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headers Melvin Carvalho | 29 Jan 2012 18:26

I think this may have come up before

But a way to express something similar to the ubiquitous facebook like
or google +1

foaf : likes

Good idea / Bad Idea?

On 29 January 2012 18:26, Melvin Carvalho
<melvincarvalho@...> wrote:
> I think this may have come up before
>
> But a way to express something similar to the ubiquitous facebook like
> or google +1
>
> foaf : likes
>
> Good idea / Bad Idea?

I likes it...

Dan

On 12-01-29 at 06:26pm, Melvin Carvalho wrote:
> I think this may have come up before

Yes, apparently so: 
http://lists.foaf-project.org/pipermail/foaf-protocols/2010-May/002504.html

> But a way to express something similar to the ubiquitous facebook like 
> or google +1
> 
> foaf : likes
> 
> Good idea / Bad Idea?

Might make sense to add *both* "likes" and "dislikes".  But I see no
good use for Facebook-style one-sided emphasis on positive interest.

(I do see some bad use for it)

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Hello all,
Is there a place where one would list a project or projects on the semantic
web.  Or do we just list whatever page happens to be related to the project?
I don't know if the intent of foaf:currentProject is for Web
Designer/Developers to list the clients and jobs they have or have had, or
if there is a different intention for this?
With regard to foaf:img and foaf:depiction, the document I am using for
reference: http://xmlns.com/foaf/spec/
Has all of these listed as testing.  I think this was discussed previously.
Foaf:depiction I would use on a rdf document or inside a foaf:Person tag to
represent the photo that depicts me.  And foaf:img is more generic.
Thanks,
Bruce  

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On 1/29/12 12:26 PM, Melvin Carvalho wrote:
> I think this may have come up before
>
> But a way to express something similar to the ubiquitous facebook like
> or google +1
>
> foaf : likes
>
> Good idea / Bad Idea?
> _______________________________________________
> foaf-dev mailing list
> foaf-dev@...
> http://lists.foaf-project.org/mailman/listinfo/foaf-dev
>
Melvin,

Note:

1. 
http://uriburner.com/describe/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fontologi.es%2Flike%23likes 
-- from Ontologi.es
2.

http://linkeddata.uriburner.com/describe/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fsw.opencyc.org%2Fconcept%2FMx4rwQEn55wpEbGdrcN5Y29ycA 
- OpenCyc

--

-- 

Regards,

On 30 January 2012 02:00, Kingsley Idehen <kidehen@...> wrote:
> On 1/29/12 12:26 PM, Melvin Carvalho wrote:
>>
>> I think this may have come up before
>>
>> But a way to express something similar to the ubiquitous facebook like
>> or google +1
>>
>> foaf : likes
>>
>> Good idea / Bad Idea?
>> _______________________________________________
>> foaf-dev mailing list
>> foaf-dev@...
>> http://lists.foaf-project.org/mailman/listinfo/foaf-dev
>>
> Melvin,
>
> Note:
>
> 1.
> http://uriburner.com/describe/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fontologi.es%2Flike%23likes
> -- from Ontologi.es
> 2.
> http://linkeddata.uriburner.com/describe/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fsw.opencyc.org%2Fconcept%2FMx4rwQEn55wpEbGdrcN5Y29ycA
> - OpenCyc

This is cool.  Seems different views on the like vs likeS term

Remember an agent can be plural, so it's unclear whether you need the S.

On 2/10/12 7:48 AM, Melvin Carvalho wrote:
> On 30 January 2012 02:00, Kingsley Idehen<kidehen@...>  wrote:
>> On 1/29/12 12:26 PM, Melvin Carvalho wrote:
>>> I think this may have come up before
>>>
>>> But a way to express something similar to the ubiquitous facebook like
>>> or google +1
>>>
>>> foaf : likes
>>>
>>> Good idea / Bad Idea?
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> foaf-dev mailing list
>>> foaf-dev@...
>>> http://lists.foaf-project.org/mailman/listinfo/foaf-dev
>>>
>> Melvin,
>>
>> Note:
>>
>> 1.
>> http://uriburner.com/describe/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fontologi.es%2Flike%23likes
>> -- from Ontologi.es
>> 2.
>> http://linkeddata.uriburner.com/describe/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fsw.opencyc.org%2Fconcept%2FMx4rwQEn55wpEbGdrcN5Y29ycA
>> - OpenCyc
> This is cool.  Seems different views on the like vs likeS term
>
> Remember an agent can be plural, so it's unclear whether you need the S.
>

On 10 February 2012 14:06, Kingsley Idehen <kidehen@...> wrote:
> On 2/10/12 7:48 AM, Melvin Carvalho wrote:
>>
>> On 30 January 2012 02:00, Kingsley Idehen<kidehen@...>  wrote:
>>>
>>> On 1/29/12 12:26 PM, Melvin Carvalho wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I think this may have come up before
>>>>
>>>> But a way to express something similar to the ubiquitous facebook like
>>>> or google +1
>>>>
>>>> foaf : likes
>>>>
>>>> Good idea / Bad Idea?
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> foaf-dev mailing list
>>>> foaf-dev@...
>>>> http://lists.foaf-project.org/mailman/listinfo/foaf-dev
>>>>
>>> Melvin,
>>>
>>> Note:
>>>
>>> 1.
>>>
>>> http://uriburner.com/describe/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fontologi.es%2Flike%23likes
>>> -- from Ontologi.es
>>> 2.
>>>

