Samuel R. Delany

Ray Davis | 7 May 2003 01:27

Re: Vinyl

--- In delany-list <at> yahoogroups.com, Steve M <lists <at> m...> wrote:
> Indeed, serious fetishists will wear rubber/latex, not vinyl.
> 
> Vinyl has always kind of had that tacky, cheesy aspect to it (think 
> of the vinyl miniskirts in "A Clockwork Orange")

To avoid confusion from my first message, I hasten to agree with this
one. Vinyl is a cheap replacement for leather, but it seems even more
inadequate as a replacement for latex.

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Maurizio Nati | 10 May 2003 10:16

Last questions

At p. 55 (beginning of part II), I find: *Here I am and am no I. This circle
in all, this change changing in winterless, a dawn circle with an image of,
an autumn change with a change of mist*.
There at least one part of the phrase which is not complete (with an image
of), perhaps another one (changing in winterless, if winterless is used as
an adjective).
Now, I think this is not a typo. Delany wanted to write it like that.
How do you axplain this?

bye
Maurizio Nati

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Steve M | 7 May 2003 00:26

Re: Vinyl

At 1:45 PM -0400 5/6/03, Ron Henry wrote:
>Around 12:39 PM 5/6/2003, delany-list <at> yahoogroups.com wrote,
>
>>What are exactly these *vinyl vests* the scorpions wear? I mean, vinyl is a
>>kind of plastic, used for instance for 33's LP, but I think it's also a kind
>>of fabric, is it? Is it a garment used by the gangs? Has it anythying to do
>>with the fetish/gay world?
>
>Yeah, it's a (usually black) vest made of shiny plastic material (not
>really fabric, as it's not woven, more like thin flexible plastic).  I'm
>not sure what the connotations were in the early 70s of vinyl versus
>leather vests, though a semi-educated guess would be that the leather vests
>are more in the style of bikers and vinyl more in the line of "cool dudes"
>in the city. Both certainly can cross over to fetish clothing, of course,
>for those so inclined. As a quick google will show you, most vinyl vests
>today are tacky "sexy" garments (well, unless they're orange, and then they
>are used for safety by road construction crews.
>
>
>Ron

Indeed, serious fetishists will wear rubber/latex, not vinyl.

Vinyl has always kind of had that tacky, cheesy aspect to it (think 
of the vinyl miniskirts in "A Clockwork Orange")

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