13 Apr 2011 01:59
13 Apr 2011 02:16
Re: Talking of updates to IDLE
Bruce Sherwood <Bruce_Sherwood <at> ncsu.edu>
2011-04-13 00:16:11 GMT
2011-04-13 00:16:11 GMT
As far as I know, no. It's a good example of the very slow pace of making changes. The VIDLE work was completed by Guilherme Polo in the 2009 Google Summer of Code, in a Python-community sanctioned project, and Guido has given his blessing to the changes, but the process for getting changes into the standard IDLE distribution remains opaque and glacial. I gather it isn't anyone's "fault", and people are busy, but somehow IDLE is an orphan in comparison with other aspects of Python. Bruce Sherwood On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 5:59 PM, phil jones <interstar <at> gmail.com> wrote: > Did the VIDLE changes and fixes ever get back into normal IDLE? > > > phil > _______________________________________________ > IDLE-dev mailing list > IDLE-dev <at> python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/idle-dev >
13 Apr 2011 03:20
Re: Talking of updates to IDLE
Ned Deily <nad <at> acm.org>
2011-04-13 01:20:44 GMT
2011-04-13 01:20:44 GMT
In article <BANLkTinyoVcZ9nPHMKXZYMOac0YR6RbxUg <at> mail.gmail.com>, Bruce Sherwood <Bruce_Sherwood <at> ncsu.edu> wrote: > As far as I know, no. It's a good example of the very slow pace of > making changes. The VIDLE work was completed by Guilherme Polo in the > 2009 Google Summer of Code, in a Python-community sanctioned project, > and Guido has given his blessing to the changes, but the process for > getting changes into the standard IDLE distribution remains opaque and > glacial. I gather it isn't anyone's "fault", and people are busy, but > somehow IDLE is an orphan in comparison with other aspects of Python. It's not so much opaque as it is time-consuming and a fair amount of work. I promised to review them and get them in and I'm still intending to do that. I'm sorry it's taking this long. For one thing, getting the 3.2 release out the door turned got in the way. The fixes themselves need work to be upgraded to the latest releases and then there is testing that needs to be done on all platforms. If anyone is willing to help out with the testing, especially experienced Windows users of IDLE, it would be a great to have your help when ready. -- -- Ned Deily, nad <at> acm.org
13 Apr 2011 04:37
Re: Talking of updates to IDLE
Tal Einat <taleinat <at> gmail.com>
2011-04-13 02:37:44 GMT
2011-04-13 02:37:44 GMT
I would be willing to help with testing, and have quite some experience with testing IDLE.
On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 4:20 AM, Ned Deily <nad <at> acm.org> wrote:
In article <BANLkTinyoVcZ9nPHMKXZYMOac0YR6RbxUg <at> mail.gmail.com>,Bruce Sherwood <Bruce_Sherwood <at> ncsu.edu> wrote:It's not so much opaque as it is time-consuming and a fair amount of
> As far as I know, no. It's a good example of the very slow pace of
> making changes. The VIDLE work was completed by Guilherme Polo in the
> 2009 Google Summer of Code, in a Python-community sanctioned project,
> and Guido has given his blessing to the changes, but the process for
> getting changes into the standard IDLE distribution remains opaque and
> glacial. I gather it isn't anyone's "fault", and people are busy, but
> somehow IDLE is an orphan in comparison with other aspects of Python.
work. I promised to review them and get them in and I'm still intending
to do that. I'm sorry it's taking this long. For one thing, getting
the 3.2 release out the door turned got in the way. The fixes
themselves need work to be upgraded to the latest releases and then
there is testing that needs to be done on all platforms. If anyone is
willing to help out with the testing, especially experienced Windows
users of IDLE, it would be a great to have your help when ready.
