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Sailfish | 30 Jun 2012 20:47

Exclusive: Microsoft Word 2013 to support built-in PDF editing

REF: 
http://www.liveside.net/2012/06/29/exclusive-microsoft-word-2013-to-support-built-in-pdf-editing/

[excerpt quote="
Those who had been using Microsoft Word for their daily word processing 
tasks knows that ever since Office 2010 the software included the 
ability to save Word documents as PDF format (and an official plug-in is 
available for Office 2007 too). However, this had always been a one-way 
street, as you cannot go the other way and try to edit or open the PDF 
file in Word without the use of third-party software. LiveSide recently 
learnt that this is set to change with Word 2013, and you will be able 
to directly open and edit PDF content in Microsoft Word. This is how it 
will work, according to exclusive information we received:
" /]

While a nice addition, it's not enough to convince me to upgrade from 
Office 2010.

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David H. Lipman | 30 Jun 2012 21:07

Re: Exclusive: Microsoft Word 2013 to support built-in PDF editing

From: "Sailfish" <REMOVECAPSsailfish <at> REMOVECAPSunforgettable.com>

> REF: 
> http://www.liveside.net/2012/06/29/exclusive-microsoft-word-2013-to-support-built-in-pdf-editing/
>
> [excerpt quote="
> Those who had been using Microsoft Word for their daily word processing 
> tasks knows that ever since Office 2010 the software included the ability 
> to save Word documents as PDF format (and an official plug-in is available 
> for Office 2007 too). However, this had always been a one-way street, as 
> you cannot go the other way and try to edit or open the PDF file in Word 
> without the use of third-party software. LiveSide recently learnt that 
> this is set to change with Word 2013, and you will be able to directly 
> open and edit PDF content in Microsoft Word. This is how it will work, 
> according to exclusive information we received:
> " /]
>
> While a nice addition, it's not enough to convince me to upgrade from 
> Office 2010.
>

Editing a PDF is a misperception.  You can manipulate a PDF but not edit a 
PDF even in Acrobat Professional.  About all you can do is move around 
graphics, delete/add pages, rotgate pages, etc.  Don't expect to be able to 
edit a PDF like you would edit a MS Word document.  The PDF file format is a 
published format.

One of the best PDF manipulators happens to be LibreOffice.  Not only can 
you maipulate a PDF but you can create editable PDF forms (albeit I prefer 
LifeCycle Designer).

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Sailfish | 30 Jun 2012 21:29

Re: Exclusive: Microsoft Word 2013 to support built-in PDF editing

My bloviated meandering follows what David H. Lipman graced us with on 
6/30/2012 12:07 PM:
> From: "Sailfish" <REMOVECAPSsailfish <at> REMOVECAPSunforgettable.com>
> 
>> REF: 
>>
http://www.liveside.net/2012/06/29/exclusive-microsoft-word-2013-to-support-built-in-pdf-editing/ 
>>
>>
>> [excerpt quote="
>> Those who had been using Microsoft Word for their daily word 
>> processing tasks knows that ever since Office 2010 the software 
>> included the ability to save Word documents as PDF format (and an 
>> official plug-in is available for Office 2007 too). However, this had 
>> always been a one-way street, as you cannot go the other way and try 
>> to edit or open the PDF file in Word without the use of third-party 
>> software. LiveSide recently learnt that this is set to change with 
>> Word 2013, and you will be able to directly open and edit PDF content 
>> in Microsoft Word. This is how it will work, according to exclusive 
>> information we received:
>> " /]
>>
>> While a nice addition, it's not enough to convince me to upgrade from 
>> Office 2010.
>>
> 
> Editing a PDF is a misperception.  You can manipulate a PDF but not edit 
> a PDF even in Acrobat Professional.  About all you can do is move around 
> graphics, delete/add pages, rotgate pages, etc.  Don't expect to be able 
> to edit a PDF like you would edit a MS Word document.  The PDF file

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David H. Lipman | 30 Jun 2012 23:59

Re: Exclusive: Microsoft Word 2013 to support built-in PDF editing

From: "Sailfish" <REMOVECAPSsailfish <at> REMOVECAPSunforgettable.com>

> My bloviated meandering follows what David H. Lipman graced us with on 
> 6/30/2012 12:07 PM:
>> From: "Sailfish" <REMOVECAPSsailfish <at> REMOVECAPSunforgettable.com>
>>
>>> REF: 
>>>
http://www.liveside.net/2012/06/29/exclusive-microsoft-word-2013-to-support-built-in-pdf-editing/ 
>>> [excerpt quote="
>>> Those who had been using Microsoft Word for their daily word processing 
>>> tasks knows that ever since Office 2010 the software included the 
>>> ability to save Word documents as PDF format (and an official plug-in is 
>>> available for Office 2007 too). However, this had always been a one-way 
>>> street, as you cannot go the other way and try to edit or open the PDF 
>>> file in Word without the use of third-party software. LiveSide recently 
>>> learnt that this is set to change with Word 2013, and you will be able 
>>> to directly open and edit PDF content in Microsoft Word. This is how it 
>>> will work, according to exclusive information we received:
>>> " /]
>>>
>>> While a nice addition, it's not enough to convince me to upgrade from 
>>> Office 2010.
>>>
>> Editing a PDF is a misperception.  You can manipulate a PDF but not edit 
>> a PDF even in Acrobat Professional.  About all you can do is move around 
>> graphics, delete/add pages, rotgate pages, etc.  Don't expect to be able 
>> to edit a PDF like you would edit a MS Word document.  The PDF file 
>> format is a published format.
>>

