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Thomas Harte | 23 Sep 22:39

New projects & Byte-Back 2009

Through an uninteresting, indirect route, it seems likely that I'll be  
attending and supplying a Sam for the homebrew area of Byte-Back 2009 (http://byte-back.info/ 
), one of those classic gaming convention thingies, which will occur  
in Stoke-on-Trent on March the 7th and 8th next year. Consequential  
questions:

1) Will anybody else be in attendance?
2) Is anybody willing and able to transfer some of my Sam programs to  
actual Sam floppy in preparation for the event? I guess I'll want to  
take all of my current 3d stuff and maybe another thing that I've just  
started messing around with.
3) Does anybody else have anything I can take along? Obviously the tag  
'homebrew' doesn't mean that much in the Sam world, but in the context  
of all the information available I'm interpreting it just to mean new  
stuff for old hardware.

Steve Parry-Thomas | 23 Sep 22:58

RE: New projects & Byte-Back 2009


Interesting that's on my door step! 

There has been one or two of these in the stoke area that's never quite
happened.

If this one goes ahead, then yes, I could be there with my SAMs and Jupiter
Ace Archive

 
Steve(spt).

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-sam-users@...
[mailto:owner-sam-users@...] On
Behalf Of Thomas Harte
Sent: 23 September 2008 21:40
To: sam-users@...
Subject: New projects & Byte-Back 2009

Through an uninteresting, indirect route, it seems likely that I'll be
attending and supplying a Sam for the homebrew area of Byte-Back 2009
(http://byte-back.info/ ), one of those classic gaming convention thingies,
which will occur in Stoke-on-Trent on March the 7th and 8th next year.
Consequential
questions:

1) Will anybody else be in attendance?
2) Is anybody willing and able to transfer some of my Sam programs to actual
Sam floppy in preparation for the event? I guess I'll want to take all of my

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Thomas Harte | 23 Sep 23:47

Re: New projects & Byte-Back 2009

Oh. Well I've booked a ticket and a hotel room, so I'm hopeful it'll  
go ahead. There certainly seems to be a lot of interest at the Retro  
Gamer forums (http://www.retrogamer.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=10861&highlight=byte 
), and a whole bunch of people from the BBC emulation community are  
planning to go, which is where I heard about it from. Per the Retro  
Gamer forum, the most local hotel is already booked up.

That said, I've never attended or paid that much attention to this  
sort of thing before, so I've absolutely no baseline of interest to  
compare it to. I've only ended up with the offer of a table because I  
posted to the Byte Back forum and asked if homebrewy stuff would be  
welcome. I guess if the show occurs and the offer was genuine, I'll  
probably be in some corner with a Sam, an Electron and a Mac, showing  
my Sam 3d stuff, some Electron stuff as yet unwritten and my OpenGL 3d  
Construction Kit-compatible Freescape implementation. If that makes me  
unofficial custodian of all Sam content in the 'homebrew' corner then  
I'd really love to have more than my momentarily-interesting 3d  
routines to show.

On 23 Sep 2008, at 21:58, Steve Parry-Thomas wrote:

>
> Interesting that's on my door step!
>
> There has been one or two of these in the stoke area that's never  
> quite
> happened.
>
>
> If this one goes ahead, then yes, I could be there with my SAMs and

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Andrew Collier | 23 Sep 23:02

Re: New projects & Byte-Back 2009

On 23 Sep 2008, at 21:40, Thomas Harte wrote:

> Through an uninteresting, indirect route, it seems likely that I'll  
> be attending and supplying a Sam for the homebrew area of Byte-Back  
> 2009 (http://byte-back.info/), one of those classic gaming  
> convention thingies, which will occur in Stoke-on-Trent on March the  
> 7th and 8th next year. Consequential questions:

Interesting link! This was the first I had heard of the show.

> 1) Will anybody else be in attendance?

Possibly?

> 2) Is anybody willing and able to transfer some of my Sam programs  
> to actual Sam floppy in preparation for the event? I guess I'll want  
> to take all of my current 3d stuff and maybe another thing that I've  
> just started messing around with.

Yes, that's easy enough to do.

> 3) Does anybody else have anything I can take along? Obviously the  
> tag 'homebrew' doesn't mean that much in the Sam world, but in the  
> context of all the information available I'm interpreting it just to  
> mean new stuff for old hardware.

Dunno. Maybe. I have a couple of things perpetually on the go, so  
maybe I'll manage to scrape together enough time between now and March  
to finish them up? It's a target to work towards, if nothing else.

