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Keshav Kini | 4 Jun 2012 22:22
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Adding groups en masse

Hello,

As I notice a Gmane admin has been active on this list recently, I
decided it might be a good time to ask this ;)

We have more than a dozen Google Groups mailing lists that we would like
to add to Gmane, all with similar options and similar descriptions /
URLs. I guess it might be easier for the admins (and me) if I just
provide a big list here instead of doing separate subscriptions for each
one of the lists.

So, can you please subscribe the following groups?

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Google Groups name               Desired Gmane name
-------------------------------- ----------------------------------------
lmonade-devel                    gmane.comp.mathematics.lmonade
sage-algebra                     gmane.comp.mathematics.sage.algebra
sage-announce                    gmane.comp.mathematics.sage.announce
sage-combinat-commits            gmane.comp.mathematics.sage.combinat.cvs
sage-finance                     gmane.comp.mathematics.sage.finance
sage-flame                       gmane.comp.mathematics.sage.flame
sage-git                         gmane.comp.mathematics.sage.git
sage-grid                        gmane.comp.mathematics.sage.grid
sage-gsoc                        gmane.comp.mathematics.sage.gsoc
sage-marketing                   gmane.comp.mathematics.sage.marketing
sage-matroid                     gmane.comp.mathematics.sage.matroid
sage-notebook                    gmaen.comp.mathematics.sage.notebook
sage-nt                          gmane.comp.mathematics.sage.nt
sage-padics                      gmane.comp.mathematics.sage.padics
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Keshav Kini | 4 Jun 2012 22:23
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Re: Adding groups en masse


Yikes! I sent this prematurely, it is missing a lot of information!
Sorry about that!

-Keshav
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Keshav Kini | 4 Jun 2012 22:39
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Re: Adding groups en masse

Keshav Kini <keshav.kini <at> gmail.com> writes:
> Hello,
>
> As I notice a Gmane admin has been active on this list recently, I
> decided it might be a good time to ask this ;)
>
> We have more than a dozen Google Groups mailing lists that we would like
> to add to Gmane, all with similar options and similar descriptions /
> URLs. I guess it might be easier for the admins (and me) if I just
> provide a big list here instead of doing separate subscriptions for each
> one of the lists.
>
> So, can you please subscribe the following groups?
>
> -------------------------------- ----------------------------------------
> Google Groups name               Desired Gmane name
> -------------------------------- ----------------------------------------
> lmonade-devel                    gmane.comp.mathematics.lmonade
> sage-algebra                     gmane.comp.mathematics.sage.algebra
> sage-announce                    gmane.comp.mathematics.sage.announce
> sage-combinat-commits            gmane.comp.mathematics.sage.combinat.cvs
> sage-finance                     gmane.comp.mathematics.sage.finance
> sage-flame                       gmane.comp.mathematics.sage.flame
> sage-git                         gmane.comp.mathematics.sage.git
> sage-grid                        gmane.comp.mathematics.sage.grid
> sage-gsoc                        gmane.comp.mathematics.sage.gsoc
> sage-marketing                   gmane.comp.mathematics.sage.marketing
> sage-matroid                     gmane.comp.mathematics.sage.matroid
> sage-notebook                    gmaen.comp.mathematics.sage.notebook
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Keshav Kini | 10 Jul 2012 10:43
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Re: Adding groups en masse

Keshav Kini <keshav.kini <at> gmail.com> writes:
> Keshav Kini <keshav.kini <at> gmail.com> writes:
>> Hello,
>>
>> As I notice a Gmane admin has been active on this list recently, I
>> decided it might be a good time to ask this ;)
>>
>> We have more than a dozen Google Groups mailing lists that we would like
>> to add to Gmane, all with similar options and similar descriptions /
>> URLs. I guess it might be easier for the admins (and me) if I just
>> provide a big list here instead of doing separate subscriptions for each
>> one of the lists.
>>
>> So, can you please subscribe the following groups?

For the record, I've just now sent subscription requests for all these
groups through the web interface.

Thanks,
    Keshav
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Adam Sjøgren | 5 Jun 2012 20:28
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Re: Adding groups en masse

On Mon, 04 Jun 2012 13:22:59 -0700, Keshav wrote:

> I guess it might be easier for the admins (and me) if I just provide a
> big list here instead of doing separate subscriptions for each one of
> the lists.

Not using the usual way is actually _more_ work for an admin.

  Best regards,

    Adam

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Keshav Kini | 5 Jun 2012 20:37
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Re: Adding groups en masse

asjo <at> koldfront.dk (Adam Sjøgren) writes:
> On Mon, 04 Jun 2012 13:22:59 -0700, Keshav wrote:
>
>> I guess it might be easier for the admins (and me) if I just provide a
>> big list here instead of doing separate subscriptions for each one of
>> the lists.
>
> Not using the usual way is actually _more_ work for an admin.

OK, I wasn't sure. I'll input this data via the website then. My
mistake!

