George Devaniranjan | 11 Aug 2012 23:37
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[Biopython] Markov modelling

Hi,

I am sorry, I know this is not the appropriate forum for asking this
question but I am not sure which is, so please pardon me for asking this
here.
Any help in this matter would be much appreciated.

I have some data that is quite large and I wish to find the relationship
between them but doing it by visual inspection is not possible.
I was told maybe Markov modelling might help.
My question is, is there a simple modelling tool that is out there I can
use to do Markov modelling? I would appreciate any help in this as I am
completely out of my depth in this question.

Thank you very much and once again my apologies for asking this question in
this forum.

George
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Chris Mitchell | 12 Aug 2012 00:32
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Re: [Biopython] Markov modelling

Hi George,

A few things I would do:
1) Make a spare dataset by randomly selecting a subset of your data to
visualize.  Just blindly fitting the data points to any distribution
usually doesn't end well.
2) Find a copy of Numerical Recipes and read up on fitting data/modeling.
 There is a good section on Markov Models and other fitting routines.
3) Think about what you are trying to fit.  Is the process generating the
data a Poisson Process?  What sort of equation should be used to model it,
and what do the extracted parameters mean in relation to your data?  Start
with the simplest model you can explain (linear) and add/change parameters
only if you can justify it.

Chris

On Sat, Aug 11, 2012 at 5:37 PM, George Devaniranjan <devaniranjan <at> gmail.com
> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I am sorry, I know this is not the appropriate forum for asking this
> question but I am not sure which is, so please pardon me for asking this
> here.
> Any help in this matter would be much appreciated.
>
> I have some data that is quite large and I wish to find the relationship
> between them but doing it by visual inspection is not possible.
> I was told maybe Markov modelling might help.
> My question is, is there a simple modelling tool that is out there I can
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George Devaniranjan | 12 Aug 2012 04:03
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Re: [Biopython] Markov modelling

Thank you very much Chris--I will read the numerical recipes.

I should have explained more about the data.

I extracted unique 5 mer patterns of amino acids from a database and look
at their secondary structures.

I want to know is there a relationship between the amino acid sequence and
the secondary structure.

This is the reason I thought Markov modelling might give me some ideas.

On Sat, Aug 11, 2012 at 6:32 PM, Chris Mitchell <chris.mit7 <at> gmail.com>wrote:

> Hi George,
>
> A few things I would do:
> 1) Make a spare dataset by randomly selecting a subset of your data to
> visualize.  Just blindly fitting the data points to any distribution
> usually doesn't end well.
> 2) Find a copy of Numerical Recipes and read up on fitting data/modeling.
>  There is a good section on Markov Models and other fitting routines.
> 3) Think about what you are trying to fit.  Is the process generating the
> data a Poisson Process?  What sort of equation should be used to model it,
> and what do the extracted parameters mean in relation to your data?  Start
> with the simplest model you can explain (linear) and add/change parameters
> only if you can justify it.
>
> Chris
>
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Frederico Moraes Ferreira | 13 Aug 2012 20:21
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Re: [Biopython] Markov modelling

Hi George,
That's not exactly a simple modelling tool, but you can give a try to the HMMER
(http://hmmer.janelia.org). It comes with very good tutorials on Markov modelling.
Best,
Fred

Em 11-08-2012 18:37, George Devaniranjan escreveu:
> Hi,
>
> I am sorry, I know this is not the appropriate forum for asking this
> question but I am not sure which is, so please pardon me for asking this
> here.
> Any help in this matter would be much appreciated.
>
> I have some data that is quite large and I wish to find the relationship
> between them but doing it by visual inspection is not possible.
> I was told maybe Markov modelling might help.
> My question is, is there a simple modelling tool that is out there I can
> use to do Markov modelling? I would appreciate any help in this as I am
> completely out of my depth in this question.
>
> Thank you very much and once again my apologies for asking this question in
> this forum.
>
> George
> _______________________________________________
> Biopython mailing list  -  Biopython <at> lists.open-bio.org
> http://lists.open-bio.org/mailman/listinfo/biopython
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>
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