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David Brant | 23 Sep 23:38

Re: New projects & Byte-Back 2009


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Thomas Harte" <tomh.retrospec@...>
To: <sam-users@...>
Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 9:40 PM
Subject: New projects & Byte-Back 2009

> Through an uninteresting, indirect route, it seems likely that I'll be 
> attending and supplying a Sam for the homebrew area of Byte-Back 2009 
> (http://byte-back.info/ ), one of those classic gaming convention 
> thingies, which will occur  in Stoke-on-Trent on March the 7th and 8th 
> next year. Consequential  questions:
>
> 1) Will anybody else be in attendance?

Not likely unless I move house. Its a bit too far

> 2) Is anybody willing and able to transfer some of my Sam programs to 
> actual Sam floppy in preparation for the event? I guess I'll want to  take 
> all of my current 3d stuff and maybe another thing that I've just  started 
> messing around with.

Yes no problem.

> 3) Does anybody else have anything I can take along? Obviously the tag 
> 'homebrew' doesn't mean that much in the Sam world, but in the context  of 
> all the information available I'm interpreting it just to mean new  stuff 
> for old hardware.

I'm working on program at the moment, so may have something by then.

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Thomas Harte | 7 Oct 20:25

Re: New projects & Byte-Back 2009

Having further discussed with the organiser of this event, I have  
agreed to supply at least one SAM Coupé for their "The Weird and the  
Woeful" (obviously as an example of weird) section, with a bunch of  
software from its commercial period and maybe a disk or two of modern  
homebrew in addition. Having had a quick check of my floppies, I  
intend to bring the following:

Sam Strikes Out/Futureball
Escape from the Planet of the Robot Monsters
Batz'n'Ballz (though I have no mouse) & Tetris, from the most recent  
Sam Revival
Sphera
Probably some copies of Fred

Obviously this leaves a whole bunch of massive holes in what I can  
show; is anybody able to loan copies of Prince of Persia, Lemmings,  
Defender and anything else particularly worth showing?

Incidentally: the latest on my 3d code is that it's relatively close  
now to just being neat library code. So if you're an assembly coder,  
you'll be able to download it, read a couple of pages of documentation  
and get on with writing a game or whatever. Future internal fixes and  
improvements should benefit any projects built against it but not  
require them to be changed or to have any real knowledge of the  
internals, like all the best libraries. Hopefully some sort of BASIC- 
or-similar language for utilising the code will be forthcoming after  
that.

On 23 Sep 2008, at 22:38, David Brant wrote:

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Steve Parry-Thomas | 7 Oct 20:47

RE: New projects & Byte-Back 2009

I could help as I live not to far away from the venue, I also have a number
of add-ons including Edwin's new Atom lites.. 

Regards 
Steve(spt) 

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-sam-users@...
[mailto:owner-sam-users@...] On
Behalf Of Thomas Harte
Sent: 07 October 2008 19:25
To: sam-users@...
Subject: Re: New projects & Byte-Back 2009

Having further discussed with the organiser of this event, I have agreed to
supply at least one SAM Coupé for their "The Weird and the Woeful"
(obviously as an example of weird) section, with a bunch of software from
its commercial period and maybe a disk or two of modern homebrew in
addition. Having had a quick check of my floppies, I intend to bring the
following:

Sam Strikes Out/Futureball
Escape from the Planet of the Robot Monsters Batz'n'Ballz (though I have no
mouse) & Tetris, from the most recent Sam Revival Sphera Probably some
copies of Fred

Obviously this leaves a whole bunch of massive holes in what I can show; is
anybody able to loan copies of Prince of Persia, Lemmings, Defender and
anything else particularly worth showing?

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Chris Pile | 7 Oct 21:12

{Spam?} Re: New projects & Byte-Back 2009

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Thomas Harte" <tomh.retrospec@...>
To: <sam-users@...>
Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2008 7:25 PM
Subject: Re: New projects & Byte-Back 2009

TH > Obviously this leaves a whole bunch of massive holes in what I can  
TH > show; is anybody able to loan copies of Prince of Persia, Lemmings,  
TH > Defender and anything else particularly worth showing?

I no longer have an original Defender disk - however, you can grab the latest
version from World Of Sam.  Direct link below:

http://www.worldofsam.org/files/active/0/DefenderArcadeConversionUpdated.zip

Doesn't require anything special - just bung it on a floppy!  Please use the "Updated"
version (as linked to above) - as this is closer to the coin-op than previous versions.

Chris...

david | 7 Oct 22:23

Re: New projects & Byte-Back 2009

Quoting Thomas Harte <tomh.retrospec@...>:

> Sam Strikes Out/Futureball
> Escape from the Planet of the Robot Monsters
> Batz'n'Ballz (though I have no mouse) & Tetris, from the most recent
> Sam Revival
> Sphera
> Probably some copies of Fred
>
> Obviously this leaves a whole bunch of massive holes in what I can
> show; is anybody able to loan copies of Prince of Persia, Lemmings,
> Defender and anything else particularly worth showing?

