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IETF tools list issues (was: Errata)

Hi, something with the IETF Tools list doesn't work.

GMaNe used to be subscribed as whatever <at> gmane.org,
and that worked at least until 2008-07-08:
<http://article.gmane.org/gmane.ietf.tools/1109/raw>

GMaNe identified this mail injected via GMaNe as spam.
That's kind of odd, if it's really spam, why forward
it to the list ?  The score says:

| X-Spam-Report: 5.5 points;
| * -0.0 SPF_HELO_PASS SPF: HELO matches SPF record
| * -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record
| *  2.5 UNIQUE_WORDS BODY: Message body has many words used only once
| *  0.4 DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE RBL: Envelope sender in abuse.rfc-ignorant.org
| *  1.4 DNS_FROM_RFC_POST RBL: Envelope sender in postmaster.rfc-ignorant.org
| *  1.2 PRIORITY_NO_NAME Message has priority, but no X-Mailer/User-Agent

Unfortunately the IETF is listed as postmaster and
abuse ignorant since 2008-02-22, I didn't know that.

That my UA has no X-Mailer/User-Agent is IMO a bogey:

When posting via GMaNe the UA is a "Newsreader", and
it has a X-Newsreader, as "specified" in the NetNews
RFC (actually as "deprecated", and this RFC is still
waiting for its number, but that's another story. 

I've reported this "spam" as "unspam" while checking
something else:

(Continue reading)

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Frank Ellermann | 19 Jul 19:00

Re: IETF tools list issues (was: Errata)

Update:

The RFC-I issue was fixed (ietf.org unlisted),
talking about 667 RFC numbers should not more
trigger GMaNe's spam filter.  

In a discussion with an ietf.org list admin
we concluded that GMaNe changing its address
to an unsubscribed address was a glitch not
requiring special workarounds on their side.

Potential things to do on GMaNe's side:
* fix the IETF Tools list subscription, i.e.
  either use the old subscribed address, or
  subscribe the new address
* maybe detect the format of challenges for
  unsubscribed addresses, but I fear that
  could make such obscure issues worse
* accept X-Newsreader as good UA header like
  X-Mailer in the spam score
* maybe detect articles injected via GMaNe,
  and don't flag them as spam automatically

 Frank

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Duncan | 20 Jul 13:09

Re: IETF tools list issues (was: Errata)

"Frank Ellermann" <hmdmhdfmhdjmzdtjmzdtzktdkztdjz <at> gmail.com> posted
g5t6j2$k45$1 <at> ger.gmane.org, excerpted below, on  Sat, 19 Jul 2008 19:00:43
+0200:

> Potential things to do on GMaNe's side: [snip]
> * accept X-Newsreader as good UA header like
>   X-Mailer in the spam score

This one would appear self-evident for something like gmane.
How'd it get this far without it, unless perhaps the UA/priority
scoring thing is new?

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Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen | 23 Jul 05:42

Re: IETF tools list issues

Duncan <1i5t5.duncan <at> cox.net> writes:

> This one would appear self-evident for something like gmane.
> How'd it get this far without it, unless perhaps the UA/priority
> scoring thing is new?

I use a stock, unpatched version of SpamAssassin.  Whatever they think
is spam is what I think is spam.

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