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Sailfish | 1 Jul 2012 01:50

Re: Exclusive: Microsoft Word 2013 to support built-in PDF editing

My bloviated meandering follows what David H. Lipman graced us with on 
6/30/2012 2:59 PM:
> From: "Sailfish" <REMOVECAPSsailfish <at> REMOVECAPSunforgettable.com>
> 
>> My bloviated meandering follows what David H. Lipman graced us with on 
>> 6/30/2012 12:07 PM:
>>> From: "Sailfish" <REMOVECAPSsailfish <at> REMOVECAPSunforgettable.com>
>>>
>>>> REF: 
>>>>
http://www.liveside.net/2012/06/29/exclusive-microsoft-word-2013-to-support-built-in-pdf-editing/ 
>>>> [excerpt quote="
>>>> Those who had been using Microsoft Word for their daily word 
>>>> processing tasks knows that ever since Office 2010 the software 
>>>> included the ability to save Word documents as PDF format (and an 
>>>> official plug-in is available for Office 2007 too). However, this 
>>>> had always been a one-way street, as you cannot go the other way and 
>>>> try to edit or open the PDF file in Word without the use of 
>>>> third-party software. LiveSide recently learnt that this is set to 
>>>> change with Word 2013, and you will be able to directly open and 
>>>> edit PDF content in Microsoft Word. This is how it will work, 
>>>> according to exclusive information we received:
>>>> " /]
>>>>
>>>> While a nice addition, it's not enough to convince me to upgrade 
>>>> from Office 2010.
>>>>
>>> Editing a PDF is a misperception.  You can manipulate a PDF but not 
>>> edit a PDF even in Acrobat Professional.  About all you can do is 
>>> move around graphics, delete/add pages, rotgate pages, etc.  Don't

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Dave Warren | 1 Jul 2012 06:29

Re: Exclusive: Microsoft Word 2013 to support built-in PDF editing

In the last episode of <8PydnRWXJusd03LSnZ2dnUVZ_omdnZ2d <at> mozilla.org>,
"David H. Lipman" <DLipman~nospam~ <at> Verizon.Net> said:

>Editing a PDF is a misperception.  You can manipulate a PDF but not edit a 
>PDF even in Acrobat Professional.  About all you can do is move around 
>graphics, delete/add pages, rotgate pages, etc.

When components are text based (not images of text, but actual
selectable text), you theoretically can edit them, at least to a point. 

However, there are no guarantees at all. Even if a PDF is text based, if
it contains an embedded font and the creator didn't include a "Z" then
you don't get to type words with a "Z" either unless you don't mind some
font issues.

Once you get above the simplest PDF though, it gets much more
complicated.

It's not so much that it can't be done, but rather, it won't be a
comfortable user experience since users don't understand the concept of
layers, or exactly how PDFs are built.

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Frank | 1 Jul 2012 01:51

Re: Exclusive: Microsoft Word 2013 to support built-in PDF editing

On 6/30/2012 2:47 PM, Sailfish wrote:
> REF:
> http://www.liveside.net/2012/06/29/exclusive-microsoft-word-2013-to-support-built-in-pdf-editing/
>
>
> [excerpt quote="
> Those who had been using Microsoft Word for their daily word processing
> tasks knows that ever since Office 2010 the software included the
> ability to save Word documents as PDF format (and an official plug-in is
> available for Office 2007 too). However, this had always been a one-way
> street, as you cannot go the other way and try to edit or open the PDF
> file in Word without the use of third-party software. LiveSide recently
> learnt that this is set to change with Word 2013, and you will be able
> to directly open and edit PDF content in Microsoft Word. This is how it
> will work, according to exclusive information we received:
> " /]
>
> While a nice addition, it's not enough to convince me to upgrade from
> Office 2010.
>

Would be useful but I bet Open Office and Libre Office will keep up.
I've been using these guys for occasional need:
http://www.pdftoword.com/
but a scanned pdf will not go and I doubt Microsoft will do it either.

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Sailfish | 1 Jul 2012 01:54

Re: Exclusive: Microsoft Word 2013 to support built-in PDF editing

My bloviated meandering follows what Frank graced us with on 6/30/2012 
4:51 PM:
> On 6/30/2012 2:47 PM, Sailfish wrote:
>> REF:
>>
http://www.liveside.net/2012/06/29/exclusive-microsoft-word-2013-to-support-built-in-pdf-editing/ 
>>
>>
>>
>> [excerpt quote="
>> Those who had been using Microsoft Word for their daily word processing
>> tasks knows that ever since Office 2010 the software included the
>> ability to save Word documents as PDF format (and an official plug-in is
>> available for Office 2007 too). However, this had always been a one-way
>> street, as you cannot go the other way and try to edit or open the PDF
>> file in Word without the use of third-party software. LiveSide recently
>> learnt that this is set to change with Word 2013, and you will be able
>> to directly open and edit PDF content in Microsoft Word. This is how it
>> will work, according to exclusive information we received:
>> " /]
>>
>> While a nice addition, it's not enough to convince me to upgrade from
>> Office 2010.
> 
> Would be useful but I bet Open Office and Libre Office will keep up.
> I've been using these guys for occasional need:
> http://www.pdftoword.com/
> but a scanned pdf will not go and I doubt Microsoft will do it either.

I use that on occasion, as well. Yes, it works quite well with a native

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David H. Lipman | 1 Jul 2012 03:37

Re: Exclusive: Microsoft Word 2013 to support built-in PDF editing

From: "Frank" <frankdotlogullo <at> comcast.net>

> Would be useful but I bet Open Office and Libre Office will keep up.
> I've been using these guys for occasional need:
> http://www.pdftoword.com/
> but a scanned pdf will not go and I doubt Microsoft will do it either.

Keep up ?  They are ahead in the game.

LibreOffice can do it natively.  When Sun owned OpenOffice you had to 
install the PDFImport add-on.  Its possible (and I haven't checked) the 
Apache has included it in the new OpenOffice like LibreOffice had done.

Both LibreOffice and OpenOffice can create editable (fillable) PDF Forms as 
well.