Manic Miner!

Defender!

Stratosphere!

Thomas Harte | 7 Oct 22:35

Re: New projects & Byte-Back 2009

Oh gosh, I've just realised how that reads! To be clear: I consider  
the massive holes to be obvious, "Prince of Persia, Lemmings,  
Defender" to be a subset of the obvious list, and I intended "anything  
else particularly worth showing" to be a request for impressive titles  
that may not be obvious. I certainly didn't mean to imply, and  
definitely don't believe, that Prince of Persia, Lemmings and Defender  
are the complete list of Sam titles that I subjectively consider to be  
worth showing.

On 7 Oct 2008, at 21:23, david@... wrote:

> Quoting Thomas Harte <tomh.retrospec@...>:
>
>
>> Sam Strikes Out/Futureball
>> Escape from the Planet of the Robot Monsters
>> Batz'n'Ballz (though I have no mouse) & Tetris, from the most recent
>> Sam Revival
>> Sphera
>> Probably some copies of Fred
>>
>> Obviously this leaves a whole bunch of massive holes in what I can
>> show; is anybody able to loan copies of Prince of Persia, Lemmings,
>> Defender and anything else particularly worth showing?
>
> Manic Miner!
>
> Defender!
>
> Stratosphere!

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david | 7 Oct 23:16

Re: New projects & Byte-Back 2009

Quoting Thomas Harte <tomh.retrospec@...>:

> Oh gosh, I've just realised how that reads! To be clear: I consider the
> massive holes to be obvious, "Prince of Persia, Lemmings, Defender" to
> be a subset of the obvious list, and I intended "anything else
> particularly worth showing" to be a request for impressive titles that
> may not be obvious. I certainly didn't mean to imply, and definitely
> don't believe, that Prince of Persia, Lemmings and Defender are the
> complete list of Sam titles that I subjectively consider to be worth
> showing.

Although they are good ones :)

Simon Owen | 8 Oct 09:11

Re: New projects & Byte-Back 2009

Thomas Harte wrote:
> is anybody able to loan copies of Prince of Persia, Lemmings, Defender
> and anything else particularly worth showing?

I'm planning to go to the show too, so I should be able to bring any
software (or even extra hardware) you need.  I've got a SAM In A Can
too, with Quazar Surround, SID interface and Atom Lite , if that'd
complement a traditional SAM machine on show?

Si

david | 8 Oct 09:27

Re: New projects & Byte-Back 2009

Quoting Simon Owen <simon.owen@...>:

> Thomas Harte wrote:
>> is anybody able to loan copies of Prince of Persia, Lemmings, Defender
>> and anything else particularly worth showing?
>
> I'm planning to go to the show too, so I should be able to bring any
> software (or even extra hardware) you need.  I've got a SAM In A Can
> too, with Quazar Surround, SID interface and Atom Lite , if that'd
> complement a traditional SAM machine on show?
>
> Si
>
>

Where / when is it - as I happen to have one as well ;)

Thomas Harte | 8 Oct 10:54

Re: New projects & Byte-Back 2009

Stoke-on-Trent, on the 7th and 8th of March 2009. The website is here:
http://www.byte-back.info/

Tickets are currently £10, but the website implies they'll become more
expensive at some later date. The website forum is a bit dead, but
there seems to be lots of interest in other UK-oriented retroy forums
around the net.

On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 8:27 AM,  <david@...> wrote:
> Quoting Simon Owen <simon.owen@...>:
>
>> Thomas Harte wrote:
>>>
>>> is anybody able to loan copies of Prince of Persia, Lemmings, Defender
>>> and anything else particularly worth showing?
>>
>> I'm planning to go to the show too, so I should be able to bring any
>> software (or even extra hardware) you need.  I've got a SAM In A Can
>> too, with Quazar Surround, SID interface and Atom Lite , if that'd
>> complement a traditional SAM machine on show?
>>
>> Si
>>
>>
>
> Where / when is it - as I happen to have one as well ;)
>
>

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Geoff Winkless | 8 Oct 11:04

Re: New projects & Byte-Back 2009

On Wed, 8 Oct 2008 09:54:31 +0100, "Thomas Harte"
<tomh.retrospec@...> wrote:
> Stoke-on-Trent, on the 7th and 8th of March 2009. The website is here:
> http://www.byte-back.info/
> 
> Tickets are currently £10, but the website implies they'll become more
> expensive at some later date. 

Seriously? _more_ than a tenner?

"Come and see a 25 year old Outrun cabinet (which you wouldn't even pay to
play in the arcade any more) and watch as a middle-aged baldy tries to
pretend he's Eric Clapton."

A tenner would be the _upper_ end of what I'd expect to pay, unless the
website isn't doing justice to the event.

