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Ganesh Vijayakumar | 15 Jul 23:52

Reg installation procedure from source on Debian unstable

hi !

  I finally completed an installation from source on Debian unstable
using ets 2.8. The instructions that I followed were very similar to
the one for Ubuntu. I had installed the same packages as the ones
listed there.

https://svn.enthought.com/enthought/wiki/Build

However, there exists no place to include this information here. Also
the existing links for GENERIC and Debian Etch seem to be dead. Can
someone update this ? I could help.

ganesh
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Gael Varoquaux | 16 Jul 04:45

Re: Reg installation procedure from source on Debian unstable

On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 03:26:05AM +0530, Ganesh Vijayakumar wrote:
> https://svn.enthought.com/enthought/wiki/Build

> However, there exists no place to include this information here. Also
> the existing links for GENERIC and Debian Etch seem to be dead. Can
> someone update this ? I could help.

Yes you can help. This is a wiki, you are welcome to open up an account
create the missing pages and edit the existing pages to put the
information up to date. You should follow the guidelines on
https://svn.enthought.com/enthought/wiki/Install/InstructionGuidelines to
do this.

This would be a great help. The different developpers and knowledgeable
people are having a hard time both udating these pages and working on the
development. Any effort you put in improving the wiki is a very valuable
contribution.

Thanks,

Gaël
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Dave Peterson | 16 Jul 18:16

Re: Reg installation procedure from source on Debian unstable

Gael Varoquaux wrote:
On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 03:26:05AM +0530, Ganesh Vijayakumar wrote:
https://svn.enthought.com/enthought/wiki/Build
However, there exists no place to include this information here. Also the existing links for GENERIC and Debian Etch seem to be dead. Can someone update this ? I could help.
Yes you can help. This is a wiki, you are welcome to open up an account create the missing pages and edit the existing pages to put the information up to date. You should follow the guidelines on https://svn.enthought.com/enthought/wiki/Install/InstructionGuidelines to do this. This would be a great help. The different developpers and knowledgeable people are having a hard time both udating these pages and working on the development. Any effort you put in improving the wiki is a very valuable contribution. Thanks, Gaël

Yes, please do help!  Lots of people would greatly appreciate it!  Even if you don't completely finish it or get it 100% right, having something started encourages more people to edit. :-)   If you have any problems figuring out how to get the right operations on the wiki, feel free to contact me directly.

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Ganesh Vijayakumar | 16 Jul 21:09

Re: Reg installation procedure from source on Debian unstable

hi !

On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 9:46 PM, Dave Peterson <dpeterson@...> wrote:

> Yes, please do help!  Lots of people would greatly appreciate it!  Even if
> you don't completely finish it or get it 100% right, having something
> started encourages more people to edit. :-)   If you have any problems
> figuring out how to get the right operations on the wiki, feel free to
> contact me directly.
>

oh thanks.. ! I updated the "install from source" page to include the
installation instructions for Debian "Sid". I just copied the page
from Ubuntu and changed ets 2.7.1 to ets 2.8 because that was the one
that worked on my system.

Any pointers on where to start fixing bugs ? I looked at the list of
open tickets for Chaco2. Seems pretty long. Can people point me to
easy ones for a start ? (I studied the Traits documentation and went
thro the Chaco2 examples and made 1 or 2 of my own.)

ganesh
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Dave Peterson | 16 Jul 22:54

Re: Reg installation procedure from source on Debian unstable

Ganesh Vijayakumar wrote:
hi ! On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 9:46 PM, Dave Peterson <dpeterson-SCgzsaguwNrby3iVrkZq2A@public.gmane.org> wrote:
Yes, please do help! Lots of people would greatly appreciate it! Even if you don't completely finish it or get it 100% right, having something started encourages more people to edit. :-) If you have any problems figuring out how to get the right operations on the wiki, feel free to contact me directly.
oh thanks.. ! I updated the "install from source" page to include the installation instructions for Debian "Sid". I just copied the page from Ubuntu and changed ets 2.7.1 to ets 2.8 because that was the one that worked on my system.

Awesome, thanks so much!   I noticed at the header of the "Sid" page that you point out that certain ETS related projects are in the system repo.  Is it possible to install full ETS from these?  It doesn't look like it but I thought I'd ask.   If so, any chance you want to write up a Debian Sid page for the install section? :-)


Any pointers on where to start fixing bugs ? I looked at the list of open tickets for Chaco2. Seems pretty long. Can people point me to easy ones for a start ? (I studied the Traits documentation and went thro the Chaco2 examples and made 1 or 2 of my own.)

