From: jamesjhawkins <jhawkins <at> good.com>
To: scrumdevelopment <at> yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, July 2, 2012 3:33 AM
Subject: [scrumdevelopment] Re: Scrum at Yahoo

Well, this is not what you asked but what I'm thinking is:

1. If a business model doesn't work, Scrum won't make it work.
In Scrum terms, if the product owner and team are prioritising the wrong user stories, their business may fail even if their Scrum practice is perfect.

2. An organisation's failure to implement Scrum may be a symptom of a wider problem: inability to change.
Any organisation that cannot change will fail sooner or later.

It seems to me that an organisation with rapidly changing priorities would be a good candidate for Scrum, not a bad one.

Cheers, Jim



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From: frede_swe <fredrik.vestin <at> gmail.com>
To: scrumdevelopment <at> yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, July 2, 2012 4:51 AM
Subject: [scrumdevelopment] Re: Scrum at Yahoo
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Charles,

Why are you asking? Are you looking for examples of where scrum or other frameworks fail or succeed? To me waterfall, scrum or any other framework cannot fail or succeed, only the organisations trying to adopt them. You may have a higher probability of succeeding with scrum over other frameworks, but that's a different story.

Fredrik
--- In scrumdevelopment <at> yahoogroups.com, Charles Bradley - Scrum Coach CSP CSM PSM I <chuck-lists2 <at> ...> wrote:
>
> I remember in my CSM class in 2008 that someone in the class was saying that Yahoo had tried Scrum and thrown it out because it couldn't support their rapidly changing priorities, etc.  It sounded like to me that they were a in high churn environment, which usually smacks of a dysfunction of some sort.
>
> Fast forward to present day , and I'm having all kinds of problems accessing my Yahoo Calendar.  I'm one of the 3 people in the world that doesn't use the Outlook Calendar or the Outlook Mail client (though as I get more and more appointments from managers and executives I think I need to give up and just do it), and have always used the Yahoo calendar and enjoyed it.
>
> From what I've read and experienced, Yahoo has had some serious failures wrt Yahoo Groups and Yahoo Calendar.
>
> Though I have absolutely no hard evidence(other than a 3rd hand report in my CSM class) to back any of this up, I am now wondering if a) Scrum was telling Yahoo something and b) if throwing out Scrum was a successful move for them.
>
> Having said all of that, my guess is that, if they a lot of technical debt, process debt, and/or defects in their systems, that it probably has very little to do with Scrum directly, except maybe via the Definition of Done.
>
> Does anyone else have any info on Yahoo that might explain their technical or process problems?  (Their business problems are a whole different animal)
>
>  
> -------
> Charles Bradley
> http://www.ScrumCrazy.com
>




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From: ilangoldstein1 <igoldstein1 <at> gmail.com>
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Sent: Sunday, July 1, 2012 3:54 AM
Subject: [scrumdevelopment] Re: Scrum at Yahoo

Hi Charles - I was recently co-training at a CSM course in London and in attendance was a senior program manager from Yahoo's data centre ops who told us that Scrum was certainly alive and well within their product dev areas. We didn't go into detail so not sure about the calendar/groups teams specifically b ut I don't believe that Scrum was thrown out based on this anecdotal evidence.

Incidentally, I was co-training with Gabrielle Benefield, who was one of the Scrum pioneers at Yahoo who wrote a paper on their adoption:
http://assets.scrumfoundation.com/downloads/6/YahooAgileRollout.pdf?1286089611

- Ilan

www.scrumshortcuts.com/blog
<at> ilagile


--- In scrumdevelopment <at> yahoogroups.com, Charles Bradley - Scrum Coach CSP CSM PSM I <chuck-lists2 <at> ...> wrote:
>
> I remember in my CSM class in 2008 that someone in the class was saying that Yahoo had tried Scrum and thrown it out because it couldn't support their rapidly changing priorities, etc.  It sounded like to me that they were a in high churn environment, which usually smacks of a dysfunction of some sort.
>
> Fast forward to present day, and I'm having all kinds of problems accessing my Yahoo Calendar.  I'm one of the 3 people in the world that doesn't use the Outlook Calendar or the Outlook Mail client (though as I get more and more appointments from managers and executives I think I need to give up and just do it), and have always used the Yahoo calendar and enjoyed it.
>
> From what I've read and experienced, Yahoo has had some serious failures wrt Yahoo Groups and Yahoo Calendar.
>
> Though I have absolutely no hard evidence(other than a 3rd hand report in my CSM class) to back any of this up, I am now wondering if a) Scrum was telling Yahoo something and b) if throwing out Scrum was a successful move for them.
>
> Having said all of that, my guess is that, if they a lot of technical debt, process debt, and/or defects in their sy stems, that it probably has very little to do with Scrum directly, except maybe via the Definition of Done.
>
> Does anyone else have any info on Yahoo that might explain their technical or process problems?  (Their business problems are a whole different animal)
>
>  
> -------
> Charles Bradley
> http://www.ScrumCrazy.com
>



