime paid job
6 weeks ago, it's so hard for me to find time for vimperator so I am
still wondering how you manage to do all that open source work in your
freetime :)

> Anyway, I'll try to make some kind of VimWM out of Awesome3.
> Can't promise although...

Wow, I am really excited about the vimwm.lua module. Although to be
honest, I would not know which WM features would really benefit from
a modal design.

Anyway, since I am on the awesome ML as well, I'll hear about it
anyway when it's in a releasable state.

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Dave Tapley | 10 Aug 23:51

Re: Vimbox

Jan

You might also be interested in http://xmonad.org/

Dave,

On 10/08/2008, Martin Stubenschrott <stubenschrott@...> wrote:
> Konstantin wrote:
>
>  > I'm using awesome, and participate in it's development.
>
>
> Yeah, I know :) Amazing, to how many cool projects you contribute :)
>
>
>  > Awesome 3.0RC2 is already out, so you can try it now.
>
>
> I use the git version and update every few days, although keeping up
>  with config changes is quite boring.
>
>
>  > Actually I have small prototype of vimwm.lua module for Awesome3,
>  > but it's a secret :) Not sure if I'll be able to finish it,
>  > as I need time to develop Awesome itself, not to tell
>  > I have some ideas for Vimperator... + my main work I'm paid for.
>
>
> Cool @vimp ideas :) (actually i am really excited what plans you have
>  for it but well, i understand if you don't want to share too much
>  without having any code).
>
>  What paid work do you actually have? Since i started a fulltime paid job
>  6 weeks ago, it's so hard for me to find time for vimperator so I am
>  still wondering how you manage to do all that open source work in your
>  freetime :)
>
>
>  > Anyway, I'll try to make some kind of VimWM out of Awesome3.
>  > Can't promise although...
>
>
> Wow, I am really excited about the vimwm.lua module. Although to be
>  honest, I would not know which WM features would really benefit from
>  a modal design.
>
>  Anyway, since I am on the awesome ML as well, I'll hear about it
>  anyway when it's in a releasable state.
>
>
>  --
>  Martin
>  _______________________________________________
>  Vimperator mailing list
>  Vimperator@...
>  https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/vimperator
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Konstantin | 11 Aug 00:54
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Re: Vimbox

Good thing, but too heavy for me: I don't want to install whole programming
language package (Haskel) just to setup window manager.

I'm not a Haskel programmer, so I don't need it installed all the time.
But it's just me :)
As not for my point the project looks really good and I wish good luck
to their developers team!

Dave Tapley wrote:
> Jan
> 
> You might also be interested in http://xmonad.org/
> 
> Dave,
> 
> On 10/08/2008, Martin Stubenschrott <stubenschrott@...> wrote:
>> Konstantin wrote:
>>
>>  > I'm using awesome, and participate in it's development.
>>
>>
>> Yeah, I know :) Amazing, to how many cool projects you contribute :)
>>
>>
>>  > Awesome 3.0RC2 is already out, so you can try it now.
>>
>>
>> I use the git version and update every few days, although keeping up
>>  with config changes is quite boring.
>>
>>
>>  > Actually I have small prototype of vimwm.lua module for Awesome3,
>>  > but it's a secret :) Not sure if I'll be able to finish it,
>>  > as I need time to develop Awesome itself, not to tell
>>  > I have some ideas for Vimperator... + my main work I'm paid for.
>>
>>
>> Cool @vimp ideas :) (actually i am really excited what plans you have
>>  for it but well, i understand if you don't want to share too much
>>  without having any code).
>>
>>  What paid work do you actually have? Since i started a fulltime paid job
>>  6 weeks ago, it's so hard for me to find time for vimperator so I am
>>  still wondering how you manage to do all that open source work in your
>>  freetime :)
>>
>>
>>  > Anyway, I'll try to make some kind of VimWM out of Awesome3.
>>  > Can't promise although...
>>
>>
>> Wow, I am really excited about the vimwm.lua module. Although to be
>>  honest, I would not know which WM features would really benefit from
>>  a modal design.
>>
>>  Anyway, since I am on the awesome ML as well, I'll hear about it
>>  anyway when it's in a releasable state.
>>
>>
>>  --
>>  Martin
>>  _______________________________________________
>>  Vimperator mailing list
>>  Vimperator@...
>>  https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/vimperator
>>
> _______________________________________________
> Vimperator mailing list
> Vimperator@...
> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/vimperator
> 

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Martin Stubenschrott | 11 Aug 09:23

Re: Vimbox

Konstantin wrote:

> Good thing, but too heavy for me: I don't want to install whole programming
> language package (Haskel) just to setup window manager.

Aeh, and what's Lua? Not a whole programming language ;)

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Christophe-Marie Duquesne | 11 Aug 10:53
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Re: Vimbox

That is really, really good to learn that. I'm hacking my .awesomerc all the time, to make awesome react like vim. Let us know if you don't have the time to finish your vimwm.lua, I'm sure a lot of people would be glad to help you...

