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Mike Easter | 3 Feb 2011 15:11

Re: Is this now Egypt?

Andrew DeFaria wrote:

> I see a response from Jay Garcia to the "FF fails where Chrome
> succeeds" and his post was removed:

I would say 'hidden' (or expired). It is much easier to hide messages 
(change their accessibility) on a news server than 'remove' them. Gmane 
has a useful discussion about how it goes about expiring messages (with 
expiry headers) by hiding them rather than removing them.

>     newsgroup server responded:*no such article in group*

That message must have been obtained by your seeing the message header 
and then clicking on it to display it. That message's header does not 
show up in my Tbird or OE in either .general or firefox support, which 
is how it was crossposted (without f/up to .general).

>     Perhaps the article has expired

>     <fa2dnYThAcL6vdfQnZ2dnUVZ_hOdnZ2d <at> mozilla.org> (28688)

OE has much better ability to access a message by mid than does Tbird. 
And GG's ability to access a message by mid is extremely deprecated 
compared to how it was in 'the old days'. For example, I can't get that 
message from GG by using the MID; however/altho' GG has it.

I'm not going to post the GG link to the message because I don't think 
that the moderation should be 'defeated'. I accept the moderation as is. 
Jay didn't say anything in the message to be discussed anyway.

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Jay Garcia | 4 Feb 2011 02:20

Re: Is this now Egypt?

On 03.02.2011 08:11, Mike Easter wrote:

 --- Original Message ---

> Andrew DeFaria wrote:
> 
>> I see a response from Jay Garcia to the "FF fails where Chrome
>> succeeds" and his post was removed:
> 
> I would say 'hidden' (or expired). It is much easier to hide messages
> (change their accessibility) on a news server than 'remove' them. Gmane
> has a useful discussion about how it goes about expiring messages (with
> expiry headers) by hiding them rather than removing them.
> 
>>     newsgroup server responded:*no such article in group*
> 
> That message must have been obtained by your seeing the message header
> and then clicking on it to display it. That message's header does not
> show up in my Tbird or OE in either .general or firefox support, which
> is how it was crossposted (without f/up to .general).
> 
>>     Perhaps the article has expired
> 
>>     <fa2dnYThAcL6vdfQnZ2dnUVZ_hOdnZ2d <at> mozilla.org> (28688)
> 
> OE has much better ability to access a message by mid than does Tbird.
> And GG's ability to access a message by mid is extremely deprecated
> compared to how it was in 'the old days'. For example, I can't get that
> message from GG by using the MID; however/altho' GG has it.
>

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Terry R. | 4 Feb 2011 03:48

Re: Is this now Egypt?

On 2/3/2011 5:20 PM On a whim, Jay Garcia pounded out on the keyboard

>
> My post was cancelled by ChrisI because I was WARNED that my OT's had
> exceeded some limit and further OT's would be cancelled. I complained
> "up the ladder" on more than one occasion but obviously fell on deaf
> ears and is therefore condoned to CANCEL posts. We're going to see what
> Mozilla Legal has to say about it next.
>

"Exceeded the limit"?  What BS is this?  You get some guy in there 
calling everyone names like he is the ONLY authority on the subject, and 
his posts remain, but you get deleted.  WTF...

Terry R.
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Jay Garcia | 4 Feb 2011 03:57

Re: Is this now Egypt?

On 03.02.2011 20:48, Terry R. wrote:

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> On 2/3/2011 5:20 PM On a whim, Jay Garcia pounded out on the keyboard
> 
> 
>>
>> My post was cancelled by ChrisI because I was WARNED that my OT's had
>> exceeded some limit and further OT's would be cancelled. I complained
>> "up the ladder" on more than one occasion but obviously fell on deaf
>> ears and is therefore condoned to CANCEL posts. We're going to see what
>> Mozilla Legal has to say about it next.
>>
> 
> "Exceeded the limit"?  What BS is this?  You get some guy in there
> calling everyone names like he is the ONLY authority on the subject, and
> his posts remain, but you get deleted.  WTF...
> 
> 
> Terry R.

Oh yes !!! There IS a limit, I forget the figure. But if you exceed the
limit you get a warning email from ChrisI to the effect that subsequent
OT posts will be canceled. What I would like to know is how many
perpetual OT'ers actually got an email warning of any sort. Can you just
imagine what would happen if expanded moderation is in effect,
whitlisting notwithstanding!? It's too much power in the hands of only
one person, IMHO of course. The 3-person moderation "team" here has been
a total flop, IMHO.

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