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F1Com | 3 Jul 2012 01:22

Re: Exclusive: Microsoft Word 2013 to support built-in PDF editing

On 6/30/2012 11:47 AM On a whim, Sailfish pounded out on the keyboard

> REF:
> http://www.liveside.net/2012/06/29/exclusive-microsoft-word-2013-to-support-built-in-pdf-editing/
>
> [excerpt quote="
> Those who had been using Microsoft Word for their daily word processing
> tasks knows that ever since Office 2010 the software included the
> ability to save Word documents as PDF format (and an official plug-in is
> available for Office 2007 too). However, this had always been a one-way
> street, as you cannot go the other way and try to edit or open the PDF
> file in Word without the use of third-party software. LiveSide recently
> learnt that this is set to change with Word 2013, and you will be able
> to directly open and edit PDF content in Microsoft Word. This is how it
> will work, according to exclusive information we received:
> " /]
>
> While a nice addition, it's not enough to convince me to upgrade from
> Office 2010.
>

WordPerfect has had that option for a long time. 

I don't see what the deal is.  It's just as quick to edit a document and 
print a PDF from it.

Terry
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Dave Warren | 3 Jul 2012 05:37

Re: Exclusive: Microsoft Word 2013 to support built-in PDF editing

In the last episode of <1omdncfXPICusG_SnZ2dnUVZ_gqdnZ2d <at> mozilla.org>,
F1Com <at> NOSPAMpobox.com said:

>I don't see what the deal is.  It's just as quick to edit a document and 
>print a PDF from it.

If you just have the PDF to begin with, it's a big deal to be able to
edit it more easily.

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F1Com | 3 Jul 2012 21:22

Re: Exclusive: Microsoft Word 2013 to support built-in PDF editing

On 7/2/2012 8:37 PM On a whim, Dave Warren pounded out on the keyboard

> In the last episode of<1omdncfXPICusG_SnZ2dnUVZ_gqdnZ2d <at> mozilla.org>,
> F1Com <at> NOSPAMpobox.com said:
>
>> I don't see what the deal is.  It's just as quick to edit a document and
>> print a PDF from it.
>
> If you just have the PDF to begin with, it's a big deal to be able to
> edit it more easily.

Um, that's the reason people send PDF's, so others don't mess with it!

Terry
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David H. Lipman | 3 Jul 2012 22:51

Re: Exclusive: Microsoft Word 2013 to support built-in PDF editing

From: <F1Com <at> NOSPAMpobox.com>

> On 7/2/2012 8:37 PM On a whim, Dave Warren pounded out on the keyboard
>
>> In the last episode of<1omdncfXPICusG_SnZ2dnUVZ_gqdnZ2d <at> mozilla.org>,
>> F1Com <at> NOSPAMpobox.com said:
>>
>>> I don't see what the deal is.  It's just as quick to edit a document and
>>> print a PDF from it.
>>
>> If you just have the PDF to begin with, it's a big deal to be able to
>> edit it more easily.
>
> Um, that's the reason people send PDF's, so others don't mess with it!
>

Right.  It is a published format not data processing format.

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Ed Mullen | 4 Jul 2012 01:14

Re: Exclusive: Microsoft Word 2013 to support built-in PDF editing

F1Com <at> NOSPAMpobox.com wrote:
> On 7/2/2012 8:37 PM On a whim, Dave Warren pounded out on the keyboard
>
>> In the last episode of<1omdncfXPICusG_SnZ2dnUVZ_gqdnZ2d <at> mozilla.org>,
>> F1Com <at> NOSPAMpobox.com said:
>>
>>> I don't see what the deal is.  It's just as quick to edit a document and
>>> print a PDF from it.
>>
>> If you just have the PDF to begin with, it's a big deal to be able to
>> edit it more easily.
>
> Um, that's the reason people send PDF's, so others don't mess with it!
>
>
> Terry

I send PDFs because most everyone can view them.  Nothing to do with 
editing.  If I want to create or edit a PDF I have Nitro Pro. Yeah, 
pricey, but I do sometimes need this function and it can be critical. 
So, I bought the tool to do the job.

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Sailfish | 3 Jul 2012 06:15

Re: Exclusive: Microsoft Word 2013 to support built-in PDF editing

My bloviated meandering follows what F1Com <at> NOSPAMpobox.com graced us 
with on 7/2/2012 4:22 PM:
> On 6/30/2012 11:47 AM On a whim, Sailfish pounded out on the keyboard
> 
>> REF:
>>
http://www.liveside.net/2012/06/29/exclusive-microsoft-word-2013-to-support-built-in-pdf-editing/ 
>>
>>
>> [excerpt quote="
>> Those who had been using Microsoft Word for their daily word processing
>> tasks knows that ever since Office 2010 the software included the
>> ability to save Word documents as PDF format (and an official plug-in is
>> available for Office 2007 too). However, this had always been a one-way
>> street, as you cannot go the other way and try to edit or open the PDF
>> file in Word without the use of third-party software. LiveSide recently
>> learnt that this is set to change with Word 2013, and you will be able
>> to directly open and edit PDF content in Microsoft Word. This is how it
>> will work, according to exclusive information we received:
>> " /]
>>
>> While a nice addition, it's not enough to convince me to upgrade from
>> Office 2010.
> 
> WordPerfect has had that option for a long time. 
> 
> I don't see what the deal is.  It's just as quick to edit a document and 
> print a PDF from it.
> 
Yeah, that's what I mostly do. I guess it may have some utility for

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F1Com | 3 Jul 2012 21:24

Re: Exclusive: Microsoft Word 2013 to support built-in PDF editing

On 7/2/2012 9:15 PM On a whim, Sailfish pounded out on the keyboard

> My bloviated meandering follows what F1Com <at> NOSPAMpobox.com graced us
> with on 7/2/2012 4:22 PM:
>> On 6/30/2012 11:47 AM On a whim, Sailfish pounded out on the keyboard
>>
>>> REF:
>>> http://www.liveside.net/2012/06/29/exclusive-microsoft-word-2013-to-support-built-in-pdf-editing/
>>>
>>>
>>> [excerpt quote="
>>> Those who had been using Microsoft Word for their daily word processing
>>> tasks knows that ever since Office 2010 the software included the
>>> ability to save Word documents as PDF format (and an official plug-in is
>>> available for Office 2007 too). However, this had always been a one-way
>>> street, as you cannot go the other way and try to edit or open the PDF
>>> file in Word without the use of third-party software. LiveSide recently
>>> learnt that this is set to change with Word 2013, and you will be able
>>> to directly open and edit PDF content in Microsoft Word. This is how it
>>> will work, according to exclusive information we received:
>>> " /]
>>>
>>> While a nice addition, it's not enough to convince me to upgrade from
>>> Office 2010.
>> WordPerfect has had that option for a long time. 
>>
>> I don't see what the deal is.  It's just as quick to edit a document and
>> print a PDF from it.
>>
> Yeah, that's what I mostly do. I guess it may have some utility for