--
Ned Deily,
nad <at> acm.org
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13 Apr 2011 09:24
Re: Talking of updates to IDLE
phelix <nabble <at> traction.de>
2011-04-13 07:24:26 GMT
2011-04-13 07:24:26 GMT
> If anyone is > willing to help out with the testing, especially experienced Windows > users of IDLE, it would be a great to have your help when ready. windows user, willing to test -- -- View this message in context: http://old.nabble.com/Talking-of-updates-to-IDLE-tp31383770p31385488.html Sent from the Python - idle-dev mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
13 Apr 2011 10:20
Re: Talking of updates to IDLE
phil jones <interstar <at> gmail.com>
2011-04-13 08:20:12 GMT
2011-04-13 08:20:12 GMT
I'd be willing to help with testing of IDLE on Ubuntu if there's a need for that. Is there a document (say a wiki page somewhere) which tells us what / how to test? phil On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 8:24 AM, phelix <nabble <at> traction.de> wrote: > >> If anyone is >> willing to help out with the testing, especially experienced Windows >> users of IDLE, it would be a great to have your help when ready. > windows user, willing to test > -- > View this message in context: http://old.nabble.com/Talking-of-updates-to-IDLE-tp31383770p31385488.html > Sent from the Python - idle-dev mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > _______________________________________________ > IDLE-dev mailing list > IDLE-dev <at> python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/idle-dev >
14 Apr 2011 00:36
Re: Talking of updates to IDLE
Ned Deily <nad <at> acm.org>
2011-04-13 22:36:14 GMT
2011-04-13 22:36:14 GMT
In article <BANLkTimd8hjpTUgusUS=1od7en1J8SjJUg <at> mail.gmail.com>, phil jones <interstar <at> gmail.com> wrote: > I'd be willing to help with testing of IDLE on Ubuntu if there's a > need for that. Is there a document (say a wiki page somewhere) which > tells us what / how to test? Not that I'm aware of. Perhaps someone else knows of something? Writing some test session recipes would be a good start towards repeatable and possibly more automated testing. And thanks all for the testing offers. -- -- Ned Deily, nad <at> acm.org
15 Apr 2011 01:32
Re: Talking of updates to IDLE
Tal Einat <taleinat <at> gmail.com>
2011-04-14 23:32:13 GMT
2011-04-14 23:32:13 GMT
The problem is that what one should test depends highly on what changes have been made. This is true always in the absence of a test suite, I guess. My point is that I can think of quite a few "testing recipes" but their coverage would be rather low, so I'm not sure how useful they would be.
Also, the ability to write tests when fixing bugs which make sure the bugs stay fixed is IMO a basic requirement. Doing this with recipes would make quickly make testing too time consuming.
Perhaps tests written with something like Sikuli?
- Tal
Also, the ability to write tests when fixing bugs which make sure the bugs stay fixed is IMO a basic requirement. Doing this with recipes would make quickly make testing too time consuming.
Perhaps tests written with something like Sikuli?
- Tal
On Thu, Apr 14, 2011 at 1:36 AM, Ned Deily <nad <at> acm.org> wrote:
In article <BANLkTimd8hjpTUgusUS=1od7en1J8SjJUg <at> mail.gmail.com>,phil jones <interstar <at> gmail.com> wrote:
> I'd be willing to help with testing of IDLE on Ubuntu if there's aNot that I'm aware of. Perhaps someone else knows of something? Writing
> need for that. Is there a document (say a wiki page somewhere) which
> tells us what / how to test?
some test session recipes would be a good start towards repeatable and
possibly more automated testing.
And thanks all for the testing offers.
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15 Apr 2011 03:06
Re: Talking of updates to IDLE
Terry Reedy <tjreedy <at> udel.edu>
2011-04-15 01:06:25 GMT
2011-04-15 01:06:25 GMT
On 4/14/2011 7:32 PM, Tal Einat wrote: > Perhaps tests written with something like Sikuli <http://sikuli.org/>? I have thought of that too. I just found this page: http://sikuli.org/docx/faq/020-unit-test.html -- -- Terry Jan Reedy
13 Apr 2011 02:23
Re: Talking of updates to IDLE
Tal Einat <taleinat <at> gmail.com>
2011-04-13 00:23:32 GMT
2011-04-13 00:23:32 GMT
Unfortunately, no.
I volunteered to do so about six months ago, but ended up not be able to free the time required.
If anyone else wants to do this, go ahead, I haven't even made any significant progress :(
I volunteered to do so about six months ago, but ended up not be able to free the time required.
If anyone else wants to do this, go ahead, I haven't even made any significant progress :(
On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 2:59 AM, phil jones <interstar <at> gmail.com> wrote:
Did the VIDLE changes and fixes ever get back into normal IDLE?
phil
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