On 2/10/12 8:22 AM, Melvin Carvalho wrote:
> On 10 February 2012 14:06, Kingsley Idehen<kidehen@...>  wrote:
>> On 2/10/12 7:48 AM, Melvin Carvalho wrote:
>>> On 30 January 2012 02:00, Kingsley Idehen<kidehen@...>    wrote:
>>>> On 1/29/12 12:26 PM, Melvin Carvalho wrote:
>>>>> I think this may have come up before
>>>>>
>>>>> But a way to express something similar to the ubiquitous facebook like
>>>>> or google +1
>>>>>
>>>>> foaf : likes
>>>>>
>>>>> Good idea / Bad Idea?
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> foaf-dev mailing list
>>>>> foaf-dev@...
>>>>> http://lists.foaf-project.org/mailman/listinfo/foaf-dev
>>>>>
>>>> Melvin,
>>>>
>>>> Note:
>>>>
>>>> 1.
>>>>
>>>> http://uriburner.com/describe/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fontologi.es%2Flike%23likes
>>>> -- from Ontologi.es
>>>> 2.
>>>>
>>>> http://linkeddata.uriburner.com/describe/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fsw.opencyc.org%2Fconcept%2FMx4rwQEn55wpEbGdrcN5Y29ycA
>>>> - OpenCyc

On 10 February 2012 15:50, Kingsley Idehen <kidehen@...> wrote:
> On 2/10/12 8:22 AM, Melvin Carvalho wrote:
>>
>> On 10 February 2012 14:06, Kingsley Idehen<kidehen@...>  wrote:
>>>
>>> On 2/10/12 7:48 AM, Melvin Carvalho wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On 30 January 2012 02:00, Kingsley Idehen<kidehen@...>
>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> On 1/29/12 12:26 PM, Melvin Carvalho wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think this may have come up before
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But a way to express something similar to the ubiquitous facebook like
>>>>>> or google +1
>>>>>>
>>>>>> foaf : likes
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Good idea / Bad Idea?
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> foaf-dev mailing list
>>>>>> foaf-dev@...
>>>>>> http://lists.foaf-project.org/mailman/listinfo/foaf-dev
>>>>>>
>>>>> Melvin,
>>>>>
>>>>> Note:
>>>>>
>>>>> 1.

On 10 February 2012 16:01, Melvin Carvalho
<melvincarvalho@...> wrote:
> On 10 February 2012 15:50, Kingsley Idehen <kidehen@...> wrote:
>> On 2/10/12 8:22 AM, Melvin Carvalho wrote:
>>>
>>> On 10 February 2012 14:06, Kingsley Idehen<kidehen@...>  wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On 2/10/12 7:48 AM, Melvin Carvalho wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> On 30 January 2012 02:00, Kingsley Idehen<kidehen@...>
>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 1/29/12 12:26 PM, Melvin Carvalho wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I think this may have come up before
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But a way to express something similar to the ubiquitous facebook like
>>>>>>> or google +1
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> foaf : likes
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Good idea / Bad Idea?
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>> foaf-dev mailing list
>>>>>>> foaf-dev@...
>>>>>>> http://lists.foaf-project.org/mailman/listinfo/foaf-dev
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Melvin,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Note:

Excerpts from Melvin Carvalho's message of 2012-02-10 15:01:59 +0000:
> Had this discussion on #swig the other day there's kudosTo but that's binary.
> 
> We can just use:
> 
> http://dbpedia.org/resource/Karma
"Karma in Indian religions is the concept of "action" or "deed", understood as that which causes the entire
cycle of cause and effect (i.e. , the cycle called saṃsāra) originating in ancient India and treated in
Hindu, Jain, Buddhist and Sikh philosophies."

The way I use term 'Karma', doesn't include concept of 'having 5 karma points' ;)

For example, if someone slaughters animals to consume their flesh, this person may gain sympathy from
those who take part in this consumption, but not much from people who don't. Some people may even feel a
negative feeling to such person. In this scenario various actions, cause various effects including way
of relating to each other. All those relations have very subjective and personal nature. I don't even see
it practical to use "elf-pavlik's karma points" and "melvster's karma points" since it still gives very
lossy projection of a relation between 2 human beings...

