fantasai | 13 Nov 2010 08:24

Status?

So, I just set up a fresh, clean install of my OS and I'm now
looking to install missing critical software. Which brings me
to Ion3, and you all.

The most up-to-date information I could find was on Wikipedia,
which points me at:
   tuomov's archives: http://tuomov.iki.fi/software
   the Notion fork:   http://notion.sourceforge.net/
   the Anion fork:    http://code.google.com/p/anion3/

What should I be installing? And why are there two forks?

~fantasai

Thomas Themel | 13 Nov 2010 09:47
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Re: Status?

Hi,
Excerpts from fantasai's message of Sat Nov 13 08:24:58 +0100 2010:
>    tuomov's archives: http://tuomov.iki.fi/software
>    the Notion fork:   http://notion.sourceforge.net/
>    the Anion fork:    http://code.google.com/p/anion3/
> 
> What should I be installing? And why are there two forks?

Looking at notion's repo, it has exactly one commit, the initial checkin, so
it's just a copy of ion (without the history). It was useful back when tuomov
had withdrawn all the archives and there was no way to get the source, but now
I think we'd be better off it it went away and stopped confusing people.

Haven't tried anion, I'm still running off a local copy of ion-3plus's darcs
repo from back when tuomov was still hosting it.

ciao,
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Sergej Pupykin | 13 Nov 2010 10:25
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Re: Status?

> >    tuomov's archives: http://tuomov.iki.fi/software
> >    the Notion fork:   http://notion.sourceforge.net/
> >    the Anion fork:    http://code.google.com/p/anion3/
> > 
> > What should I be installing? And why are there two forks?

Anion project is ion3+ copy with Xft patch, which can be switched on
or off while compiling.

Also this project contains ion3 archives and riot fixed for latest
ghc.

Sergej Pupykin | 13 Nov 2010 10:28
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Re: Status?

At Sat, 13 Nov 2010 12:25:31 +0300,
Sergej Pupykin <ml@...> wrote:
> Anion project is ion3+ copy with Xft patch, which can be switched on
> or off while compiling.

Also it contains additional modules (xkb, xinerama, xrandr)

fantasai | 13 Nov 2010 19:18

Re: Status?

On 11/13/2010 01:28 AM, Sergej Pupykin wrote:
> At Sat, 13 Nov 2010 12:25:31 +0300,
> Sergej Pupykin<ml@...>  wrote:
>> Anion project is ion3+ copy with Xft patch, which can be switched on
>> or off while compiling.
>
> Also it contains additional modules (xkb, xinerama, xrandr)

Would it be possible to merge with Notion, or are there strong
philosophical or architectural differences here?

I'm concerned that forking the code in two different directions
will lead to
   a) confusion for everyone
   b) bugfixes of one not going into the other

I would prefer if Notion and Anion provided different make
configurations to provide their different feature sets (if
that's wanted), rather than forking the base, which would
benefit from having both developers maintain it together.

~fantasai

Arnout Engelen | 13 Nov 2010 11:44

Re: Status?

On Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 09:47:57AM +0100, Thomas Themel wrote:
> Excerpts from fantasai's message of Sat Nov 13 08:24:58 +0100 2010:
> >    tuomov's archives: http://tuomov.iki.fi/software
> >    the Notion fork:   http://notion.sourceforge.net/
> >    the Anion fork:    http://code.google.com/p/anion3/
> > 
> > What should I be installing? And why are there two forks?

I was wondering about the same thing a while ago. While at that point notion
had little code, anion had been stalled for a good while also and notion 
seemed much more active in terms of community interest and discussion.

Aside from the mailinglist, there is a #notion IRC channel - not very active,
but not completely dead either.

> Looking at notion's repo, it has exactly one commit, the initial checkin, so
> it's just a copy of ion (without the history). 

Uh, what repository are you looking at?

The notion repo is can be found at sourceforge git, 
http://notion.git.sourceforge.net/git/gitweb.cgi?p=notion/notion;a=summary

It has the full ion history, some patches, and I actually checked in a bugfix
just 2 days ago.

Kind regards,

Arnout

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Thomas Themel | 13 Nov 2010 11:55
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Re: Status?

Hi,
Excerpts from Arnout Engelen's message of Sat Nov 13 11:44:11 +0100 2010:
> > Looking at notion's repo, it has exactly one commit, the initial checkin, so
> > it's just a copy of ion (without the history). 
> 
> Uh, what repository are you looking at?
> 
> The notion repo is can be found at sourceforge git, 
> http://notion.git.sourceforge.net/git/gitweb.cgi?p=notion/notion;a=summary
> 
> It has the full ion history, some patches, and I actually checked in a bugfix
> just 2 days ago.

Erm, sorry for badmouthing the project then - I based my comments on 

http://code.google.com/p/notion/

which is quite dead, I had no idea there's a fairly active SourceForge project
of the same name.

ciao,
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Arnout Engelen | 13 Nov 2010 12:07

Re: Status?

On Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 11:55:15AM +0100, Thomas Themel wrote:
> Excerpts from Arnout Engelen's message of Sat Nov 13 11:44:11 +0100 2010:
> > > Looking at notion's repo, it has exactly one commit, the initial checkin
> > > so it's just a copy of ion (without the history). 
> > 
> > Uh, what repository are you looking at?
> > 
> > The notion repo is can be found at sourceforge git, 
> > http://notion.git.sourceforge.net/git/gitweb.cgi?p=notion/notion;a=summary
> > 
> > It has the full ion history, some patches, and I actually checked in a 
> > bugfix just 2 days ago.
> 
> Erm, sorry for badmouthing the project then - I based my comments on 
> 
> http://code.google.com/p/notion/
> 
> which is quite dead, I had no idea there's a fairly active SourceForge project
> of the same name.

No problem - I'll try and see if i can get hold of the google code project 
owner. 

(I never saw this project before - I'm not even sure it's the same 'notion', as
I don't see any code or information in that project at all...)

Kind regards,

Arnout

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