On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 9:23 AM, Martin Stubenschrott <stubenschrott-hi6Y0CQ0nG0@public.gmane.org> wrote:
Konstantin wrote:

> Good thing, but too heavy for me: I don't want to install whole programming
> language package (Haskel) just to setup window manager.

Aeh, and what's Lua? Not a whole programming language ;)

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<div><div dir="ltr">That is really, really good to learn that. I'm hacking my .awesomerc all the time, to make awesome react like vim. Let us know if you don't have the time to finish your vimwm.lua, I'm sure a lot of people would be glad to help you...<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 9:23 AM, Martin Stubenschrott <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:stubenschrott@...">stubenschrott@...</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote">
<div class="Ih2E3d">Konstantin wrote:<br><br>
&gt; Good thing, but too heavy for me: I don't want to install whole programming<br>
&gt; language package (Haskel) just to setup window manager.<br><br>
</div>Aeh, and what's Lua? Not a whole programming language ;)<br><div>
<div></div>
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<br>
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Konstantin | 11 Aug 13:18
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Re: Vimbox

Lua is really small and, well, awesome, language.
It's indented to be small, it's embedded language.

While when I tried to install XMonad via ports,
it required a huge number of heavy Haskel packages
by depends.

I consider Lua is lesser evil :)
Besides I already have a number of hand-made modules
to it to access sysctl nodes, mixer status etc,
so creating Awesome widgets with it is really simple
for me.

Martin Stubenschrott wrote:
> Konstantin wrote:
> 
>> Good thing, but too heavy for me: I don't want to install whole programming
>> language package (Haskel) just to setup window manager.
> 
> Aeh, and what's Lua? Not a whole programming language ;)
> 
> --
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Yves Rutschle | 11 Aug 14:43

Re: Vimbox

On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 02:18:18PM +0300, Konstantin wrote:
> Lua is really small and, well, awesome, language.
> It's indented to be small, it's embedded language.

FWIW Lua is also used to configure and script ION.

Awesome looks interesting -- is there anyone here with both
ION and Awesome experience that could compare both?

Y.
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Ted Pavlic | 15 Aug 20:54
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Re: Vimbox

As discussed in this thread, there are evidently several projects that 
are aiming to do exactly this.

I don't think anyone's mentioned it, but there's Yzis:

http://www.yzis.org/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page
====
Yzis a vi-like editor inspired by vim. Yzis aims to be a powerful, fast 
editor with all of Vim's features and hopefully, at some point, more.

In Yzis, the core editing engine is placed in a library that does not 
depend on any GUI library. On top of it, GUI frontends are developed. 
The goal is to make vi-like editing capabilities available to many 
graphical applications.
====

I guess there's also a "vimpart" package that imparts Vi editing within 
KDE applications.

Now that Qt/KDE4 runs natively on OS X, these solutions not only let you 
have a Vimbox, but they let you run your Vimbox on any OS.

--Ted

Jan Snyder wrote:
> It would be interesting to see a full vim desktop environment. Maybe
> like a combo of vim and fluxbox or gnome. Fluxbox would definitely be
> more interesting with a vim command line. I've been using vim to do
> webdesign so vimperator is very cool.
> _______________________________________________
> Vimperator mailing list
> Vimperator@...
> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/vimperator
> 

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Jan Snyder | 15 Aug 21:12

Re: Vimbox

> Message: 4
> Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 14:54:13 -0400
> From: Ted Pavlic <ted@...>
> Subject: Re: [Vimperator] Vimbox
> To: vimperator <vimperator@...>
> Message-ID: <48A5D0D5.4060909@...>
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>
> As discussed in this thread, there are evidently several projects that
> are aiming to do exactly this.
>
> I don't think anyone's mentioned it, but there's Yzis:
>
> http://www.yzis.org/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page
> ====
> Yzis a vi-like editor inspired by vim. Yzis aims to be a powerful, fast
> editor with all of Vim's features and hopefully, at some point, more.
>
> In Yzis, the core editing engine is placed in a library that does not
> depend on any GUI library. On top of it, GUI frontends are developed.
> The goal is to make vi-like editing capabilities available to many
> graphical applications.
> ====
>
> I guess there's also a "vimpart" package that imparts Vi editing within
> KDE applications.
>
> Now that Qt/KDE4 runs natively on OS X, these solutions not only let you
> have a Vimbox, but they let you run your Vimbox on any OS.
>
> --Ted
>

Could be interesting that Yzis. Today I answered one of the main
reasons for this for back buffer scrollback and copy-paste in Terminal
Emulator with Gnu-Screen, which allows free backward cursor movement.
Also ratpoison is based on this so I probably give ratpoison another
shot since it does the colon commands I like.

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