If I may ask one favor, though, which is not covered by the form on the
website: among the groups I mentioned, the group "sage-notebook" was
supposedly already registered in Gmane but is not receiving any mail.
The admins of the google group cannot find any subscription request from
Gmane, which would explain that. Would it be possible to resend Gmane's
subscription request to the group "sage-notebook"?

Thank you for all your work!

-Keshav
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Adam Sjøgren | 5 Jun 2012 21:19
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On Tue, 05 Jun 2012 11:37:53 -0700, Keshav wrote:

> OK, I wasn't sure. I'll input this data via the website then. My
> mistake!

No worries - the system used by the admins makes it easiest to handle
requests that come through the website :-)

> If I may ask one favor, though, which is not covered by the form on the
> website: among the groups I mentioned, the group "sage-notebook" was
> supposedly already registered in Gmane but is not receiving any mail.
> The admins of the google group cannot find any subscription request from
> Gmane, which would explain that. Would it be possible to resend Gmane's
> subscription request to the group "sage-notebook"?

Google Groups have notoriously been working great, then not working,
then working sometimes, then working great again.

Let me just try sending a subscription request...

Ok - I got a reply from Google Groups that "sage-notebook requires owner
approval for join requests."

  Best regards,

    Adam

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Keshav Kini | 6 Jun 2012 05:59
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Re: Adding groups en masse

asjo <at> koldfront.dk (Adam Sjøgren) writes:
>> If I may ask one favor, though, which is not covered by the form on the
>> website: among the groups I mentioned, the group "sage-notebook" was
>> supposedly already registered in Gmane but is not receiving any mail.
>> The admins of the google group cannot find any subscription request from
>> Gmane, which would explain that. Would it be possible to resend Gmane's
>> subscription request to the group "sage-notebook"?
>
> Google Groups have notoriously been working great, then not working,
> then working sometimes, then working great again.
>
> Let me just try sending a subscription request...
>
> Ok - I got a reply from Google Groups that "sage-notebook requires owner
> approval for join requests."

OK, so does this usually mean the admin of our group should see a
subscription request from Gmane? Or does it mean that Gmane gave up
subscribing because the Google Group had this restriction?

I have sent a message to the group asking the admin to check for a
message from Gmane - now to wait and see if one arrived.

Thanks for checking it out for me!

-Keshav
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Keshav Kini | 6 Jun 2012 08:54
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Keshav Kini <keshav.kini <at> gmail.com> writes:
> I have sent a message to the group asking the admin to check for a
> message from Gmane - now to wait and see if one arrived.

The list admin says:
> On Wednesday, June 6, 2012 5:47:25 AM UTC+2, Keshav Kini wrote:
>> Admins of this group, please check the subscription backlog! Is there
>> anything there?
>
> Well, it doesn't look like it is. requests are either granted
> immediately or deleted. It would be much better if they tell you their
> email address. Then we can add it directly.

There is an anti-spam question that new users must answer which I guess
Gmane's logic ignored, and was thus autodenied... So, can we know the
email address that Gmane used to subscribe to the list? Would it use the
same email address for any other lists that we get Gmane to subscribe to
in the future? (I guess we should only add Gmane's email address to the
members of a Google Group after confirming that it is ready to receive
messages - i.e. after I get an email telling me so, like I did for
sage-notebook some months ago.)

-Keshav
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Steinar Bang | 6 Jun 2012 10:02
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Re: Adding groups en masse

>>>>> Keshav Kini <keshav.kini <at> gmail.com>:

> ... Would it use the same email address for any other lists that we
> get Gmane to subscribe to in the future?

I don't think so.  I believe it uses an unique subscription address for
each subscribed mailing list.
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Duncan | 6 Jun 2012 14:07
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Steinar Bang posted on Wed, 06 Jun 2012 10:02:53 +0200 as excerpted:

>>>>>> Keshav Kini <keshav.kini <at> gmail.com>:
> 
>> ... Would it use the same email address for any other lists that we get
>> Gmane to subscribe to in the future?
> 
> I don't think so.  I believe it uses an unique subscription address for
> each subscribed mailing list.

Just a gmane user here, but based on past discussions here on 
gmane.discuss, that is indeed the case.  I believe I've seen the 
subscription email address posted in several cases while they were 
debugging, and IIRC they were of a form similar to
gmane.whatever.group+somenumber <at> gmane.org , which is obviously group 
specific, plus what appeared to be either a try-number or a small-
magnitude random number.

(I'm going from memory and that's unlikely to be the specific format 
used, thus the "similar to".  I just remember seeing the two elements and 
thinking "Hmm.  That's interesting.  Seems reasonable.")

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Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen | 8 Jun 2012 01:38
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Keshav Kini <keshav.kini <at> gmail.com> writes:

>> Ok - I got a reply from Google Groups that "sage-notebook requires owner
>> approval for join requests."
>
> OK, so does this usually mean the admin of our group should see a
> subscription request from Gmane?

Yes.  At least, I think that's what Google Groups does with these
requests, but it's Google, so who knows?  :-)

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