Geoff

Thomas Harte | 8 Oct 11:15

Re: New projects & Byte-Back 2009

I'm not sure that I disagree. Furthermore, I don't even like the real
Eric Clapton.

However, I have already booked myself a ticket.

On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 10:04 AM, Geoff Winkless <sam-users@...> wrote:
> On Wed, 8 Oct 2008 09:54:31 +0100, "Thomas Harte"
> <tomh.retrospec@...> wrote:
>> Stoke-on-Trent, on the 7th and 8th of March 2009. The website is here:
>> http://www.byte-back.info/
>>
>> Tickets are currently £10, but the website implies they'll become more
>> expensive at some later date.
>
> Seriously? _more_ than a tenner?
>
> "Come and see a 25 year old Outrun cabinet (which you wouldn't even pay to
> play in the arcade any more) and watch as a middle-aged baldy tries to
> pretend he's Eric Clapton."
>
> A tenner would be the _upper_ end of what I'd expect to pay, unless the
> website isn't doing justice to the event.
>
> Geoff
>
>

Steve Parry-Thomas | 8 Oct 13:23

RE: New projects & Byte-Back 2009

I agree with Geoff, I'm holding back as I know the venue and how hard it is
to park your car in that area of Stoke.

Its not in the best part of Stoke, £5.00 would have been ok, a £10 or more?
You will not be getting very much for your £10.

I have offered to some the Jupiter Ace Archive and my SAMs which I would do
for free, But they also want me to buy a ticket before I can show the
machines.
(I would have to hire a car to get to the venue, I dont have a car any
more, plus car parking, plus ticket, food and beer its looking like a bit
more than a tenner)

Steve(spt)

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-sam-users@...
[mailto:owner-sam-users@...] On
Behalf Of Geoff Winkless
Sent: 08 October 2008 10:05
To: sam-users@...
Subject: Re: New projects & Byte-Back 2009

On Wed, 8 Oct 2008 09:54:31 +0100, "Thomas Harte"
<tomh.retrospec@...> wrote:
> Stoke-on-Trent, on the 7th and 8th of March 2009. The website is here:
> http://www.byte-back.info/
> 
> Tickets are currently £10, but the website implies they'll become more

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Geoff Winkless | 8 Oct 13:52

RE: New projects & Byte-Back 2009

On Wed, 8 Oct 2008 12:23:47 +0100, "Steve Parry-Thomas"
<morrigancp@...> wrote:
> Its not in the best part of Stoke, £5.00 would have been ok, a £10 or
> more?  You will not be getting very much for your £10.

CeBit - taking place on the same dates, is that some sort of insane joke? -
is only €33. Compare and contrast.

> (I would have to hire a car to get to the venue, I dont have a car any
> more, plus car parking, plus ticket, food and beer its looking like a bit
> more than a tenner)

I'm sure someone could sort out carshare or something, can't they? Who's
going?

> But they also want me to buy a ticket before I can show the machines.

It's stupid that they expect exhibitors to pay: stallholders who are trying
to sell something should be expected to contribute to the costs of the show
but hobbyist exhibitors are surely adding to the attraction, aren't they?

They expect you to charge per game of Manic Miner, perhaps...

Like you, I'd expect £5 or so for something on this scale. It's probably
unreasonable but past experience of these events tells me that what I
personally get out of it isn't really worth much more than that (unless
Simon Goodwin will come out for a curry again *lol*). 

Certainly if I turned up and they asked for more on the door I'd be very
tempted to walk away and spend my money at the local Grosvenor instead. I'd

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Andy Chandler | 8 Oct 14:05

Re[2]: New projects & Byte-Back 2009

Agreed. More than tenner would seem a bit high, depending on what they
had planned.

They are selling the ticket as a Weekend-Entry-Pass so that gets you in
both days, but it's not like it's a festival so you'd likely only go to one of
the two days, so they should have a one-day-only ticket on offer as well really.

Wednesday, October 8, 2008, 10:04:42 AM, you wrote:

Geoff> On Wed, 8 Oct 2008 09:54:31 +0100, "Thomas Harte"
Geoff> <tomh.retrospec@...> wrote:
>> Stoke-on-Trent, on the 7th and 8th of March 2009. The website is here:
>> http://www.byte-back.info/
>> 
>> Tickets are currently £10, but the website implies they'll become more
>> expensive at some later date. 

Geoff> Seriously? _more_ than a tenner?

Geoff> "Come and see a 25 year old Outrun cabinet (which you wouldn't even pay to
Geoff> play in the arcade any more) and watch as a middle-aged baldy tries to
Geoff> pretend he's Eric Clapton."

Geoff> A tenner would be the _upper_ end of what I'd expect to pay, unless the
Geoff> website isn't doing justice to the event.

Geoff> Geoff

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