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Sailfish | 3 Jul 2012 23:12

Re: Exclusive: Microsoft Word 2013 to support built-in PDF editing

My bloviated meandering follows what F1Com <at> NOSPAMpobox.com graced us 
with on 7/3/2012 12:24 PM:
> On 7/2/2012 9:15 PM On a whim, Sailfish pounded out on the keyboard
> 
>> My bloviated meandering follows what F1Com <at> NOSPAMpobox.com graced us
>> with on 7/2/2012 4:22 PM:
>>> On 6/30/2012 11:47 AM On a whim, Sailfish pounded out on the keyboard
>>>
>>>> REF:
>>>>
http://www.liveside.net/2012/06/29/exclusive-microsoft-word-2013-to-support-built-in-pdf-editing/ 
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> [excerpt quote="
>>>> Those who had been using Microsoft Word for their daily word processing
>>>> tasks knows that ever since Office 2010 the software included the
>>>> ability to save Word documents as PDF format (and an official 
>>>> plug-in is
>>>> available for Office 2007 too). However, this had always been a one-way
>>>> street, as you cannot go the other way and try to edit or open the PDF
>>>> file in Word without the use of third-party software. LiveSide recently
>>>> learnt that this is set to change with Word 2013, and you will be able
>>>> to directly open and edit PDF content in Microsoft Word. This is how it
>>>> will work, according to exclusive information we received:
>>>> " /]
>>>>
>>>> While a nice addition, it's not enough to convince me to upgrade from
>>>> Office 2010.
>>> WordPerfect has had that option for a long time.

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David H. Lipman | 3 Jul 2012 23:54

Re: Exclusive: Microsoft Word 2013 to support built-in PDF editing

From: "Sailfish" <REMOVECAPSsailfish <at> REMOVECAPSunforgettable.com>

> My bloviated meandering follows what F1Com <at> NOSPAMpobox.com graced us with 
> on 7/3/2012 12:24 PM:
>> On 7/2/2012 9:15 PM On a whim, Sailfish pounded out on the keyboard
>>
>>> My bloviated meandering follows what F1Com <at> NOSPAMpobox.com graced us
>>> with on 7/2/2012 4:22 PM:
>>>> On 6/30/2012 11:47 AM On a whim, Sailfish pounded out on the keyboard
>>>>
>>>>> REF:
>>>>>
http://www.liveside.net/2012/06/29/exclusive-microsoft-word-2013-to-support-built-in-pdf-editing/ 
>>>>> [excerpt quote="
>>>>> Those who had been using Microsoft Word for their daily word 
>>>>> processing
>>>>> tasks knows that ever since Office 2010 the software included the
>>>>> ability to save Word documents as PDF format (and an official plug-in 
>>>>> is
>>>>> available for Office 2007 too). However, this had always been a 
>>>>> one-way
>>>>> street, as you cannot go the other way and try to edit or open the PDF
>>>>> file in Word without the use of third-party software. LiveSide 
>>>>> recently
>>>>> learnt that this is set to change with Word 2013, and you will be able
>>>>> to directly open and edit PDF content in Microsoft Word. This is how 
>>>>> it
>>>>> will work, according to exclusive information we received:
>>>>> " /]
>>>>>

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Ed Mullen | 4 Jul 2012 01:18

Re: Exclusive: Microsoft Word 2013 to support built-in PDF editing

David H. Lipman wrote:
> From: "Sailfish" <REMOVECAPSsailfish <at> REMOVECAPSunforgettable.com>
>
>> My bloviated meandering follows what F1Com <at> NOSPAMpobox.com graced us
>> with on 7/3/2012 12:24 PM:
>>> On 7/2/2012 9:15 PM On a whim, Sailfish pounded out on the keyboard
>>>
>>>> My bloviated meandering follows what F1Com <at> NOSPAMpobox.com graced us
>>>> with on 7/2/2012 4:22 PM:
>>>>> On 6/30/2012 11:47 AM On a whim, Sailfish pounded out on the keyboard
>>>>>
>>>>>> REF:
>>>>>> http://www.liveside.net/2012/06/29/exclusive-microsoft-word-2013-to-support-built-in-pdf-editing/
>>>>>> [excerpt quote="
>>>>>> Those who had been using Microsoft Word for their daily word
>>>>>> processing
>>>>>> tasks knows that ever since Office 2010 the software included the
>>>>>> ability to save Word documents as PDF format (and an official
>>>>>> plug-in is
>>>>>> available for Office 2007 too). However, this had always been a
>>>>>> one-way
>>>>>> street, as you cannot go the other way and try to edit or open the
>>>>>> PDF
>>>>>> file in Word without the use of third-party software. LiveSide
>>>>>> recently
>>>>>> learnt that this is set to change with Word 2013, and you will be
>>>>>> able
>>>>>> to directly open and edit PDF content in Microsoft Word. This is
>>>>>> how it
>>>>>> will work, according to exclusive information we received:

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Ed Mullen | 4 Jul 2012 01:16