But without using any points, if at some point somehow a managed to have available ticket for a round trip on
'space elevator', and very likely tons of requests from people who would like to receive such gift. I could
run some personalized algorithms on their public portfolios, and using some sophisticated criteria
choose who to give this ticket. As part of this algorithm I could include voting by people who have friend
relation with me, or do simple filters like: -butchers ;)

~ elf pavlik ~
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On 10 February 2012 16:32, elf Pavlik <perpetual-tripper <at> wwelves.org> wrote:
> Excerpts from Melvin Carvalho's message of 2012-02-10 15:01:59 +0000:
>> Had this discussion on #swig the other day there's kudosTo but that's binary.
>>
>> We can just use:
>>
>> http://dbpedia.org/resource/Karma
> "Karma in Indian religions is the concept of "action" or "deed", understood as that which causes the
entire cycle of cause and effect (i.e. , the cycle called saṃsāra) originating in ancient India and
treated in Hindu, Jain, Buddhist and Sikh philosophies."
>
> The way I use term 'Karma', doesn't include concept of 'having 5 karma points' ;)

Yes well in the indian tradition if you get lots of karma you'll be
reincarnated as something nice

>
> For example, if someone slaughters animals to consume their flesh, this person may gain sympathy from
those who take part in this consumption, but not much from people who don't. Some people may even feel a
negative feeling to such person. In this scenario various actions, cause various effects including way
of relating to each other. All those relations have very subjective and personal nature. I don't even see
it practical to use "elf-pavlik's karma points" and "melvster's karma points" since it still gives very
lossy projection of a relation between 2 human beings...

As you say it's subjective.  We have to eat something to live.  I once
heard it said that vegetarians are just things that cant run away from
them :)

>
> But without using any points, if at some point somehow a managed to have available ticket for a round trip on

Excerpts from Melvin Carvalho's message of 2012-02-10 15:38:00 +0000:
> On 10 February 2012 16:32, elf Pavlik <perpetual-tripper <at> wwelves.org> wrote:
> > Excerpts from Melvin Carvalho's message of 2012-02-10 15:01:59 +0000:
> >> Had this discussion on #swig the other day there's kudosTo but that's binary.
> >>
> >> We can just use:
> >>
> >> http://dbpedia.org/resource/Karma
> > "Karma in Indian religions is the concept of "action" or "deed", understood as that which causes the
entire cycle of cause and effect (i.e. , the cycle called saṃsāra) originating in ancient India and
treated in Hindu, Jain, Buddhist and Sikh philosophies."
> >
> > The way I use term 'Karma', doesn't include concept of 'having 5 karma points' ;)
> 
> Yes well in the indian tradition if you get lots of karma you'll be
> reincarnated as something nice
hmmmm.... I guess we see this term in quite different way. For me we don't *have* 'lots of' or 'little' of
karma. Rather we *put ourselves* in various 'karmic relations' with other... let's say 'agents'
about our visions of reincarnation we could chat sometimes but maybe off the thread ;)

more than 'karma points' i would like to use 'kudos from elf-pavlik' or 'kudos from melvster' etc. and i
wouldn't look for 'exchange reates' here!
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On 2/10/12 10:32 AM, elf Pavlik wrote:
> All those relations have very subjective and personal nature. I don't even see it practical to use
"elf-pavlik's karma points" and "melvster's karma points" since it still gives very lossy projection of
a relation between 2 human beings...

Hence the magic of inference and context in a realm comprised of Linked 
Data 

Handling context fluidity is a critical feature that OWL ultimately 
delivers to Linked Data exploitation.

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On 10 February 2012 16:49, Kingsley Idehen <kidehen@...> wrote:
> On 2/10/12 10:32 AM, elf Pavlik wrote:
>>
>> All those relations have very subjective and personal nature. I don't even
>> see it practical to use "elf-pavlik's karma points" and "melvster's karma
>> points" since it still gives very lossy projection of a relation between 2
>> human beings...
>
>
> Hence the magic of inference and context in a realm comprised of Linked Data
> 
>
> Handling context fluidity is a critical feature that OWL ultimately delivers
> to Linked Data exploitation.

It's rare to hear OWL accused of contextual fluidity! Can you give a
quick worked example?

Dan

On 2/10/12 10:50 AM, Dan Brickley wrote:
> On 10 February 2012 16:49, Kingsley Idehen<kidehen@...>  wrote:
>> On 2/10/12 10:32 AM, elf Pavlik wrote:
>>> All those relations have very subjective and personal nature. I don't even
>>> see it practical to use "elf-pavlik's karma points" and "melvster's karma
>>> points" since it still gives very lossy projection of a relation between 2
>>> human beings...
>>
>> Hence the magic of inference and context in a realm comprised of Linked Data
>> 
>>
>> Handling context fluidity is a critical feature that OWL ultimately delivers
>> to Linked Data exploitation.
> It's rare to hear OWL accused of contextual fluidity! Can you give a
> quick worked example?
>
> Dan
>

I am saying: OWL enables one tackle context fluidity.

Example (based on Pavliks sacrifice analogy): my profile could enable 
karma to be "+" if I am a carnivore at a barbecue etc. 

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On 10 February 2012 18:49, Reto Bachmann-Gmür <reto@...> wrote:
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 1:48 PM, Melvin Carvalho <melvincarvalho@...m>
> wrote:
>>
>> Seems different views on the like vs likeS term
>>
>>
>> Remember an agent can be plural, so it's unclear whether you need the S.
>
>
> An agent can be a group, it is still a singular Agent ("The club likes
> playing here")

But also plural

Programmers "like" tea

>
> Reto

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