I wish I knew more about the roadmap for Chaco so I could do that for you.  I think you'll need Peter Wang to chime in here.  That said, if you think your examples would be useful for others to learn Chaco, you might start out by submitting a patch to get them added into the tree.

-- Dave

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David Arnold | 16 Jul 23:32

Mac OS X beta update

Dave,

How will we know when the update for the Mac OS X beta is ready? Will  
it be announced on this list?

D.
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Dave Peterson | 16 Jul 23:42

Re: Mac OS X beta update

Hi D.

Generally, no, this list is not the support nor announcement forum for 
EPD.   It is for discussion about ETS and it's sub-projects such as 
Traits, Envisage, Chaco, Enable, SciMath, BlockCanvas, etc.

We do have an enthought-announce mailing list which we will e-mail EPD 
release announcements too.  In the past, we've announced it via our 
blog, product page, and python-announce mailing list (but the latter is 
moderated and may not be immediate.)  We have also asked for beta 
testers on this and other "scientific python" mailing lists but that 
shouldn't be relied on for all EPD announcements.

-- Dave

David Arnold wrote:
> Dave,
>
> How will we know when the update for the Mac OS X beta is ready? Will  
> it be announced on this list?
>
> D.
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Peter Wang | 17 Jul 00:39

Re: Mac OS X beta update

On Jul 16, 2008, at 4:42 PM, Dave Peterson wrote:

> Hi D.
> Generally, no, this list is not the support nor announcement forum for
> EPD.   It is for discussion about ETS and it's sub-projects such as
> Traits, Envisage, Chaco, Enable, SciMath, BlockCanvas, etc.

Is there any particular reason why we wouldn't/shouldn't make EPD- 
related announcements to enthought-dev?

-Peter
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Dave Peterson | 17 Jul 00:44

Re: Mac OS X beta update

Peter Wang wrote:
On Jul 16, 2008, at 4:42 PM, Dave Peterson wrote:
Hi D. Generally, no, this list is not the support nor announcement forum for EPD. It is for discussion about ETS and it's sub-projects such as Traits, Envisage, Chaco, Enable, SciMath, BlockCanvas, etc.
Is there any particular reason why we wouldn't/shouldn't make EPD- related announcements to enthought-dev?

I don't think it's quite right to start a trend of having EPD related issues on this mailing list is all.  I think a reasonable proportion of the ETS OSS community might feel it would be noise.   I'm willing to be convinced otherwise though. :-)

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Chris Casey | 17 Jul 01:16

Re: Mac OS X beta update

I actually just assumed this list was a good place for EPD talk, as EPD
is developed by enthought, the name of the list is enthought-dev, etc...
If not, perhaps the time has come to create an epd-dev list?

-Chris

On Wed, 2008-07-16 at 17:44 -0500, Dave Peterson wrote:
> Peter Wang wrote: 
> > On Jul 16, 2008, at 4:42 PM, Dave Peterson wrote:
> > 
> >   
> > > Hi D.
> > > Generally, no, this list is not the support nor announcement forum for
> > > EPD.   It is for discussion about ETS and it's sub-projects such as
> > > Traits, Envisage, Chaco, Enable, SciMath, BlockCanvas, etc.
> > >     
> > 
> > Is there any particular reason why we wouldn't/shouldn't make EPD- 
> > related announcements to enthought-dev?
> >   
> 
> I don't think it's quite right to start a trend of having EPD related
> issues on this mailing list is all.  I think a reasonable proportion
> of the ETS OSS community might feel it would be noise.   I'm willing
> to be convinced otherwise though. :-)
> 
> -- Dave
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Dave Peterson | 17 Jul 01:35

Re: Mac OS X beta update


Chris Casey wrote:
> I actually just assumed this list was a good place for EPD talk, as EPD
> is developed by enthought, the name of the list is enthought-dev, etc...
> If not, perhaps the time has come to create an epd-dev list?
>   

Clearly I'm already getting push-back and no support.   So how about 
this then.  If conversation naturally comes here without anyone 
complaining, I'm not going to purposefully squelch it.  We can let it 
evolve as it naturally does. 

BTW: I've documented where notifications will go on EPD releases on the 
EPD Trac wiki.  I will try to keep that sort of info up-to-date on the wiki.