Re: Exclusive: Microsoft Word 2013 to support built-in PDF editing

F1Com <at> NOSPAMpobox.com wrote:
> On 7/2/2012 9:15 PM On a whim, Sailfish pounded out on the keyboard
>
>> My bloviated meandering follows what F1Com <at> NOSPAMpobox.com graced us
>> with on 7/2/2012 4:22 PM:
>>> On 6/30/2012 11:47 AM On a whim, Sailfish pounded out on the keyboard
>>>
>>>> REF:
>>>> http://www.liveside.net/2012/06/29/exclusive-microsoft-word-2013-to-support-built-in-pdf-editing/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> [excerpt quote="
>>>> Those who had been using Microsoft Word for their daily word processing
>>>> tasks knows that ever since Office 2010 the software included the
>>>> ability to save Word documents as PDF format (and an official
>>>> plug-in is
>>>> available for Office 2007 too). However, this had always been a one-way
>>>> street, as you cannot go the other way and try to edit or open the PDF
>>>> file in Word without the use of third-party software. LiveSide recently
>>>> learnt that this is set to change with Word 2013, and you will be able
>>>> to directly open and edit PDF content in Microsoft Word. This is how it
>>>> will work, according to exclusive information we received:
>>>> " /]
>>>>
>>>> While a nice addition, it's not enough to convince me to upgrade from
>>>> Office 2010.
>>> WordPerfect has had that option for a long time. 
>>>
>>> I don't see what the deal is.  It's just as quick to edit a document and

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F1Com | 8 Jul 2012 23:46

Re: Exclusive: Microsoft Word 2013 to support built-in PDF editing

On 7/3/2012 4:16 PM On a whim, Ed Mullen pounded out on the keyboard

> F1Com <at> NOSPAMpobox.com wrote:
>> On 7/2/2012 9:15 PM On a whim, Sailfish pounded out on the keyboard
>>
>>> My bloviated meandering follows what F1Com <at> NOSPAMpobox.com graced us
>>> with on 7/2/2012 4:22 PM:
>>>> On 6/30/2012 11:47 AM On a whim, Sailfish pounded out on the keyboard
>>>>
>>>>> REF:
>>>>> http://www.liveside.net/2012/06/29/exclusive-microsoft-word-2013-to-support-built-in-pdf-editing/
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> [excerpt quote="
>>>>> Those who had been using Microsoft Word for their daily word processing
>>>>> tasks knows that ever since Office 2010 the software included the
>>>>> ability to save Word documents as PDF format (and an official
>>>>> plug-in is
>>>>> available for Office 2007 too). However, this had always been a one-way
>>>>> street, as you cannot go the other way and try to edit or open the PDF
>>>>> file in Word without the use of third-party software. LiveSide recently
>>>>> learnt that this is set to change with Word 2013, and you will be able
>>>>> to directly open and edit PDF content in Microsoft Word. This is how it
>>>>> will work, according to exclusive information we received:
>>>>> " /]
>>>>>
>>>>> While a nice addition, it's not enough to convince me to upgrade from
>>>>> Office 2010.
>>>> WordPerfect has had that option for a long time.

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Ed Mullen | 9 Jul 2012 02:11

Re: Exclusive: Microsoft Word 2013 to support built-in PDF editing

F1Com <at> NOSPAMpobox.com wrote:
> On 7/3/2012 4:16 PM On a whim, Ed Mullen pounded out on the keyboard
>
>> F1Com <at> NOSPAMpobox.com wrote:
>>> On 7/2/2012 9:15 PM On a whim, Sailfish pounded out on the keyboard
>>>
>>>> My bloviated meandering follows what F1Com <at> NOSPAMpobox.com graced us
>>>> with on 7/2/2012 4:22 PM:
>>>>> On 6/30/2012 11:47 AM On a whim, Sailfish pounded out on the keyboard
>>>>>
>>>>>> REF:
>>>>>> http://www.liveside.net/2012/06/29/exclusive-microsoft-word-2013-to-support-built-in-pdf-editing/
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> [excerpt quote="
>>>>>> Those who had been using Microsoft Word for their daily word
>>>>>> processing
>>>>>> tasks knows that ever since Office 2010 the software included the
>>>>>> ability to save Word documents as PDF format (and an official
>>>>>> plug-in is
>>>>>> available for Office 2007 too). However, this had always been a
>>>>>> one-way
>>>>>> street, as you cannot go the other way and try to edit or open the
>>>>>> PDF
>>>>>> file in Word without the use of third-party software. LiveSide
>>>>>> recently
>>>>>> learnt that this is set to change with Word 2013, and you will be
>>>>>> able

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F1Com | 9 Jul 2012 17:11

Re: Exclusive: Microsoft Word 2013 to support built-in PDF editing

On 7/8/2012 5:11 PM On a whim, Ed Mullen pounded out on the keyboard

> F1Com <at> NOSPAMpobox.com wrote:
>> On 7/3/2012 4:16 PM On a whim, Ed Mullen pounded out on the keyboard
>>
>>> F1Com <at> NOSPAMpobox.com wrote:
>>>> On 7/2/2012 9:15 PM On a whim, Sailfish pounded out on the keyboard
>>>> When I send a PDF, I don't want others messing with it, as I think most
>>>> do, right?
>>>>
>>>> I love getting DOC files from people when they want me to read it.  I
>>>> politely tell them to send it in a format that can't so easily be
>>>> edited, for their own protection.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Why?  If someone sends an editable doc (in my case, damned near
>>> anything) I  assume they don't care.  It's not my job to safeguard
>>> others' docs and/or practices. Send me what you like, I'll scan it, read
>>> it, do whatever with it.
>>>
>> Well, you are assuming incorrectly in many cases.  Most users don't even
>> think about someone falsifying a DOC.  Almost every one of the ones I
>> respond to are shocked at the possibility.
>>
>>
>
> You're missing my point, probably not well made.  Send what you like.
> I'll use my local safeguards to scan in and assure myself that I'm
> proteted from whatever ills you might send me.

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Good Guy | 11 Jul 2012 00:04

Re: Exclusive: Microsoft Word 2013 to support built-in PDF editing

F1Com <at> NOSPAMpobox.com wrote:
> Security isn't the issue here.  It's modifying a file sent.
> 

If modifying the file sent is the main issue then clearly Corel's 
WordPerfect Office X6 — Standard Edition comes out on top.

http://www.corel.com/corel/product/index.jsp?pid=prod4720105

You simply import the file in Wordperfect and start editing it.  Very 
little distortion takes place to the layout of the document.It is worth 
a try by using the trial version available on their website.