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From: SilvanaWasitova <wasitova <at> yahoo.com>
To: "scrumdevelopment <at> yahoogroups.com" <scrumdevelopment <at> yahoogroups.com>
Cc:an> "scrumdevelopment <at> yahoogroups.com" <scrumdevelopment <at> yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 3, 2012 1:34 AM
Subject: Re: [scrumdevelopment] Scrum at Yahoo

 

In 2008 i was at Yahoo, and our team really appreciated how Scrum helped us deliver business value, as was the case in many other teams.  Even today there still are teams at Yahoo that use Scrum.

I'd refrain from overgeneralizing based on one person's off-hand comment, or one product's current state.

On Jun 30, 2012, at 6:06 PM, Charles Bradley - Scrum Coach CSP CSM PSM I <chuck-lists2 <at> emailchuck.com> wrote:

 

I remember in my CSM class in 2008 that someone in the class was saying that Yahoo had tried Scrum and thrown it out because it couldn't support their rapidly changing priorities, etc.  It sounded like to me that they were a in high churn environment, which usually smacks of a dysfunction of some sort.

Fast forward to present day, and I'm having all kinds of problems accessing my Yahoo Calendar.  I'm one of the 3 people in the world that doesn't use the Outlook Calendar or the Outlook Mail client (though as I get more and more appointments from managers and executives I think I need to give up and just do it), and have always used the Yahoo calendar and enjoyed it.

From what I've read and experienced, Yahoo has had some serious failures wrt Yahoo Groups and Yahoo Calendar.

Though I have absolutely no hard evidence(other than a 3rd hand report in my CSM class) to back any of this up, I am now wondering if a) Scrum was telling Yahoo something and b) if throwing out Scrum was a successful move for them.

Having said all of that, my guess is that, if they a lot of technical debt, process debt, and/or defects in their systems, that it probably has very little to do with Scrum directly, except maybe via the Definition of Done.

Does anyone else have any info on Yahoo that might explain their technical or process problems?  (Their business problems are a whole different animal)

 

-------
Charles Bradley
http://www.ScrumCrazy.com

From: SilvanaWasitova <wasitova <at> yahoo.com>
To: "scrumdevelopment <at> yahoogroups.com" <scrumdevelopment <at> yahoogroups.com>
Cc: "scrumdevelopment <at> yahoogroups.com" <scrumdevelopment <at> yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 3, 2012 1:34 AM
Subject: Re: [scrumdevelopment] Scrum at Yahoo

In 2008 i was at Yahoo, and our team really appreciated how Scrum helped us deliver business value, as was the case in many other teams.  Even today there still are teams at Yahoo that use Scrum.

I'd refrain from overgeneralizing based on one person's off-hand comment, or one product's current state.

On Jun 30, 2012, at 6:06 PM, Charles Bradley - Scrum Coach CSP CSM PSM I <chuck-lists2 <at> emailchuck.com> wrote:

 

I remember in my CSM class in 2008 that someone in the class was saying that Yahoo had tried Scrum and thrown it out because it couldn't support their rapidly changing priorities, etc.  It sounded like to me that they were a in high churn environment, which usually smacks of a dysfunction of some sort.

Fast forward to present day, and I'm having all kinds of problems accessing my Yahoo Calendar.  I'm one of the 3 people in the world that doesn't use the Outlook Calendar or the Outlook Mail client (though as I get more and more appointments from managers and executives I think I need to give up and just do it), and have always used the Yahoo calendar and enjoyed it.

From what I've read and experienced, Yahoo has had some serious failures wrt Yahoo Groups and Yahoo Calendar.

Though I have absolutely no hard evidence(other than a 3rd hand report in my CSM class) to back any of this up, I am now wondering if a) Scrum was telling Yahoo something and b) if throwing out Scrum was a successful move for them.

Having said all of that, my guess is that, if they a lot of technical debt, process debt, and/or defects in their systems, that it probably has very little to do with Scrum directly, except maybe via the Definition of Done.

Does anyone else have any info on Yahoo that might explain their technical or process problems?  (Their business problems are a whole different animal)

 

-------
Charles Bradley
http://www.scrumcrazy.com/