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Amit Aronovitch | 30 Jan 2012 17:10
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hosting the wiki

Hi,

Following a two week downtime period in December, I had moved the python-il wiki from its previous hosting on hexten.net to a private server (small node in Amazon's eu-west), where it is still hosted. (Note that we also have a static site on Hamakor, which we can edit, but we are not free to install any software we wish there).

Due to the spam attack that preceded this downtime, I had also disabled self-service-account-creation for a while.
After some cleanup, I have re-enabled auto account creation, but it now requires a CAPTCHA / voice challenge (I do not like it, and I know there are ways to bypass it, but it seems like the minimal-effort working solution to the current problem).

Seems like the Amazon hosting costs about 70$/month, which is not cheap.
 Since I do not currently use this server for any other purpose: any idea for alternative/free/cheaper option?

    AA

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Arik Baratz | 30 Jan 2012 17:41

Re: hosting the wiki

I have a hosting account (shared) with Dreamhost (US) with ample extra space. If you volunteer to set up the wiki there I can give you access.

-- Arik

On 30 January 2012 18:10, Amit Aronovitch <aronovitch <at> gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,

Following a two week downtime period in December, I had moved the python-il wiki from its previous hosting on hexten.net to a private server (small node in Amazon's eu-west), where it is still hosted. (Note that we also have a static site on Hamakor, which we can edit, but we are not free to install any software we wish there).

Due to the spam attack that preceded this downtime, I had also disabled self-service-account-creation for a while.
After some cleanup, I have re-enabled auto account creation, but it now requires a CAPTCHA / voice challenge (I do not like it, and I know there are ways to bypass it, but it seems like the minimal-effort working solution to the current problem).

Seems like the Amazon hosting costs about 70$/month, which is not cheap.
 Since I do not currently use this server for any other purpose: any idea for alternative/free/cheaper option?

    AA

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Gabor Szabo | 30 Jan 2012 17:41
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Re: hosting the wiki

On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 6:10 PM, Amit Aronovitch <aronovitch <at> gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Following a two week downtime period in December, I had moved the python-il
> wiki from its previous hosting on hexten.net to a private server (small node
> in Amazon's eu-west), where it is still hosted. (Note that we also have a
> static site on Hamakor, which we can edit, but we are not free to install
> any software we wish there).
>
> Due to the spam attack that preceded this downtime, I had also disabled
> self-service-account-creation for a while.
> After some cleanup, I have re-enabled auto account creation, but it now
> requires a CAPTCHA / voice challenge (I do not like it, and I know there are
> ways to bypass it, but it seems like the minimal-effort working solution to
> the current problem).
>
> Seems like the Amazon hosting costs about 70$/month, which is not cheap.
>  Since I do not currently use this server for any other purpose: any idea
> for alternative/free/cheaper option?

I have been using http://www.linode.com/ for a while and slowly
switching over my sites.
They give you a small VPS for $20/month.
There you can install whatever you'd like.

Gabor
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Yishai Beeri | 30 Jan 2012 17:28

Re: hosting the wiki

Won't a micro node in Amazon suffice? This can be had for free (first  
year).

On Mon, 30 Jan 2012 18:10:06 +0200, Amit Aronovitch <aronovitch <at> gmail.com>  
wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Following a two week downtime period in December, I had moved the  
> python-il
> wiki <http://wiki.python.org.il/Main_Page> from its previous hosting on
> hexten.net to a private server (small node in Amazon's eu-west), where it
> is still hosted. (Note that we also have a static site on Hamakor, which  
> we
> can edit, but we are not free to install any software we wish there).
>
> Due to the spam attack that preceded this downtime, I had also disabled
> self-service-account-creation for a while.
> After some cleanup, I have re-enabled auto account creation, but it now
> requires a CAPTCHA / voice challenge (I do not like it, and I know there
> are ways to bypass it, but it seems like the minimal-effort working
> solution to the current problem).
>
> Seems like the Amazon hosting costs about 70$/month, which is not cheap.
>  Since I do not currently use this server for any other purpose: any idea
> for alternative/free/cheaper option?
>
>     AA

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Amit Aronovitch | 1 Feb 2012 01:58
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Re: hosting the wiki

Thanks all, see comments below...

On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 6:28 PM, Yishai Beeri <yishai <at> platonix.com> wrote:
Won't a micro node in Amazon suffice? This can be had for free (first year).


Probably yes.
When I created this node, I had some other plans for it, that I did not yet implement (another wiki and a Sage server).
micro might be good, if I do not manage to follow on Arik's suggestion.

On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 6:41 PM, Arik Baratz <list+python <at> arik.baratz.org> wrote:

> I have a hosting account (shared) with Dreamhost (US) with ample extra space. If you volunteer to set up the wiki there
> I can give you access.

Thanks.
I do not mind setting it up, but getting permission to install some required extra packages on the server was the deal-breaker that finally stopped us from hosting this wiki on Hamakor server last time.

Current configuration of the wiki uses apache + mod_php + MySql (recent versions - I'm not sure what's the minimal requirement). It would be easiest to restore it into a similar environment.
I'll need an account with permissions to set them up (system root if extra packages need to be installed, permissions for apache config for the vhost/redirections, mysql root for creating the python_il account/database/tables).
Also we have to check if the response time is not much worse than current hosting (Ireland. I think Andy's hosting was also in Europe)

If you really do not mind the extra space/bandwidth and extra trustee for such configurations, I'll take that. Otherwise, we can revert to a micro node as Yishai suggested.

   AA

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Arik Baratz | 1 Feb 2012 14:59

Re: hosting the wiki


On 1 February 2012 02:58, Amit Aronovitch <aronovitch <at> gmail.com> wrote:

Thanks.
I do not mind setting it up, but getting permission to install some required extra packages on the server was the deal-breaker that finally stopped us from hosting this wiki on Hamakor server last time.

Current configuration of the wiki uses apache + mod_php + MySql (recent versions - I'm not sure what's the minimal requirement). It would be easiest to restore it into a similar environment.
I'll need an account with permissions to set them up (system root if extra packages need to be installed, permissions for apache config for the vhost/redirections, mysql root for creating the python_il account/database/tables).
Also we have to check if the response time is not much worse than current hosting (Ireland. I think Andy's hosting was also in Europe)

If you really do not mind the extra space/bandwidth and extra trustee for such configurations, I'll take that. Otherwise, we can revert to a micro node as Yishai suggested.

Amit,

DreamHost is a shared hosting provider. They already have apache and mysql installed with mod_php. It's not a bare system. And you can't get root. They do give you access to a single database and space mapped to whatever you want in apache.

If you can't handle setting up a wiki under these conditions (which is very doable) then I don't have another good solution.

-- Arik
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