If you need firther assistance then please post back because I have been 
using this for sometime now.

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F1Com | 11 Jul 2012 00:27

Re: Exclusive: Microsoft Word 2013 to support built-in PDF editing

On 7/10/2012 3:04 PM On a whim, Good Guy pounded out on the keyboard

> F1Com <at> NOSPAMpobox.com wrote:
>> Security isn't the issue here.  It's modifying a file sent.
>>
>
> If modifying the file sent is the main issue then clearly Corel's
> WordPerfect Office X6 — Standard Edition comes out on top.
>
> http://www.corel.com/corel/product/index.jsp?pid=prod4720105
>
> You simply import the file in Wordperfect and start editing it.  Very
> little distortion takes place to the layout of the document.It is worth
> a try by using the trial version available on their website.
>
> If you need firther assistance then please post back because I have been
> using this for sometime now.
>

I use WordPerfect also, and have since 4.0.  I know about editing PDF's.

Regardless, the "average" user sending out a DOC file is oblivious to 
the fact their file can be modified easily.  A PDF makes it harder, but 
even Chrome can select text from a PDF and copy it natively.

Terry
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Bill Braun | 11 Jul 2012 04:18

Re: Exclusive: Microsoft Word 2013 to support built-in PDF editing

On 7/10/2012 6:27 PM, F1Com <at> NOSPAMpobox.com wrote:
> On 7/10/2012 3:04 PM On a whim, Good Guy pounded out on the keyboard
>
>> F1Com <at> NOSPAMpobox.com wrote:
>>> Security isn't the issue here.  It's modifying a file sent.
>>>
>>
>> If modifying the file sent is the main issue then clearly Corel's
>> WordPerfect Office X6 — Standard Edition comes out on top.
>>
>> http://www.corel.com/corel/product/index.jsp?pid=prod4720105
>>
>> You simply import the file in Wordperfect and start editing it.  Very
>> little distortion takes place to the layout of the document.It is worth
>> a try by using the trial version available on their website.
>>
>> If you need firther assistance then please post back because I have been
>> using this for sometime now.
>>
>
> I use WordPerfect also, and have since 4.0.  I know about editing PDF's.
>
> Regardless, the "average" user sending out a DOC file is oblivious to
> the fact their file can be modified easily.  A PDF makes it harder, but
> even Chrome can select text from a PDF and copy it natively.
>
>
> Terry

Same Terry that shows up on the corel newsgroup now and again?

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F1Com | 11 Jul 2012 04:32

Re: Exclusive: Microsoft Word 2013 to support built-in PDF editing

On 7/10/2012 7:18 PM On a whim, Bill Braun pounded out on the keyboard

> On 7/10/2012 6:27 PM, F1Com <at> NOSPAMpobox.com wrote:
>> On 7/10/2012 3:04 PM On a whim, Good Guy pounded out on the keyboard
>>
>>> F1Com <at> NOSPAMpobox.com wrote:
>>>> Security isn't the issue here.  It's modifying a file sent.
>>>>
>>> If modifying the file sent is the main issue then clearly Corel's
>>> WordPerfect Office X6 — Standard Edition comes out on top.
>>>
>>> http://www.corel.com/corel/product/index.jsp?pid=prod4720105
>>>
>>> You simply import the file in Wordperfect and start editing it.  Very
>>> little distortion takes place to the layout of the document.It is worth
>>> a try by using the trial version available on their website.
>>>
>>> If you need firther assistance then please post back because I have been
>>> using this for sometime now.
>>>
>> I use WordPerfect also, and have since 4.0.  I know about editing PDF's.
>>
>> Regardless, the "average" user sending out a DOC file is oblivious to
>> the fact their file can be modified easily.  A PDF makes it harder, but
>> even Chrome can select text from a PDF and copy it natively.
>>
>>
>> Terry
>
> Same Terry that shows up on the corel newsgroup now and again?

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WLS | 11 Jul 2012 04:33

Re: Exclusive: Microsoft Word 2013 to support built-in PDF editing

On 07/10/2012 10:32 PM, F1Com <at> NOSPAMpobox.com wrote:
> On 7/10/2012 7:18 PM On a whim, Bill Braun pounded out on the keyboard
> 
>> On 7/10/2012 6:27 PM, F1Com <at> NOSPAMpobox.com wrote:
>>> On 7/10/2012 3:04 PM On a whim, Good Guy pounded out on the keyboard
>>>
>>>> F1Com <at> NOSPAMpobox.com wrote:
>>>>> Security isn't the issue here.  It's modifying a file sent.
>>>>>
>>>> If modifying the file sent is the main issue then clearly Corel's
>>>> WordPerfect Office X6 — Standard Edition comes out on top.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.corel.com/corel/product/index.jsp?pid=prod4720105
>>>>
>>>> You simply import the file in Wordperfect and start editing it.  Very
>>>> little distortion takes place to the layout of the document.It is worth
>>>> a try by using the trial version available on their website.
>>>>
>>>> If you need firther assistance then please post back because I have
>>>> been
>>>> using this for sometime now.
>>>>
>>> I use WordPerfect also, and have since 4.0.  I know about editing PDF's.
>>>
>>> Regardless, the "average" user sending out a DOC file is oblivious to
>>> the fact their file can be modified easily.  A PDF makes it harder, but
>>> even Chrome can select text from a PDF and copy it natively.
>>>
>>>
>>> Terry

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Good Guy | 11 Jul 2012 05:17

Re: Exclusive: Microsoft Word 2013 to support built-in PDF editing

On 11/07/2012 03:33, WLS wrote:

>
> Nice write-up about you on Planet Mozilla projects. If that be you.
>

Yes it is here:

<https://blog.mozilla.org/community/2012/07/09/spotlight-on-terry-rather/>

Somebody has been recognized officially for the dedication to open 
source projects.