-- Dave
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Gael Varoquaux | 17 Jul 05:38

Re: Mac OS X beta update

On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 06:35:27PM -0500, Dave Peterson wrote:
> Clearly I'm already getting push-back and no support.   So how about 
> this then.  If conversation naturally comes here without anyone 
> complaining, I'm not going to purposefully squelch it.  We can let it 
> evolve as it naturally does. 

No, Dave, I am +1 along side with you. we need to market ETS as an
open-source project of its own, with it's own life, trac, mailing-list
and what-so. We don't want ETS to appear as a bunch of random extentions
of enthought in the open-source world. And above that EPD is not open
source.

Gaël
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Alexander Michael | 17 Jul 20:15

Re: Mac OS X beta update

On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 11:38 PM, Gael Varoquaux
<gael.varoquaux@...> wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 06:35:27PM -0500, Dave Peterson wrote:
>> Clearly I'm already getting push-back and no support.   So how about
>> this then.  If conversation naturally comes here without anyone
>> complaining, I'm not going to purposefully squelch it.  We can let it
>> evolve as it naturally does.
>
> No, Dave, I am +1 along side with you. we need to market ETS as an
> open-source project of its own, with it's own life, trac, mailing-list
> and what-so. We don't want ETS to appear as a bunch of random extentions
> of enthought in the open-source world. And above that EPD is not open
> source.

I'm with Gaël. IMHO EPD is a very different beast from ETS and should
be kept separate and distinct (i.e. it happens to include ETS but is
not the preferred way to get ETS nor should it serve as the official
release of ETS).
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Fernando Perez | 18 Jul 01:42

Re: Mac OS X beta update

On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 11:15 AM, Alexander Michael
<lxander.m@...> wrote:

> I'm with Gaël. IMHO EPD is a very different beast from ETS and should
> be kept separate and distinct (i.e. it happens to include ETS but is
> not the preferred way to get ETS nor should it serve as the official
> release of ETS).

Just to clarify, the only thing at least *I* was asking for was for
simple announcements to be made in the 'usual  suspects' lists (here,
numpy/scipy) to keep people in the loop.  Nothing more.  Just like
pythonxy mentions new releases, or occasionally John Hunter and I do
it for major mpl/ipython ones.  It doesn't need to create unnecessary
discussion and helps keep in the loop people who are already drowning
in mailing lists and don't want to subscribe to special -announce
ones.

That doesn't sound unreasonable to me, but perhaps I'm just missing something.

Cheers,

f
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Gael Varoquaux | 18 Jul 01:45

Re: Mac OS X beta update

On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 04:42:31PM -0700, Fernando Perez wrote:
> That doesn't sound unreasonable to me, but perhaps I'm just missing something.

I agree with you two. And I agree with the difference you are making
between discussions and announcements.

Gaël

PS: why am I sending an email while Fernando is sitting next to me?
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David Arnold | 18 Jul 01:47

Mac OS X Beta 2?

All,

Any news on the Beta 2 for the Mac OS X?

David.
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Dave Peterson | 18 Jul 01:53

Re: Mac OS X Beta 2?

Working on it.  Not quite ready yet, sorry. :-(

-- Dave

David Arnold wrote:
> All,
>
> Any news on the Beta 2 for the Mac OS X?
>
> David.
>
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Fernando Perez | 17 Jul 01:29

Re: Mac OS X beta update

On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 3:44 PM, Dave Peterson <dpeterson@...> wrote:
> Peter Wang wrote:
>
> On Jul 16, 2008, at 4:42 PM, Dave Peterson wrote:
>
>
>
> Hi D.
> Generally, no, this list is not the support nor announcement forum for
> EPD.   It is for discussion about ETS and it's sub-projects such as
> Traits, Envisage, Chaco, Enable, SciMath, BlockCanvas, etc.
>
>
> Is there any particular reason why we wouldn't/shouldn't make EPD-
> related announcements to enthought-dev?
>
>
> I don't think it's quite right to start a trend of having EPD related issues
> on this mailing list is all.  I think a reasonable proportion of the ETS OSS
> community might feel it would be noise.   I'm willing to be convinced
> otherwise though. :-)

If not full discussion, at least please keep a quick CC of the release
announcements here or on the numpy/scipy lists, to ensure we all catch
it (feel free to prepend a bold disclaimer that full discussion is to
take place elsewhere).

Cheers,

f
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