Enlightenment X Window Manager

Ben Rockwood | 2 Aug 2004 11:07

[E-devel] Asparagus Gets its first press... and an idea.

As several people pointed out today, OSNews has reported Asparagus.
(BTW, if you come to LW, ask Raster how he chose the name, it's a great 
story.)

The story can be found here: http://osnews.com/story.php?news_id=7888

As usual, the user comments are fast, furious, and unbelievably stupidly 
f**king moronic. Apparently there are a large number of folks who STILL 
sit around trolling google for news of E so they can spew their baggage, 
which is interesting because they obviously haven't used E for 4+ years.

Anyway.  This arguably means that /. isn't far off from a report, namely 
due to overwhelming support from Rob (aka: CmdrTaco).  I've done the 
best I can to make the E site clear that we are made up of 3 diffrent 
projects, and that we're about (and have always been about) more than 
just a Window Manager (think about GNOMEs dependancy on Imlib untill 
GNOME 2.0).   But I digress.

Something that might be interesting would be for a bunch of us to each 
pick 1 or 2 really stupid irritating user comments, respond to them, and 
then make a page outta it.  That in and of itself might get some press 
to help perminantly dim (if even just alittle) the noisy idiots. 

Anyone wanna give it a shot?  Doesn't seem like we have much to loose.  
I suppose the only restriction is that we should make the responces as 
generic and polite as possible, so as not to invite more morons to the frey.

My persona fav is:
" All I have to say about Enlightenment is that it's unusable. Visual 
Usability is really thrown out of the window in favor of eye candy. Now,

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Nick Blievers | 3 Aug 2004 00:31

Re: [E-devel] Asparagus Gets its first press... and an idea.

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> Insidently, this comment was made by the Editor-in-Cheif of OSNews 
> (Eugina).  The wonderful thing about this comment is that I think most 
> of us would agree that DR16 (obviously what she refers to) the thing 
> that really keeps you running E isn't the eye candy but the easy of 
> interaction and simple yet powerful management in the real world!  
> Really, she's got it all completely backwards.  When these people say 
> "it's not like GNOME/KDE" in terms of feel/functionality, I think they 
> really mean "It's not as restrictive as Win32".  We offer everything you 
> could want and more.  These sorts posts are just amazingly daft, and I 
> wish we could find a way to stomp this stuff out.

There is really no helping some people... ! :P

For the record, the reason I use e is cause its NOT like Win32... this attitude within the Linux
community that something isn't user friendly unless its like windows really sucks (actually, maybe
its not somuch WITHIN the linux community). And, ironically, eye-candy or not, e is by far lighter
than GNOME/KDE!

So yeah, preaching to the converted as someone else said... keep up the good work everyone! 

Nick

PS Looking forward to seeing some IRIX packages 

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    I liked things better when I didn't understand them.
		  -- Calvin

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Alan Schmitt | 2 Aug 2004 11:53

Re: [E-devel] Asparagus Gets its first press... and an idea.

* Ben Rockwood (benr <at> cuddletech.com) wrote:
> 
> My persona fav is:
> " All I have to say about Enlightenment is that it's unusable. Visual 
> Usability is really thrown out of the window in favor of eye candy. Now, 
> if the target of these developers is to simply research the "coolness" 
> of things, then E is a great, fun project. If their target is real life 
> end users though, E --the way it looks and behaves today-- is useless. "
> 
> Insidently, this comment was made by the Editor-in-Cheif of OSNews 
> (Eugina).  The wonderful thing about this comment is that I think most 
> of us would agree that DR16 (obviously what she refers to) the thing 
> that really keeps you running E isn't the eye candy but the easy of 
> interaction and simple yet powerful management in the real world!  
> Really, she's got it all completely backwards.  When these people say 
> "it's not like GNOME/KDE" in terms of feel/functionality, I think they 
> really mean "It's not as restrictive as Win32".  We offer everything you 
> could want and more.  These sorts posts are just amazingly daft, and I 
> wish we could find a way to stomp this stuff out.

This is a very interesting comment, and somehow it seems to be 
characteristic of something that is deeply ingrained in the common 
psyche.  We somehow need to send the message that the great thing about 
E is that you choose how much eye candy you want (and one can get a lot 
of cool looking things), without sacrificing any usability (one thing I 
love about E is the number of common actions I can do without using the 
mouse).

The problem is that my crispy-looking winter-based non-sexy desktop 
(consisting of a gkrellm with either some Eterm running mutt, a big gvim

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Linux | 2 Aug 2004 22:28

Re: [E-devel] Asparagus Gets its first press... and an idea.

On Mon, 2 Aug 2004 11:53:32 +0200
Alan Schmitt <alan.schmitt <at> polytechnique.org> wrote the words:

> * Ben Rockwood (benr <at> cuddletech.com) wrote:
> > 
> > My persona fav is:
> > " All I have to say about Enlightenment is that it's unusable.
> > Visual Usability is really thrown out of the window in favor of eye
> > candy. Now, if the target of these developers is to simply research
> > the "coolness" of things, then E is a great, fun project. If their
> > target is real life end users though, E --the way it looks and
> > behaves today-- is useless. "
> > 
> > Insidently, this comment was made by the Editor-in-Cheif of OSNews 
> > (Eugina).  The wonderful thing about this comment is that I think
> > most of us would agree that DR16 (obviously what she refers to) the
> > thing that really keeps you running E isn't the eye candy but the
> > easy of interaction and simple yet powerful management in the real
> > world!  Really, she's got it all completely backwards.  When these
> > people say "it's not like GNOME/KDE" in terms of feel/functionality,
> > I think they really mean "It's not as restrictive as Win32".  We
> > offer everything you could want and more.  These sorts posts are
> > just amazingly daft, and I wish we could find a way to stomp this
> > stuff out.
> 
> This is a very interesting comment, and somehow it seems to be 
> characteristic of something that is deeply ingrained in the common 
> psyche.  We somehow need to send the message that the great thing
> about E is that you choose how much eye candy you want (and one can
> get a lot of cool looking things), without sacrificing any usability

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