Congratulatio0ns Terry and keep it up.

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F1Com | 11 Jul 2012 21:24

Re: Exclusive: Microsoft Word 2013 to support built-in PDF editing

On 7/10/2012 8:17 PM On a whim, Good Guy pounded out on the keyboard

> On 11/07/2012 03:33, WLS wrote:
>
>> Nice write-up about you on Planet Mozilla projects. If that be you.
>>
>
> Yes it is here:
>
> <https://blog.mozilla.org/community/2012/07/09/spotlight-on-terry-rather/>
>
> Somebody has been recognized officially for the dedication to open
> source projects.
>
> Congratulatio0ns Terry and keep it up.
>
>

Thank you.  I hope I never let the angry birds get to me!

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PhillipJones | 11 Jul 2012 22:06

Re: Exclusive: Microsoft Word 2013 to support built-in PDF editing

F1Com <at> NOSPAMpobox.com wrote:
> On 7/10/2012 8:17 PM On a whim, Good Guy pounded out on the keyboard
>
>> On 11/07/2012 03:33, WLS wrote:
>>
>>> Nice write-up about you on Planet Mozilla projects. If that be you.
>>>
>>
>> Yes it is here:
>>
>> <https://blog.mozilla.org/community/2012/07/09/spotlight-on-terry-rather/>
>>
>>
>> Somebody has been recognized officially for the dedication to open
>> source projects.
>>
>> Congratulatio0ns Terry and keep it up.
>>
>>
>
> Thank you. I hope I never let the angry birds get to me!
>
>
> Terry
Nice to put a face to the people that post here.

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F1Com | 12 Jul 2012 01:29

Re: Exclusive: Microsoft Word 2013 to support built-in PDF editing

On 7/11/2012 1:06 PM On a whim, PhillipJones pounded out on the keyboard

> F1Com <at> NOSPAMpobox.com wrote:
>> On 7/10/2012 8:17 PM On a whim, Good Guy pounded out on the keyboard
>>
>>> On 11/07/2012 03:33, WLS wrote:
>>>
>>>> Nice write-up about you on Planet Mozilla projects. If that be you.
>>>>
>>> Yes it is here:
>>>
>>> <https://blog.mozilla.org/community/2012/07/09/spotlight-on-terry-rather/>
>>>
>>>
>>> Somebody has been recognized officially for the dedication to open
>>> source projects.
>>>
>>> Congratulatio0ns Terry and keep it up.
>>>
>>>
>> Thank you. I hope I never let the angry birds get to me!
>>
>>
>> Terry
> Nice to put a face to the people that post here.
>

You've probably forgotten, but I used to post photos and Christmas 
newsletter web pages on secnews.

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PhillipJones | 12 Jul 2012 03:08

Re: Exclusive: Microsoft Word 2013 to support built-in PDF editing

F1Com <at> NOSPAMpobox.com wrote:
> On 7/11/2012 1:06 PM On a whim, PhillipJones pounded out on the keyboard
>
>> F1Com <at> NOSPAMpobox.com wrote:
>>> On 7/10/2012 8:17 PM On a whim, Good Guy pounded out on the keyboard
>>>
>>>> On 11/07/2012 03:33, WLS wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Nice write-up about you on Planet Mozilla projects. If that be you.
>>>>>
>>>> Yes it is here:
>>>>
>>>> <https://blog.mozilla.org/community/2012/07/09/spotlight-on-terry-rather/>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Somebody has been recognized officially for the dedication to open
>>>> source projects.
>>>>
>>>> Congratulatio0ns Terry and keep it up.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Thank you. I hope I never let the angry birds get to me!
>>>
>>>
>>> Terry
>> Nice to put a face to the people that post here.
>>
>
> You've probably forgotten, but I used to post photos and Christmas

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F1Com | 11 Jul 2012 21:23

Re: Exclusive: Microsoft Word 2013 to support built-in PDF editing

On 7/10/2012 7:33 PM On a whim, WLS pounded out on the keyboard

> On 07/10/2012 10:32 PM, F1Com <at> NOSPAMpobox.com wrote:
>> On 7/10/2012 7:18 PM On a whim, Bill Braun pounded out on the keyboard
>>
>>> On 7/10/2012 6:27 PM, F1Com <at> NOSPAMpobox.com wrote:
>>>> On 7/10/2012 3:04 PM On a whim, Good Guy pounded out on the keyboard
>>>>
>>>>> F1Com <at> NOSPAMpobox.com wrote:
>>>>>> Security isn't the issue here.  It's modifying a file sent.
>>>>>>
>>>>> If modifying the file sent is the main issue then clearly Corel's
>>>>> WordPerfect Office X6 — Standard Edition comes out on top.
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.corel.com/corel/product/index.jsp?pid=prod4720105
>>>>>
>>>>> You simply import the file in Wordperfect and start editing it.  Very
>>>>> little distortion takes place to the layout of the document.It is worth
>>>>> a try by using the trial version available on their website.
>>>>>
>>>>> If you need firther assistance then please post back because I have
>>>>> been
>>>>> using this for sometime now.
>>>>>
>>>> I use WordPerfect also, and have since 4.0.  I know about editing PDF's.
>>>>
>>>> Regardless, the "average" user sending out a DOC file is oblivious to
>>>> the fact their file can be modified easily.  A PDF makes it harder, but
>>>> even Chrome can select text from a PDF and copy it natively.
>>>>

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PhillipJones | 11 Jul 2012 22:04

Re: Exclusive: Microsoft Word 2013 to support built-in PDF editing

Bill Braun wrote:
> On 7/10/2012 6:27 PM, F1Com <at> NOSPAMpobox.com wrote:
>> On 7/10/2012 3:04 PM On a whim, Good Guy pounded out on the keyboard
>>
>>> F1Com <at> NOSPAMpobox.com wrote:
>>>> Security isn't the issue here. It's modifying a file sent.
>>>>
>>>
>>> If modifying the file sent is the main issue then clearly Corel's
>>> WordPerfect Office X6 — Standard Edition comes out on top.
>>>
>>> http://www.corel.com/corel/product/index.jsp?pid=prod4720105
>>>
>>> You simply import the file in Wordperfect and start editing it. Very
>>> little distortion takes place to the layout of the document.It is worth
>>> a try by using the trial version available on their website.
>>>
>>> If you need firther assistance then please post back because I have been
>>> using this for sometime now.
>>>
>>
>> I use WordPerfect also, and have since 4.0. I know about editing PDF's.
>>
>> Regardless, the "average" user sending out a DOC file is oblivious to
>> the fact their file can be modified easily. A PDF makes it harder, but
>> even Chrome can select text from a PDF and copy it natively.
>>
>>
>> Terry
>

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F1Com | 12 Jul 2012 01:30

Re: Exclusive: Microsoft Word 2013 to support built-in PDF editing

On 7/11/2012 1:04 PM On a whim, PhillipJones pounded out on the keyboard

> Bill Braun wrote:
>> On 7/10/2012 6:27 PM, F1Com <at> NOSPAMpobox.com wrote:
>>> On 7/10/2012 3:04 PM On a whim, Good Guy pounded out on the keyboard
>>>
>>>> F1Com <at> NOSPAMpobox.com wrote:
>>>>> Security isn't the issue here. It's modifying a file sent.
>>>>>
>>>> If modifying the file sent is the main issue then clearly Corel's
>>>> WordPerfect Office X6 — Standard Edition comes out on top.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.corel.com/corel/product/index.jsp?pid=prod4720105
>>>>
>>>> You simply import the file in Wordperfect and start editing it. Very
>>>> little distortion takes place to the layout of the document.It is worth
>>>> a try by using the trial version available on their website.
>>>>
>>>> If you need firther assistance then please post back because I have been
>>>> using this for sometime now.
>>>>
>>> I use WordPerfect also, and have since 4.0. I know about editing PDF's.
>>>
>>> Regardless, the "average" user sending out a DOC file is oblivious to
>>> the fact their file can be modified easily. A PDF makes it harder, but
>>> even Chrome can select text from a PDF and copy it natively.
>>>
>>>
>> Same Terry that shows up on the corel newsgroup now and again?
>>

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nobody | 10 Jul 2012 23:08

Re: Exclusive: Microsoft Word 2013 to support built-in PDF editing

On 6/30/2012 1:47 PM, Sailfish wrote:
> REF:
> http://www.liveside.net/2012/06/29/exclusive-microsoft-word-2013-to-support-built-in-pdf-editing/
>
>
> [excerpt quote="
> Those who had been using Microsoft Word for their daily word processing
> tasks knows that ever since Office 2010 the software included the
> ability to save Word documents as PDF format (and an official plug-in is
> available for Office 2007 too). However, this had always been a one-way
> street, as you cannot go the other way and try to edit or open the PDF
> file in Word without the use of third-party software. LiveSide recently
> learnt that this is set to change with Word 2013, and you will be able
> to directly open and edit PDF content in Microsoft Word. This is how it
> will work, according to exclusive information we received:
> " /]
>
> While a nice addition, it's not enough to convince me to upgrade from
> Office 2010.
>

Is there any advantage to what 2010 can do over something like 
PDFCreator?  I have been using the latter for quite some time and it 
works, of course, from just about any program.

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David H. Lipman | 10 Jul 2012 23:28

Re: Exclusive: Microsoft Word 2013 to support built-in PDF editing

From: "nobody" <nobody <at> none.invalid>

> On 6/30/2012 1:47 PM, Sailfish wrote:
>> REF:
>> http://www.liveside.net/2012/06/29/exclusive-microsoft-word-2013-to-support-built-in-pdf-editing/
>>
>> [excerpt quote="
>> Those who had been using Microsoft Word for their daily word processing
>> tasks knows that ever since Office 2010 the software included the
>> ability to save Word documents as PDF format (and an official plug-in is
>> available for Office 2007 too). However, this had always been a one-way
>> street, as you cannot go the other way and try to edit or open the PDF
>> file in Word without the use of third-party software. LiveSide recently
>> learnt that this is set to change with Word 2013, and you will be able
>> to directly open and edit PDF content in Microsoft Word. This is how it
>> will work, according to exclusive information we received:
>> " /]
>>
>> While a nice addition, it's not enough to convince me to upgrade from
>> Office 2010.
>>
> Is there any advantage to what 2010 can do over something like PDFCreator? 
> I have been using the latter for quite some time and it works, of course, 
> from just about any program.

None.

However there are advantages by using LibreOffice and Apache OpenOffice in 
that not only can you create PDF files but you can make fillable PDF forms.

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Sailfish | 11 Jul 2012 00:11

Re: Exclusive: Microsoft Word 2013 to support built-in PDF editing

My bloviated meandering follows what nobody graced us with on 7/10/2012 
2:08 PM:
> On 6/30/2012 1:47 PM, Sailfish wrote:
>> REF:
>>
http://www.liveside.net/2012/06/29/exclusive-microsoft-word-2013-to-support-built-in-pdf-editing/ 
>>
>>
>>
>> [excerpt quote="
>> Those who had been using Microsoft Word for their daily word processing
>> tasks knows that ever since Office 2010 the software included the
>> ability to save Word documents as PDF format (and an official plug-in is
>> available for Office 2007 too). However, this had always been a one-way
>> street, as you cannot go the other way and try to edit or open the PDF
>> file in Word without the use of third-party software. LiveSide recently
>> learnt that this is set to change with Word 2013, and you will be able
>> to directly open and edit PDF content in Microsoft Word. This is how it
>> will work, according to exclusive information we received:
>> " /]
>>
>> While a nice addition, it's not enough to convince me to upgrade from
>> Office 2010.
>>
> 
> Is there any advantage to what 2010 can do over something like 
> PDFCreator?  I have been using the latter for quite some time and it 
> works, of course, from just about any program.
> 
I'm not sure but, like you, PDFCreator handles all my PDF needs.

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